THE FLASH - 2016 can't get here fast enough!

[Kevin Smith]

Brad Bird would be cool. I'd have faith. Would he do it though?

 

[jmc]

Brad bird would definitely get me psyched for a Flash movie.

 

[spidergeek232]

Brad Bird 4 The Flash!

 

[Namor!]

Was a Flash movie announced???

 

[ares834]

Not yet.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Even if it isn't Flash, Brad Bird should do one of these comicbook films.

 

[Kryptonian Titan]

According to boxoffice.com, WB is planning to release a Flash Gordon movie in 2016. These writers certainly do know what they're talking about. LOL.

 

[DareDemon]

Does anyone else think Flash's origin is a little goofy? I say go ahead and make it magic. As in the New 52 Earth Two origin. Mercury/Hermes giving him his powers.

Of course, a prerequisite for this would be a reason why Mercury is dying. And that would require Wonder Woman. So it's probably not gonna happen, but I love the Earth Two origin, it's the only one I actually like.

 

[erehwon0]

Sign me up as another Flash fan. I'm a fan from way back when the first Crisis happened.

I think the tone should be a bit lighter than MOS and TDKT. It should be really a super sci-fi movie! A lot of really out there concepts regarding time and speed/velocity.

There are a lot of directors out there to choose from but I want one who's a fan of the character! A director who has great visual flair and has a good working knowledge of special effects. Joseph Kozsinski from Tron comes to mind. So does Neill Blonkamp.

As for actors, I have given up fan casting as its almost a waste of time really.

If things get more concrete on this movie, I might just attend SDCC next year!

 

[Kryptonian Titan]

Does anyone else think Flash's origin is a little goofy? I say go ahead and make it magic. As in the New 52 Earth Two origin. Mercury/Hermes giving him his powers.

Of course, a prerequisite for this would be a reason why Mercury is dying. And that would require Wonder Woman. So it's probably not gonna happen, but I love the Earth Two origin, it's the only one I actually like.

No. Not goofy at all.

Now, that crappy Earth 2 origin; that's goofy, and worse, it has nothing to do with Flash's mythology.

 

[DareDemon]

I just don't like the random forensic chemicals + lightning strike giving him powers. I just can't buy it. Won't ruin the movie obviously, but still. At least Mercury is fast, and as Wonder Woman will presumably be in this universe...

 

[Kevin Smith]

Does anyone else think Flash's origin is a little goofy? I say go ahead and make it magic. As in the New 52 Earth Two origin. Mercury/Hermes giving him his powers.

Of course, a prerequisite for this would be a reason why Mercury is dying. And that would require Wonder Woman. So it's probably not gonna happen, but I love the Earth Two origin, it's the only one I actually like.

The Flash's origin is unique in that he is the only MAJOR DC character to have his powers because of an accident. Barry Allen's origin is one of the all time best as far as comic books go, it's classic and pure comic book awesomeness, and I mean that in a positive way when I say "comic booky", this is one of the positive examples of "comic bookish" to me.

The Earth 2 origin is terrible and makes him like Green Lantern. Mercury is basically Abin Sur. Very lame. We already have that with GL. And I have always hated characters that are magic based. The psuedo science is part of what makes The Flash, perhaps more so than many other comic characters, so awesome.

I'd find a way to incorporate a lot of "Flash Facts" into the film (little nod to the actual science bits they'd have in old Flash mags to show how it might be possible for Barry Allen to do the things he did), like how fast the fastest animal is, car, plane, rocket, gun, etc....and then bring out The Flash as the ultimate trump card to really give the audience a sense of scale and how powerful he is. I think it'd be brilliant.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I just don't like the random forensic chemicals + lightning strike giving him powers. I just can't buy it. Won't ruin the movie obviously, but still. At least Mercury is fast, and as Wonder Woman will presumably be in this universe...

Why? Spider-Man is bit by a radioactive spider. The Hulk is belted by gamma rays. Fantastic Four, cosmic rays. The lightning/chemicals sums up what the Flash is all about; forensic science (chemicals) and light speed (lightning). It has to be there.

Mercury is goofy.

If anyone's origin should be "tampered" with, I'd suggest Wonder Woman. Perhaps a more science based one is the solution. And what's the point of an invisible jet if we can see her sitting in it?

 

[Kevin Smith]

No. Not goofy at all.

Now, that crappy Earth 2 origin; that's goofy, and worse, it has nothing to do with Flash's mythology.

 

[DareDemon]

Him being the only accident is a good point, as is the similarity to Abin Sur.

And yeah, I know other heroes had questionable origins as well, but the movies updated them (except FF). Genetic engineering makes it easier to swallow (not that I want the Flash to be a super soldier).

One time an acquaintance was being what he calls creative and made up a superhero who got his powers by pissing on a tree. His powers were fire based. Now, that is much much much worse than Flash's origin but they bring the idea to mind of "how is this origin even related to the powers received?"

Would you guys be against him being a latent metahuman that the chemicals and lightning bolt bring out? (Aaaaaaaand I just made it make sense for me, I'm happy now)

 

[Kryptonian Titan]

Why? Spider-Man is bit by a radioactive spider. The Hulk is belted by gamma rays. Fantastic Four, cosmic rays. The lightning/chemicals sums up what the Flash is all about; forensic science (chemicals) and light speed (lightning). It has to be there.

Mercury is goofy.

If anyone's origin should be "tampered" with, I'd suggest Wonder Woman. Perhaps a more science based one is the solution. And what's the point of an invisible jet if we can see her sitting in it?

This. Basically what he's saying is that basically every marvel character's origin is goofy. Using his logic, I can't buy any of these guys getting powers (getting powers from a nuclear bomb? Or from toxic waste in his eyes? No way.)

 

[Kryptonian Titan]

Him being the only accident is a good point, as is the similarity to Abin Sur.

And yeah, I know other heroes had questionable origins as well, but the movies updated them (except FF). Genetic engineering makes it easier to swallow (not that I want the Flash to be a super soldier).

One time an acquaintance was being what he calls creative and made up a superhero who got his powers by pissing on a tree. His powers were fire based. Now, that is much much much worse than Flash's origin but they bring the idea to mind of "how is this origin even related to the powers received?"

Would you guys be against him being a latent metahuman that the chemicals and lightning bolt bring out? (Aaaaaaaand I just made it make sense for me, I'm happy now)

I guess that, at one point in the DC universe, every character that got super powers had what they called ''metagene'', which is similar to what you came up with. Don't know if that's the case anymore.

 

[Airwings]

One hopes that WB has it in them to take some creative risks instead of giving us a sterile, generic, wholly commercial product under the belief that this is a new, untested product like they did with the aforementioned Green Lantern.

Yes, with Baz Lurhmann helming The Flash, and DiCaprio to play a villain

 

[DareDemon]

This. Basically what he's saying is that basically every marvel character's origin is goofy. Using his logic, I can't buy any of these guys getting powers (getting powers from a nuclear bomb? Or from toxic waste in his eyes? No way.)

I'm sorry, but some people like science and can't just ignore physics as easily as others. They ARE goofy, which is fine because that's part of the charm of comic books. But comic book movies generally try to be less goofy, and gods operate on "science" beyond ours so it doesn't need 100% explanation. I was just trying to use an origin that at least exists in canon prior to the movie.

 

[DareDemon]

I guess that, at one point in the DC universe, every character that got super powers had what they called ''metagene'', which is similar to what you came up with. Don't know if that's the case anymore.

Well, I didn't come up with it, I knew about it prior. I didnt know they had almost every hero have one though.

 

[Kryptonian Titan]

Well, I didn't come up with it, I knew about it prior. I didnt know they had almost every hero have one though.

Honestly, I'm not sure about it too.

 

[DareDemon]

I guess it's all moot because I came up with a good enough explanation for me and no one else is bothered by the origin as is. Everybody wins! YOU get a car and YOU get a car....

 

[Kryptonian Titan]

Agreed.

Now, how about the costume? Any ideas on it? Which version(s) should they use as a basis?

 

[Kevin Smith]

Him being the only accident is a good point, as is the similarity to Abin Sur.

And yeah, I know other heroes had questionable origins as well, but the movies updated them (except FF). Genetic engineering makes it easier to swallow (not that I want the Flash to be a super soldier).

Well thing to remember is that none of its real, but how they get their powers should have at least something slightly to do with their powers. The Barry Allen Flash has that for sure with the examples I gave up there. And Spider-Man (Raimi films) didn't mess with his origin at all and I thought it worked great. Hulk messed with his in the 2003 film but to me what they did was worse than anything in the comics and they should have just kept it the way it was in the comics because it was more simplistic and made better sense, IMO. The "my evil daddy poisoned me" angle was one of the things that drug the movie down so much for me. Fantastic Four's origin I thought worked fine in the movies too, frankly. I get tired of the genetically engineered super soldier thing, that's more cliche to me than anything in most of the comics we're talking about, IMO. Even Rocky fought a "genetically engineered" guy. Plus you kinda have that angle in MOS already, you know?

One time an acquaintance was being what he calls creative and made up a superhero who got his powers by pissing on a tree. His powers were fire based. Now, that is much much much worse than Flash's origin but they bring the idea to mind of "how is this origin even related to the powers received?"

LOL! Now that's hilarious. Almost reminds me of how "The Wizzer" got his powers, by drinking mongoose blood I think? Anyway, "The Wizzer" may have been a more appropriate name for your friend from the sounds of it. Haha. But yeah, back to the whole "how is this origin related to how the powers are recieved" bit, I think The Flash's origin is every bit in relation to his powers and how they work. It's been said before that he has the "lightning" (and chemicals) coursing through his veins, his logo is even the lightning motiff. In one story it was revealed that when Barry Allen "died" in Crisis, running several times faster than the speed of light to catch the Anti-Moniter's tachyon particle, a particle which traveled so many times faster than the speed of light it actually traveled BACKWARDS in time, that Barry Allen "disintegrated" into a type of energy when he hit a certain speed and became a "Human Thunderbolt" and actually became the lightning bolt that hit himself, granting him superpowers and creating the speed Force. Mind = blown. Lol. But in all seriousness the story was very well done and it ended saying how just sometimes, lightning does strike the same place twice. I thought it was brilliant.

THAT being said though - in regard to the whole genetically engineered thing, why is it acceptable to have him injected with chemicals when he was presumably younger or a la Captain America, but not exposed to electrolized chemicals in a lab accident whilst being struck by lightning?

Would you guys be against him being a latent metahuman that the chemicals and lightning bolt bring out? (Aaaaaaaand I just made it make sense for me, I'm happy now)

I would be very against The Flash being a "bang baby" or "mutant", lol. He needs to be Barry Allen, regular joe, everyman, almost a "Jimmy Stewart" type, the guy you're most likely to bump into in the DC universe or hang out with.

I'm sorry, but some people like science and can't just ignore physics as easily as others. They ARE goofy, which is fine because that's part of the charm of comic books. But comic book movies generally try to be less goofy,

None of it is humanly possible, even when theorized, and The Flash has the Speed Force and the protective aura around him from the lightning/accident when he got his powers that prevents things from his leg muscles being destroyed by the speeds he runs, his skin burning up (or tight fitting clothes, hence his costume), etc, as the deus ex machina for almost any "well this is what would REALLY happen if a person could run that fast" scenario - his protective aura covers all of that. If an ordinary human could run even half as fast as The Flash does, they'd very obviously have to have super strength too, saying he gets his powers from the "Speed Force" and has a protective aura around him allows him to break the laws of physics and do all of the things he does in the comic books and it still sounds semi scientific, that's why The Flash's powers work as a character.

and gods operate on "science" beyond ours so it doesn't need 100% explanation. I was just trying to use an origin that at least exists in canon prior to the movie.

The whole "gods' magic is just a higher science" is a recent addition to the whole mytholigical/magic angle, it's used in some Flash stories but not QUITE to the great length it's used in things like Thor, etc, for characters like Abra Kadabra, a great Flash villain who is an evil magician from the far, far future, but The Flash is and never was based out of mythology, I think it would be sacrilege to manipulate magic into the character like that, and unnecessary. If you want to use an origin that exists in canon, use the one that he actually has, as it is good and works fine on its own, and his origin is one of the all time comic book greats and a rarity for the heavy hitter DC characters in that his is an "accident" and most the other characters' powers/abilities are all orchestrated.

 

[DareDemon]

Hmm, I just tried looking for a gallery of the variations but I can't find a good resource on the Internet. I'm usually not too good at spotting details unless they're right in front of me. I assume they'll use Barry Allen (has it been confirmed?) so his, I guess. Ha.

Not to go off topic, but is it even possible they'll use Wally? I can see it as a possibility because of kids who watched the DCAU. Probably Barry though.