THE FLASH - 2016 can't get here fast enough!

After getting burned and burned and burned by movies like Catwoman, Jonah Hex, and Green Lantern, I can't pretend that I don't know why they stick to the safe bets.

But the commissioning of the Wonder Woman solo movie gives me a little hope :J

I agree. I was excited when I saw Gadot was signed on for a WW solo movie. I really hope she does well.

Oh, and for those other movies, I've always been baffled by the choices they made with character getting movies. Jonah Hex over Flash? Catwoman over Wonder Woman? I think that was a big part of the problem - they didn't pick good characters.

I do think Green Lantern gets unfairly hated on. IMO it's an OK movie, not up to the Nolan Batman or Man of Steel, but it's watchable IMO.
 
Movies like Jonah Hex and Catwoman are so weird because they were made when WB knew full well that comic book movies were becoming hot. Especially Jonah Hex. Green Lantern is just a total miscalculation. I can't believe it exists because I've blocked it out mentally. What a wasted opportunity especially witnessing the Guardians of the Galaxy trailer.
 
I agree. I was excited when I saw Gadot was signed on for a WW solo movie. I really hope she does well.

Oh, and for those other movies, I've always been baffled by the choices they made with character getting movies. Jonah Hex over Flash? Catwoman over Wonder Woman? I think that was a big part of the problem - they didn't pick good characters.

I do think Green Lantern gets unfairly hated on. IMO it's an OK movie, not up to the Nolan Batman or Man of Steel, but it's watchable IMO.

I remember watching Green Lantern for the first time after hearing all of the hate and expecting to see the worst movie ever. As a result, I didn't think it was all that bad. Maybe it's because my expectations were so low to begin with. I wouldn't call it any worse than the Transformers movies which I was really into when they were big.

Jonah Hex was most certainly a strange choice of character to pursue a movie for, but Catwoman (like Elektra) could have worked but was done very, very poorly. Selina is an interesting enough character to carry her own film - with or without Batman. She'd make for a good Robin Hood anti-hero plot in my opinion. But now that WB is starting to take DC Comic characters somewhat seriously (I cautiously hope...) I don't think Catwoman would be a good usage of time.

Movies like Jonah Hex and Catwoman are so weird because they were made when WB knew full well that comic book movies were becoming hot. Especially Jonah Hex. Green Lantern is just a total miscalculation. I can't believe it exists because I've blocked it out mentally. What a wasted opportunity especially witnessing the Guardians of the Galaxy trailer.

I know! GotG is looking to be building up to great space adventure. If they're taking it the direction that I think they're taking it, it doesn't even need to be classified as a "superhero movie". Just a really cool sci-fi one with connections to the costumed guys on Earth.

Though I feel GL would have done a bit better if the tone was made a little more serious. Not dark - GL doesn't need to be dark. But it definitely shouldn't be portrayed as a straight up comedy like it seems that they tried to do. Save that for Plastic Man :P
 
Movies like Jonah Hex and Catwoman are so weird because they were made when WB knew full well that comic book movies were becoming hot.
It's almost like they they saw potential in the classic DC stuff, both financally and artistically, but headed off in another direction and deliberately made as bad comic book adaptions as possible. And that out of spite.
Regarding their über strange choices, it really makes me wonder.

I've always been baffled by the choices they made with character getting movies. Jonah Hex over Flash? Catwoman over Wonder Woman? I think that was a big part of the problem - they didn't pick good characters.
Could it be that WB saw no difference between the popcultural DC icons and the more obscure characters? If that's really the case, then Warner Brothers don't deserve to hold the rights. A studio that owns a property should atleast have some insight, or else it's just a joke.

One can just hope that Warner Brothers don't buy McDonald's. Then Big Mac will no longer be sold. :woot:
 
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This movie.....it will be the year 2100 before we see it. :dry:
This is probably true. Based on Arrow though, the Flash show is going to be close to movie quality. AND we'll probably get Flash in Batman vs Superman, and definitely Justice League. So I'm not that upset about it.

I'm personally hoping for a huge Flashpoint type story after Justice League comes out. Flash would have to defeat Zoom and repair the broken timeline..I think a big event film like this could be the best thing for a solo Flash movie.

The audience will be used to the typical superhero origin formula. The Flash will possibly be seen as no different. A variation of Flashpoint actually provides a way for a Flash movie to be a lot different than the typical superhero movies.

Done right, the stakes could be as high as a Justice League movie.

The time travel aspect of Flash is one of the things that makes his character so interesting. I don't think they should hold off from showing time travel early on, show the audience what makes fans love this character as soon as possible. Green Lantern's movie left too many things to be explored in a sequel. I think Flash should do the exact opposite. Treat the movie like there won't be a sequel at all.
 
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I don't think GL is as horrendous as people make it out to be. I think it just had a few big missteps that people couldn't (or didn't want to) overlook, despite their uncanny ability to overlook similar flaws in other movies of the genre. I know it's pointless to defend it now but I just feel like I've seen so many movies that were much, much worse and they don't get the level of hate that GL gets. You can't even mention it without 15 people appearing to out of nowhere to tell you how much it sucks.
 
It sucked. A whole lot. And its awfulness guaranteed the skittish bosses at WB won't green light another GL movie for a decade or more. (See you were right!)

And a WW solo movie as far from guaranteed. Signing Gadot means almost nothing. If the supes/bats dailies don't knock WB's socks off, nothing will happen vis a vis ANY solo movie til after the premiere.
 
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I don't think GL is as horrendous as people make it out to be. I think it just had a few big missteps that people couldn't (or didn't want to) overlook, despite their uncanny ability to overlook similar flaws in other movies of the genre. I know it's pointless to defend it now but I just feel like I've seen so many movies that were much, much worse and they don't get the level of hate that GL gets. You can't even mention it without 15 people appearing to out of nowhere to tell you how much it sucks.

This.

It was a mediocre movie overall, but it wasn't a bad movie, and it had some great moments.
 
Stop bringing it up and we will stop responding. We need to hold WB to higher standards, not make apologies for them (ie "gl wasn't that bad"). Why? Because the repercussions of every failure affect other properties as well. Call it a guilty pleasure and leave it at that. Otherwise expect a rebuttal.

And raise your damn standards. Don't accept mediocrity. Demand a list talent and/or producers/writers/directors who have a real love and understanding for the source material. Stop undermining yourselves because you're desperate for something, anything. Its pathetic.

On topic: there is no reason why a Flash movie can't aspire to the same quality as the Nolan Batfilms. There is now today a glut of big talent available in front of and behind the camera - many of them real cb fans. Hiring glorified models and journeymen directors to make movies from by committee scripts is death. These beloved and rich properties deserve better.
 
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I don't hate GL as much as i used to, but it deserves all the hate it gets.
 
I need to rewatch it since it's been a long time. But as someone who doesn't know a lot about Green Lantern it did nothing to make me interested in him. I thought a lot of things were just stupid and couldn't tell if that was just the nature of the Green Lantern mythos or if the movie failed in its execution.
 
My thoughts on Grant Gustin's Flash headshot reveal:


(Here is the image again for anyone who missed it)

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The Good:

Grant's head looks great in it. Relieved to see the material isn't armor like and that there's no visors or goggles (thank God). I like the way the cowl is cut and how it sits on his face, with his nose slightly exposed (unlike the 90s tv show suit, which had the nose piece (my only menial complaint about it along with the fake muscles in retrospect, although I get why the suit looked like that at the time, it was par for the course and state of the art, so I am not going to hold the 90s suit over the coals for that, obviously the rubber muscle suit is no longer trending these days so I wouldn't expect to see it, naturally, on a current incarnation of the character, however, the tv show did at least provide a logical explanation for it so I will give it points for that)). I like how the mask scallops to a point on his cheeks and dips back toward his ears, it looks sleek and cool and exactly the way the mask should look in live action. I also like the
choice of material being used, while it does look a little leather like, the pic is very dim, and it isn't spandex and doesn't have those ridiculous chainmaily looking insignias all over it, these are good things to me, I like that the material looks mostly solid. It looks tough. Again, it is hard to say for sure because of how dim the pic is, but if the suit itself is a crimson red, and it may be, I think that is absolutely the way to go, and I love the sleek gold metallic look for the yellow areas of the costume. That was always the way to do The Flash's "yellow" areas, the lightning trim, however they did the suit in live action. I also like that we can see his eyes, and am very pleased that he doesn't have any sort of makeup or eyeliner along his eyelids, etc, like Batman and Green Arrow - unlike them, we are supposed to see that The Flash's skin is very separate from his mask. This is a good clean look for him and I'm glad they kept that.


The Bad:

I hate to be the stick in the mud, but the ear pieces are HORRENDOUS. My biggest complaint oddly isn't the chin strap, it's the damn ear pieces. They look like they half assed the symbol on his chest and just stuck it on his ears. This is bad. They are not supposed to be miniature Flash logos, they are supposed to be fin like, not little Flash lightning symbols. And I'm not complaining because it "isn't the look from the comics, and I want that no matter how 'silly' it is!!!", I'm complaining because it just looks bad and what is in the comics looks remarkably better. The people who are saying it looks great I feel aren't that familiar with The Flash visually and are maybe judging it as a whole (albeit prematurely - but I guess we all are as there's no body shot yet). There needs to be an actual ear PIECE (the ROUND, solid circular part that contains the police scanner, not the fin part, the fin needs to be attached to that, it needs to be solid and
round, not just a circular outline), and there's a way to do them and have them look cool, like how Ethan Van Sciver draws them:

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THIS is how they need to look in live action - they look sleek and sharp, gold, and cool. They don't look like little wings but they don't look like little Flash lightning logos, either, what they look like is unique and just all around pretty cool, they don't look flimsy, either.

They always seem to want to screw with the ear pieces somewhat (see the Injustice game), what the ear pieces are like now remind me of the suit from the failed Justice League TV pilot from the 90s, only difference is this suit has a gold circular outline the bolts attach to:

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(that suit even appears to have a "collar", but we'll get to that... ;) )

Oh, and here's what else it reminded me of:

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As you can see, a change like that, however small it may seem to some, drastically detracts from The Flash's look as a whole and instead of making him look sleek and cool just makes him look kind of dorky, which is a fine line with a character like The Flash, it's something that's really easy for him to fall into because of the nature of his costume - if you do it wrong you screw it up pretty bad. It's why it's mostly went unchanged in the comics, it's such a perfect design the most people can think to do with it to "improve" it is to give it a chin strap and draw lines all over it, any tweaks usually dilute it).

The collar is the next thing that bugs me but at a much, MUCH smaller level. I can deal with a collar as long as they get the ear pieces right, but I do think if a "collar" is what they are going for, they could smooth it down and make it stand out less, that would be a good way to go about it, IMO, they don't have to make it so the cowl connects directly to the chest of the suit if they want the two broken up for "mobility" or whatever, I have no qualms with that, just that it look as seamless and fluid as possible. The chin strap I expected it to have so it is no surprise to me at all that it's there, and while I can definitely do without it and prefer it not be there because it is pretty ugly and distracting looking, it's not a deal breaker for me, I'm willing to accept all of this stuff so long as they get the ear pieces right.

The suit does look dark but I'm thinking that's mostly in part because that's how the image itself looks and not the suit itself, the pic is pretty dark (and I imagine that's for good reason as far as the producers are concerned, it does make me a bit apprehensive I will admit but there's still a lot of potential with this, I hope the rest of the suit is good).


Final thoughts:

While it could be better, it could also be a lot worse, but 1) we haven't seen the entire suit so far, so I will withold final judgments until then, but going off of what we have seen so far, I will say I don't have complete faith in what the whole suit itself will be, I'm concerned they won't get the logo right, he'll be in sneakers, and worse, he'll be in some sort of DareDevil zipper coat thing, it will just be disappointing if true - and 2) HOWEVER, this is the BEGINNING, many things may be subject to change and improvements to the suit could be made and they could fix the things I mentioned with further seasons and we may end up with the right look after all, Arrow did this with its second season, it's also possible The Flash could take the same route (although the more they get right out the gate the better, but I digress, I will give it a chance). Right now, of the two, John Wesley Shipp's 90s Flash suit still has the upper hand, even with the
nose piece, it remains the superior cowl, CW/WB has plenty of room to step it up with this.

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(Even the ear piece on the old Flash tv show suit looks pretty good - it's amazing how much right they got back then over 20 years ago and how it still holds while all the crap that came after is just awful, even by the standards of the time in which they were made)

On Gustin:

I think he looks like Chris Pine in the pic for some reason (good thing to me, I think Pine would make a great Barry Allen). Does anybody else see it? Something about the shape of his head, the eyes, and the smile - smile, that's another thing, I like the look on Gustin's face here, very Flash like, it's a pleasure to see that instead of another grimace.

Bottom line on the ear pieces: These ear pieces don't look like they could contain anything; they look transparent. The round piece contains the bulk of the scanner while the long rod like part contains the receptor. It just looks stupid when compared to the comics look and is a bad design, like they just tacked The Flash's chest logo to the sides of his head half assedly.
 
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Holy ****ing ass crackers! Not bad....needs the gold lightning trim, the white circle behind the chest symbol (although this logo actually looks better than I'd expected, I don't prefer it though), and the right ear pieces (how Ethan Van Sciver draws them in Flash: Rebirth), but for CW this is well above what's expected. Nice job. Looks pretty good.

Fingers are crossed that he has the "belt"/waist lightning trim. Not bad for a mark 1. Not bad at all. I'm a little relieved. :D

The chin strap is less conspicuous in the pic which is good... and at that angle the ear pieces almost look right.

I'd love to see gold boots but I know that's asking a lot. Anyway neat.

Just give him some gold lightning trim on his gloves and waste around the belt area, white behind the chest symbol, and we're good.
 
Miss the real logo, the right colored one.

And is it just me or are those fake fingernails on the gloves...?


There is some yellow in the boots if you look closely.

It's like sprinkled on there a bit but something more aggressive and bold in terms of the gold on the boots (and costume in general) would be best (like actual BOOTS, lol).
 
Movies like Jonah Hex and Catwoman are so weird because they were made when WB knew full well that comic book movies were becoming hot. Especially Jonah Hex. Green Lantern is just a total miscalculation. I can't believe it exists because I've blocked it out mentally. What a wasted opportunity especially witnessing the Guardians of the Galaxy trailer.

Michael Fassbender looked like the only one having fun making Jonah Hex
 
If they don't use the CW Flash on the big screen, I would cast Mike Vogel as Barry Allen.
 
Stop bringing it up and we will stop responding. We need to hold WB to higher standards, not make apologies for them (ie "gl wasn't that bad"). Why? Because the repercussions of every failure affect other properties as well. Call it a guilty pleasure and leave it at that. Otherwise expect a rebuttal.

And raise your damn standards. Don't accept mediocrity. Demand a list talent and/or producers/writers/directors who have a real love and understanding for the source material. Stop undermining yourselves because you're desperate for something, anything. Its pathetic.

On topic: there is no reason why a Flash movie can't aspire to the same quality as the Nolan Batfilms. There is now today a glut of big talent available in front of and behind the camera - many of them real cb fans. Hiring glorified models and journeymen directors to make movies from by committee scripts is death. These beloved and rich properties deserve better.
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