THE FLASH - 2016 can't get here fast enough!

Not to go off topic, but is it even possible they'll use Wally? I can see it as a possibility because of kids who watched the DCAU. Probably Barry though.


Well the DCAU took Barry Allen's origin and story elements, including his secret identity and status as The Flash and most of his supporting cast and gave it to Wally West in the show. They really used Wally's name and likeness but used Barry's story and then did their own thing with him on the show character wise, even Wally in the comics was portrayed as brighter and less "annoying" than he was in the DCAU in some episodes.
 
Well thing to remember is that none of its real, but how they get their powers should have at least something slightly to do with their powers. The Barry Allen Flash has that for sure with the examples I gave up there. And Spider-Man (Raimi films) didn't mess with his origin at all and I thought it worked great. Hulk messed with his in the 2003 film but to me what they did was worse than anything in the comics and they should have just kept it the way it was in the comics because it was more simplistic and made better sense, IMO. The "my evil daddy poisoned me" angle was one of the things that drug the movie down so much for me. Fantastic Four's origin I thought worked fine in the movies too, frankly. I get tired of the genetically engineered super soldier thing, that's more cliche to me than anything in most of the comics we're talking about, IMO. Even Rocky fought a "genetically engineered" guy. Plus you kinda have that angle in MOS already, you know?


Actually I think they said in FF Galactus caused the radiation now that I put more thought in it, so that's more palatable for me. And the spider was genetically engineered in the movie, not radioactive.


LOL! Now that's hilarious. Almost reminds me of how "The Wizzer" got his powers, by drinking mongoose blood I think? Anyway, "The Wizzer" may have been a more appropriate name for your friend from the sounds of it. ;) Haha. But yeah, back to the whole "how is this origin related to how the powers are recieved" bit, I think The Flash's origin is every bit in relation to his powers and how they work. It's been said before that he has the "lightning" (and chemicals) coursing through his veins, his logo is even the lightning motiff. In one story it was revealed that when Barry Allen "died" in Crisis, running several times faster than the speed of light to catch the Anti-Moniter's tachyon particle, a particle which traveled so many times faster than the speed of light it actually traveled BACKWARDS in time, that Barry Allen "disintegrated" into a type of energy when he hit a certain speed and became a "Human Thunderbolt" and actually became the lightning bolt that hit himself, granting him superpowers and creating the speed Force. Mind = blown. Lol. But in all seriousness the story was very well done and it ended saying how just sometimes, lightning does strike the same place twice. I thought it was brilliant.


Heard about that, read Crisis but heard about the Human Lightning bolt. That is better as well.

THAT being said though - in regard to the whole genetically engineered thing, why is it acceptable to have him injected with chemicals when he was presumably younger or a la Captain America, but not exposed to electrolized chemicals in a lab accident whilst being struck by lightning?

I said I didn'twant that.

I would be very against The Flash being a "bang baby" or "mutant", lol. He needs to be Barry Allen, regular joe, everyman, almost a "Jimmy Stewart" type, the guy you're most likely to bump into in the DC universe or hang out with.

well, it'd just be an added thing I need for my benefit in my head. I'm not saying they flat out state it in the movie, it'll just be something I pretend.

None of it is humanly possible, even when theorized, and The Flash has the Speed Force and the protective aura around him from the lightning/accident when he got his powers that prevents things from his leg muscles being destroyed by the speeds he runs, his skin burning up (or tight fitting clothes, hence his costume), etc, as the deus ex machina for almost any "well this is what would REALLY happen if a person could run that fast" scenario - his protective aura covers all of that. If an ordinary human could run even half as fast as The Flash does, they'd very obviously have to have super strength too, saying he gets his powers from the "Speed Force" and has a protective aura around him allows him to break the laws of physics and do all of the things he does in the comic books and it still sounds semi scientific, that's why The Flash's powers work as a character.

im actually fine with Speed Force, go figure. Haha.

The whole "gods' magic is just a higher science" is a recent addition to the whole mytholigical/magic angle, it's used in some Flash stories but not QUITE to the great length it's used in things like Thor, etc, for characters like Abra Kadabra, a great Flash villain who is an evil magician from the far, far future, but The Flash is and never was based out of mythology, I think it would be sacrilege to manipulate magic into the character like that, and unnecessary. If you want to use an origin that exists in canon, use the one that he actually has, as it is good and works fine on its own, and his origin is one of the all time comic book greats and a rarity for the heavy hitter DC characters in that his is an "accident" and most the other characters' powers/abilities are all orchestrated.

I agree it would be convoluted and weird. It just made more sense to me and wanted to see if anyone else likes the current Earth Two Flash. Of course, he's a product of his specific world, and his world isnt as similar to ours as the mainstream DC is. The whole "magic is science" trope has been used a lot lately but I was a fan BEFORE it was cool, man! :cmad:
:oldrazz: Seriously though, when I was a kid I was always trying to explain things that didnt make sense (like magic).
 
Well the DCAU took Barry Allen's origin and story elements, including his secret identity and status as The Flash and most of his supporting cast and gave it to Wally West in the show. They really used Wally's name and likeness but used Barry's story and then did their own thing with him on the show character wise, even Wally in the comics was portrayed as brighter and less "annoying" than he was in the DCAU in some episodes.

Hm, I don't remember that. I actually don't remember Flash's support staff or civvie life even appearing. I'll have to rewatch some Flash centric episodes.
 
Agreed.

Now, how about the costume? Any ideas on it? Which version(s) should they use as a basis?

I'm fine if they go the New 52 route, but I don't want to see him in armor no matter what they do, and I don't want the little lines all over him looking distracting or HUGE either if they go the New 52 route, if anyone's seen the New 52 Flash skin in the Injustice game that is about ideal as far as what I'd like a live action New 52 style Flash suit to look like.

Big, heavy looking, treaded gold boots with wrinkles a little above the ankle line are a must, The Flash's colors must be a deep crimson and gold, not red and yellow; the red is deep crimson, and the yellow is gold/metallic looking and shiney. The earpieces are sharp and shiney looking and should look EXACTLY how Ethan Van Sciver draws them, they are not wings and don't have feathers (sorry, Alex Ross), I'd call them door handles before I caled them feathered wings).

Here is a perfect example of what I mean:

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^^ That's EXACTLY how the ear pieces should look. Period. They look cool there and they look great.


And take a look at this picture below to see what I mean about how the boots should look:

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Epic, right? ^^


And finally, I just posted this because I think it would make a fantastic poster for the movie, on the area that Barry Allen is covered by the lightning bolt (but sub the "Z" lightning for Zoom (aka Professor Thawne/"Reverse Flash") out for the actual Flash logo of course, then you have a perfect poster :up: ), he appears in his Flash uniform. Sums up the whole character pretty perfectly:

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Material wise, the suit needs to be very different from a lot of things we have seen before; it must shine, but not look like Spider-Man spandex, but it also has to be "durable" looking like it's made from an actual "scientific" material if you know what I mean.
 
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I like. From what I understand, electricity has been used more often recently than it used to as an aesthetic. Would you have that too? I like it personally.
 
Hm, I don't remember that. I actually don't remember Flash's support staff or civvie life even appearing. I'll have to rewatch some Flash centric episodes.

Check out the Justice League season one two parter (heh, they were all two parters but the Christmas episode, really) "The Brave and the Bold" where Flash and GL fight Gorilla Grodd. A flashback is shown to his origin briefly and he's a forensic scientist in a lab when lightning strikes him at the Central City police department, when he hallucinates there are a lot of nods to Barry Allen Flash covers like "The Day Flash weighed 1,000 pounds!" and when his head is giant, also when he is turned into a gorilla. All the Barry Allen versions of the Rogues are used, The Flash in the JL/JLU show cofounded the JLA, Barry Allen did that, and in the JLU episode "Flash and Substance" Wally is shown at his day job as a forensic scientist for the Central City Police Department, and he faces off against the Barry Allen versions of the Rogues, in Central City. Linda Park does appear as a tv reporter in it, but I've argued for years that they copied Barry Allen again in the comics with that because Barry Allen was married to Iris West, who was also a tv reporter, then they had Wally marry Linda (and gave him twins with superpowers like they did Barry Allen, but that's another story).

They basically amalgamated the different versions of The Flash and Green Lantern in those shows, they called The Flash Wally West and made him look like Wally West but they gave him Barry Allen's story and story elements, when Green Lantern appeared in Superman: TAS, they called him Kyle Rayner and he had Kyle's job and personality, but he looked like Hal Jordan and had Hal Jordan's origin, and fought Hal's archenemy Sinestro (still one of my favorite episodes and would have made a pretty great Green Lantern movie, IMO (much better than the one we got to say the least :word: )). They gave John Stewart some of Hal's Lantern status and story too but not quite to the extent they borrowed from Barry to give to Wally in JL/JLU.
 
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Check out the season one two parter (heh, they were all two parters but the x-mas episode) "The Brave and the Bold" where Flash and GL fight Gorilla Grodd. A flashback is shown to his origin briefly and he's a forensic scientist in a lab when lightning strikes him at the Central City police department, when he hallucinates there are a lot of nods to Barry Allen Flash covers like "The Day Flash weighed 1,000 pounds!" and when his head is giant, also when he is turned into a gorilla. All the Barry Allen versions of the Rogues are used, The Flash in the JL/JLU show cofounded the JLA, Barry Allen did that, and in the JLU episode "Flash and Substance" Wally is shown at his day job as a forensic scientist for the Central City Police Department, and he faces off against the Barry Allen versions of the Rogues, in Central City. Linda Park does appear as a tv reporter in it, but I've argued for years that they copied Barry Allen again in the comics with that because Barry Allen was married to Iris West, who was also a tv reporter, then they saddled Wally with Linda (and gave him twins with superpowers like they did Barry Allen, but that's another story).

They basically amalgamated The Flash and Green Lantern in those shows, they called The Flash Wally West and made him look like him but they gave him Barry Allen's story and elements, when Green Lantern appeared in Superman: TAS, they called him Kyle Rayner and he had Kyle's job and personality, but he looked like Hal Jordan and had Hal Jordan's origin, and fought Hal's archenemy Sinestro (still one of my favorite episodes and would have made a pretty great Green Lantern movie, IMO (much better than the one we got :word: )). They gave John Stewart some of Hal's Lantern status and story too but not quite to the extent they borrowed from Barry to give to Wally in JL/JLU.

Nice, I'll have to watch those episodes and see what you folks think of the electricity tomorrow. Thanks for the episode titles, saves me having to search.

I have now been up for 24 hours and must go to bed. Night, all.
 
I like. From what I understand, electricity has been used more often recently than it used to as an aesthetic. Would you have that too? I like it personally.

Oh, I'd have it crackling off of him from the golden areas of his costume and logo when he runs (that goes back to the Carmine Infantino era), possibly his eyes "lighting" up, or a little "lightning bolt" in the iris, if you'll excuse the terminology. :cwink:
 
When The Flash speaks, his voice should sound like speed incarnate, sort of electrical and crackley, but we can still understand him. Just a little "tweak" effect to his voice would be cool to differentiate him from Barry. He also talks a little fast, there could be a funny moment where he reminds himself to slow his speech down when communicating with regular people.

Also, The Flash never walks. He is always seen either running and in motion or standing still, never like slowly walking. Barry walks, The Flash does not.
 
Nice, I'll have to watch those episodes and see what you folks think of the electricity tomorrow. Thanks for the episode titles, saves me having to search.

I have now been up for 24 hours and must go to bed. Night, all.

'Night, man.


And I go into more detail here about how I think The Flash's powers should be displayed and work in the film, and include pictures, for anyone who wants to take a look:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=25119375&postcount=599

And then continued here, there's a great pic of The Flash running on the blade of a helicopter and vibrating the molecules of a plane to get it to pass through a bridge and land safely here, it'd be a pretty awesome moment in a movie, IMO:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=25119385&postcount=600
 
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Nice suggestions. I do like Wally West's costume from Rebirth:

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His suit is cool but they MUST keep the three pronged classic logo of The Flash and not that energizer bunny looking thing Wally wears. I always hated that they gave him the two pronged logo in the JL cartoons, never got why they changed that, The Flash's logo is perfect the way it is. Always looked incomplete to me on the show and like a letter "N" or "Z".

Logo SHOULD look like this:

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Also, no nose piece on the costume. That's my only real complaint with the old tv show suit for its time. The nose piece doesn't fit for The Flash. And I DON'T want to see him with a chin strap like the New 52 suit. HELL NO TO THE CHIN STRAP, lol. I hated that edition. It just looks bad. It's my least favorite thing about the New 52 suit.

Also, whether they go for the "V" looking waist lightning trim ("belt" area) that the tv show introduced that they then incorporated into the comics or the wrap around lightning trim, the bolts must connect. They can't be divided like in that pic up there.
 
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This is the New 52 Flash skin from the Injustice game. It's not bad, I'd just tone the additional lines down a bit more, they can be a bit distracting and make the suit look entirely too busy in some images and detract from the overall suit design; the greatness and beauty and overall genius of The Flash's design is in its simplicity, he should not look like he is a puzzle.
 
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I agree about Wally's logo, Kevin.
And, btw, I love that scene of Flash running over the blade of a helicopter. Manapul's one of the best artists to ever draw the Flash, imo.
 
I agree about Wally's logo, Kevin.
And, btw, I love that scene of Flash running over the blade of a helicopter. Manapul's one of the best artists to ever draw the Flash, imo.

:up: Yeah, definitely. His run is one of the all time greats for the character too, IMO. Perfect artist for that series, I love his art. I still say the New 52 Flash series is the best of the New 52 line, certainly in the top 5 to say the least.
 
:up: Yeah, definitely. His run is one of the all time greats for the character too, IMO. Perfect artist for that series, I love his art. I still say the New 52 Flash series is the best of the New 52 line, certainly in the top 5 to say the least.

I couldn't agree more. It's a fun, consistently great, ''old school'' series. Top 5 for sure.

No official confirmation as yet, right?

Not yet, mate.
 
Kevin Smith- I like all the the ideas, except the ring. I never did like the ring.

I've only read the first arc in new 52 Flash, and I was kinda disappointed. It set up for Grodd in the second arc though, so that's cool. Does it get better as time goes on? I'll retread the first one anyway, maybe I was tired or something.
 
I think the metagene should be a big part of the DCCU and should be a part of the Flash. Considering he is the only original member Justice League who has it. If it wasn't for the metagene, he probably would have died from that accident. Every other superhero or villain either has technology, magic, magical totems, mutation or an alien.

I actually like the New 52 suit. I think Warner Brothers and DC Comics would like to have a bit of synergy with their properties and having the current "New 52" costume throughout the entire spectrum of properties will be a triumph for people inside both companies if it ever happens.

As for the main storyline for the movie, I would actually like to see the underlying story they set-up in the New 52, which is how Barry will solve the murder of his mother. Have the start of the movie with Barry placing flowers on his mother's gravestone. It is the anniversary of the day she died and the moment he lost his family (his father was convicted of the murder). The next scene is of him talking with his father in prison. The gist of their conversation is Barry vowing to prove his father's innocence and Barry's father telling him to live his life. This should give the movie its emotional resonance. The ending should be Barry picking up his father as he is released from prison. I know it has not been resolved in the comics but there is still time to wrap this up before the movie comes out.

As for his powers, there are a number of ways this could be shown. I know we've seen time slowed down numerous times, but how accurate is this? I mean how would the world/reality be perceived if your perception of time is slowed down? How do you see things when light itself is slower than what we're used to?

And the whole rules of physics not applying to his speed. This is why the Speed Force is important! It is the McGuffin to how the Flash operates. He never ages because the Speed Force fuels his power. His costume is the Speed Force coalesced into a physical form. Why doesn't he snap anyone's neck or smash their brains against their skulls while moving then at super speed? Because as a scientist he is conscious of this and the Speed Force suspends all movement when he touches anyone as he moves them!

What I would eventually like to see would be the Ultimate version of his powers, such as draining and lending kinetic energy from objects. He wouldn't have to catch bullets, he just have to absorb their kinetic energy and they drop. Just like Neo in the Matrix. Of course time travel and inter-dimensional travel as well! Oo oo! Speed Learning!

I hope that got you excited as much as I am!
 
I think the metagene should be a big part of the DCCU and should be a part of the Flash. Considering he is the only original member Justice League who has it. If it wasn't for the metagene, he probably would have died from that accident. Every other superhero or villain either has technology, magic, magical totems, mutation or an alien.

I actually like the New 52 suit. I think Warner Brothers and DC Comics would like to have a bit of synergy with their properties and having the current "New 52" costume throughout the entire spectrum of properties will be a triumph for people inside both companies if it ever happens.

As for the main storyline for the movie, I would actually like to see the underlying story they set-up in the New 52, which is how Barry will solve the murder of his mother. Have the start of the movie with Barry placing flowers on his mother's gravestone. It is the anniversary of the day she died and the moment he lost his family (his father was convicted of the murder). The next scene is of him talking with his father in prison. The gist of their conversation is Barry vowing to prove his father's innocence and Barry's father telling him to live his life. This should give the movie its emotional resonance. The ending should be Barry picking up his father as he is released from prison. I know it has not been resolved in the comics but there is still time to wrap this up before the movie comes out.

As for his powers, there are a number of ways this could be shown. I know we've seen time slowed down numerous times, but how accurate is this? I mean how would the world/reality be perceived if your perception of time is slowed down? How do you see things when light itself is slower than what we're used to?

And the whole rules of physics not applying to his speed. This is why the Speed Force is important! It is the McGuffin to how the Flash operates. He never ages because the Speed Force fuels his power. His costume is the Speed Force coalesced into a physical form. Why doesn't he snap anyone's neck or smash their brains against their skulls while moving then at super speed? Because as a scientist he is conscious of this and the Speed Force suspends all movement when he touches anyone as he moves them!

What I would eventually like to see would be the Ultimate version of his powers, such as draining and lending kinetic energy from objects. He wouldn't have to catch bullets, he just have to absorb their kinetic energy and they drop. Just like Neo in the Matrix. Of course time travel and inter-dimensional travel as well! Oo oo! Speed Learning!

I hope that got you excited as much as I am!

Outstanding post.:up:
 
About the costume thing is The Colors they should be rich and the costume should be Real and no CGI based entirely
 
A Flash movie is one of the most perplexing possibilities to me. I can't see how The Rogues or most of the other Flash's villains would translate well to live action. I still want to see them try to make this movie, but it might be too big a risk to release as a summer movie
 
Some characters like Trickster and Captain Cold might be tough to adapt. The latter might not be too hard though, if they just drop the "Captain" from his name. Just calling him Cold and making him a coldblooded bastard could work fine.

Zoom wouldn't be hard to adapt at all though; I mean, if you can make Flash work onscreen, you can make Zoom work.
 

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