The Far Side of the Lounge

[Marvolo]

I loved the whole airport sequence. *shrugs*

I disagree, respectfully. I found him kind of obnoxious and Jar Jar Binksish in his constant attempts at humour. I had a lot of problems with that scene too, two thirds of the characters showing up to fight without any kind of personal investment (Seriously Hawkeye shows up out of boredom, that's flat out awful writing) made it more of an action figure commercial than something with any kind of substance to it. The Cap/Bucky against Iron Man fight at the end was way, way better.

The airport fight is hella fun, but it's also kind of just "there". It's shoved in as fan service and is basically this giant detour from the actual plot where we're gonna throw every character in this movie into a fight just because we can.

The stairwell fight and subsequent car tunnel chase with Cap/Bucky/Panther and the climactic Cap/Bucky vs. Iron Man fight are a lot more exciting to me, because they actually mean something besides just spectacle.

Hawkeye's reason worked for me. I assumed Scott was just there because Falcon tracked him and he was happy to be recruited rather than persecuted for breaking into their HQ. He also seems to be a Cap fanboy, as are many people in this universe, so there's that. Spidey was there because he wanted to impress Tony Stark, whom he clearly idolizes.

I have no problem with these motivations. They weren't being recruited for a "war," they were being recruited to help out with a thing. It was a skirmish, nothing more. No end of the world, character-defining stakes were needed at the time. Like they said, that wasn't the "real" fight.

The airport scene got them from point A to point B, got Tony to have his massive wake-up call after what happened to Rhodey, so it served enough purpose (within the story) for me. Of course it was conceived as fan-service, as the ENTIRE CONCEPT of superheroes fighting each other was. If you have a problem with that, then there's no point in seeing a movie about superheroes fighting each other, lol.


Pretty sure the whole point was to avoid having to kill each other. They were trying to force the other side to give up. That's how some fights work.

I posted this in the "Describe a member with a gif" thread, but it sums up my feelings about the scene and that whole stupid film:

My reaction to Captain America Civil War:

Seriously. Cap says there are [BLACKOUT]5 Winter Soldiers in Siberia[/BLACKOUT] and that a guy wants to use them and Stark ignores it and proceeds to destroy an airport in an attempt to stop Cap from stopping the guy from getting [BLACKOUT]the Winter Soldiers.[/BLACKOUT]

And Tony's reasoning for agreeing to the accords is nonsensical. A dead kid. A kid that would definitely have died along with the rest of the planet if the Avengers hadn't went to Sakovia to stop Ultron. A kid that would have most likely died even if the Avengers had had oversight during their battle in Sakovia. General Ross's little video showing the destruction in New York and Sakovia is also nonsense because it conveniently glosses over the fact that had the Avengers not fought in New York earth would be enslaved, at the very least New York would have been nuked. A nuke that was launched by an oversight committee. Had the avengers not fought in Sakovia the planet would have been wrecked by Ultron's homemade asteroid bomb. And oversight wouldn't have changed the outcome of either battle.

Oversight is reasonable, but the motivations and the reasoning the Russo's used in the film are God awful.

So no Tony, Ross, and the Russo's can take that dumb reasoning and that dumb forced plot and go home.

 

[flickchick85]

And Tony's reasoning for agreeing to the accords is nonsensical. A dead kid. A kid that would definitely have died along with the rest of the planet if the Avengers hadn't went to Sakovia to stop Ultron. A kid that would have most likely died even if the Avengers had had oversight during their battle in Sakovia. General Ross's little video showing the destruction in New York and Sakovia is also nonsense because it conveniently glosses over the fact that had the Avengers not fought in New York earth would be enslaved, at the very least New York would have been nuked. A nuke that was launched by an oversight committee. Had the avengersnot fought in Sakovia the planet would have been wrecked by Ultron's homemade asteroid bomb.

You're right, it's not Tony's fault the people of Sokovia were in danger and that kid died, it's whoever created Ultron's fault. Oh wait.

 

[C. Lee]

Hawkeye showed up because he felt he owed Wanda a debt.

Glad to see someone gets it.

 

[flickchick85]

I'm really impressed by the production values in Spartacus so far.

 

[Marvolo]

You're right, it's not Tony's fault the people of Sokovia were in danger and that kid died, it's whoever created Ultron's fault. Oh wait.

But he doesn't blame it on him creating Ultron. He blames it on them "dropping a building on him while we were kicking ass." He acts like they were being reckless in Sakovia got the kid killed. And Ross's little video reinforces this nonsense when it shows the Avengers battling in New York and Sakovia and Lagos.

The idea of Oversight in Civil War is framed around the question of when should the Avengers engage in hostile situations. Not when or if Tony should engage in science projects. If the film had framed his motivation around Ultron and controlling Tony's personal projects that would have been reasonable. Tony does absolutely need to be watched and controlled. But the film doesn't do that. It's all about them battling rogue elements without Oversight approval. That is the crux of the issue in the film.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'm really impressed by the production values in Spartacus so far.

It's an incredibly beautiful film.

 

[flickchick85]

But he doesn't blame it on him creating Ultron. He blames it on them "dropping a building on him while we were kicking ass." He acts like they were being reckless in Sakovia got the kid killed. And Ross's little video reinforces this nonsense when it shows the Avengers battling in New York and Sakovia and Lagos.

The idea of Oversight in Civil War is framed around the question of when should the Avengers engage in hostile situations. Not when or if Tony should engage in science projects. If the film had framed his motivation around Ultron and controlling Tony's personal projects that would have been reasonable. Tony does absolutely need to be watched and controlled. But the film doesn't do that. It's all about them battling rogue elements without Oversight approval. That is the crux of the issue in the film.

I'm just saying where Tony's guilt stems from. ANY way you slice it, from any direction, Sokovia comes back to him. So of course he feels guilty about it.

But yes, Ross/The Accords are talking about the Avengers engagement whenever a threat arises, which, when you unleash something as destructive and occasionally uncontrollable as the Hulk (or now seemingly Wanda) on a volatile situation, it makes sense to me that the governments of the world would want to call their methods into question and try to assert some control.

 

[Web-Head]

Civil War hate?

 

[Guts]

Civil War hate?

Well it wasn't really a great war. Now World War 1 was a great war.

 

[Reek]

********

 

[Web-Head]

Well it wasn't really a great war. Now World War 1 was a great war.

 

[Schlosser85]

Spartacus is the best of the old Roman epics, IMO.

Laurence Olivier's Crassus is such a great villain too.

 

[Guts]

Aragorn is one of the most badass homeless men depicted on film.

 

[dude stannis]

Civil War hate?

Yeah, take that attitude back to 2008 buddy.

 

[Web-Head]

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Not really and in all honestly, I'd say it's a little overrated. I can see people having problems with the movie but some, if not all, the problems are easily answered IMO.

 

[dude stannis]

Aragorn is one of the most badass homeless men depicted on film.

Luke Wright would **** him up.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Spoiler

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[flickchick85]

Laurence Olivier's Crassus is such a great villain too.

Yeah, I really like this character.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah, I really like this character.

Did you watch the restored version with the inserted scenes where Anthony Hopkins' voice was subbed in for Olivier because of course, he had passed away before the restoration?

 

[Guts]

Luke Wright would **** him up.

He can be added to the list of badass homeless.

 

[dude stannis]

He can be added to the list of badass homeless.

Now I feel like an idiot because George Nada is definitely the greatest hobo. But I will add one more:

 

[Reek]

Now I feel like an idiot because George Nada is definitely the greatest hobo. But I will add one more:

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

He can be added to the list of badass homeless.

Add in:

and you got yourself a VLA, Vagrant League of Avengers.

 

[Guts]

I just remembered. Spawn also counts, he does live in an alley.

 

[Reek]