The Good, The Bad, and The Official Western Thread

Watched a good RONALD REAGAN western, "Law and Order".
Ronnie quits the law business to get into ranching.
When is brother(Alex Nicol) is killed, Ronnie pins on the law badge once again to not bring the Evil-Neighbor Rancher to justice but also his younger brother(Russell Johnson) who kills Dennis Weaver in a fit of rage.
Dorothy Malone plays The love interest. Doesn't have much to do except stand around and look pretty. ;)
 
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Johnny Guitar was the weirdest western I've seen. Between the soap-opera relationships between characters, the male characters stepping into a passive narrative device, and the brutal violence that accompanied a tone that was so serious it almost felt silly.

Was it truly feminist or a patriarchal parody of such ideas? The world will never know.
 
Jimmy Stewart.

His is the best version in my opinion. It was a change of page film that started Stewart down a new path. He was mainly known for comedies....after this film he made a lot of serious westerns. Stephen McNally, as the main bad guy Dutch Henry Brown, does a good job....but I always think of Dan Duryea, as Waco Johnny Dean, as the more memorable bad guy.

Great movie that anyone who likes westerns should put on their watch list.
 
You ever see THE MAN THAT SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE?

Yes sir.

I liked it very much.

Also, I know Leone is the king when it comes to spaghetti westerns, but the other Sergio..Sergio Corbucci could go toe to toe with him on some films. I hope more folks check out his films. The Great Silence is a masterpiece.
 
Johnny Guitar was the weirdest western I've seen. Between the soap-opera relationships between characters, the male characters stepping into a passive narrative device, and the brutal violence that accompanied a tone that was so serious it almost felt silly.

Was it truly feminist or a patriarchal parody of such ideas? The world will never know.

If you want to see another weird western....also starring Sterling Hayden....check out Terror in a Texas Town (1958) written by Dalton Trumbo.....Swedish "whaler" Hayden has a shootout with the bad guy in the middle of the street just like you see in hundreds of movies....except Hayden uses a HARPOON.
 
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I really enjoyed this.

Then I'd recommend the other Anthony Mann directed Jimmy Stewart movies, particularly The Man From Laramie and Bend of the River. All of them tend to feature Stewart playing almost noir-ish heroes with more emotions and complexities than the average western white hat, and most feature engaging villains.
 
Today I watched -

HANNIE CAULDER (1971) starring Raquel Welch, Robert Culp, Ernest Borgnine, Jack Elam, Strother Martin, and Christopher Lee.

The movie starts with the evil, dirty, disgusting outlaws the Clemens brothers (Borgnine, Elam, and Martin) robbing a bank and slaughtering everyone inside. They make their escape across the desert where they come across the stagecoach horse changing station run by the Caulders. They kill Mr. Caulder and rape Hannie (Welch) then leave her for dead as they burn the place down. She gets out in time with nothing but an old blanket she makes into a poncho, then wanders off into the desert. She runs across bounty hunter Tom Price (Culp) who she talks into teaching her to shoot so she can get revenge. Price takes her down to Mexico where he wants master gunmaker Bailey (Lee) to make a light weight pistol for her. Bailey makes her a gun....Price teaches her to shoot....then they go looking for the Clemens brothers.

It was shot in Spain, so it has the Spaghetti Western look. It has decent action and shootouts. The Clemens brothers are disgusting vile characters and the 3 great character actors ham it up immensely in it. This is the only western movie that Lee played in....Lee did appear in the TV miniseries western HOW THE WEST WAS WON though. Culp plays an interesting character and Welch is as beautiful as ever.

It's recommended.
 
Navajo Joe

You want to talk about whitewashing? lol

Proud warrior Navajo Joe (Burt Reynolds) is the only man left alive when outlaw Marvin Duncan (Aldo Sambrell) and his brutal gang destroy his village. Another great Sergio Corbucci film. Composed by the master Morricone as well.

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I remember hearing years ago that Burt signed up when he was told that Sergio was going to direct.....because he thought they meant Sergio Leone.
 
I remember hearing years ago that Burt signed up when he was told that Sergio was going to direct.....because he thought they meant Sergio Leone.

Sergio Corbucci was always seen as the lesser Sergio. I recommend The Great Silence, if you have not seen it already. I think it was the first interacial couple seen in a western film too. Klaus Kinski as the bad guy.
 
I’m not sure if I have mentioned this one yet, but a favourite of mine has always been Red Sun, starring Charles Bronson and Toshiro Mifune.

Bronson played a bandit whose gang robs a train. His partner, a man named Gouche, betrays him and tries to kill him. One of the passengers on the train is a Japanese diplomat on his way to Washington to meet the President. He’s being accompanied by two samurai bodyguards, and is bringing an authentic katana with a jewel encrusted golden holt as a gift. Gouache steals the sword, and when one of the samurai tries to stop him, Gouche shoots him dead. The Japanese diplomat instructs the remaining samurai to retrieve the sword, and sends Bronson along as his guide. The samurai has seven days to retrieve the sword, or he must commit sepuku (ritual suicide by disembowelment), after decapitating Bronson. Bronson reluctantly agreed, mostly out of self preservation, but also because he wants his share of the gold taken from the train.

The two start off as adversaries, the samurai wanting to kill Gouche on sight for killing his friend, Bronson wanting to keep Gouche alive to force him to tell him where he hid the gold. Over time they begin to develop a respect for one another, and eventually even become friends.

I won’t spoil the ending for you if some of you haven’t seen it, but it’s worth checking out. A great mix of classic western and martial arts movies.

Incidentally, Toshiro Mifune was one of the stars of The Seven Samurai, and Charles Bronson was one of the stars of The Magnificent Seven, and they’re partnered up in this western. I just think that’s kinda neat.
 
Today I watched -

GUNMAN'S WALK (1958) - starring Van Heflin, Tab Hunter, Bobby Darrin, Kathryn Grant, Mickey Shaughnessy, Robert F. Simon, Edward Platt, and Ray Teal.

There be spoilers ahead.

Rich rancher Lee Hackett (Heflin) has two sons. Oldest son Ed (Hunter) is wild, brash, bullheaded, and hates being told what to do. Younger son Davey (Darrin) is quiet, introspective, peaceful, and progressive in thinking and actions (such as treating Native Americans with respect). Lee has raised his kids to do what they want....he forgives Ed any indiscretion (buying him out of trouble) but is resentful that Davey doesn't want to act like them.

In need of some temporary "riders" for a horse roundup....Ed and Davy go to the local reservation's store to hire some men. Half breed Clee Chouard (Grant) is working there. Ed, being the dick he is, makes crude comments to her while Davey is smitten and tries to put on his best for her. They hire 3 natives (one of them is Clee's brother, played by singer/actor Bert Convey) and go out on the roundup. Ed makes multiple racially insensitive comments to the Native Americans. Unlike many old westerns that made such comments without really understanding that they were being racist....they are made in this movie to show that Ed and his father are insensitive racists. One day while Ed and Clee's brother are racing to catch the same beautiful white stallion, Ed purposefully crowds Convey off a cliff where he dies from the fall. Ed rides back with the stallion unaware that the other two natives saw what happened. Ed gets back to camp and says he saw Bert accidently fall....the natives take the dead man back to the Indian Agent's office and prefer murder charges against Ed.

Sheriff Brill (Robert F. Simon) arrests Ed. At the trial, the 2 Native Americans give testimony against him, and have to endure multiple racial comments while doing it. Suddenly Jensen Sieverts (Ray Teal) speaks up. He says he was in the canyon and saw the whole thing (he wasn't) and that the natives were lying. It turns out that Sieverts had heard that Ed's father rewarded people who did him "favors"....so did this for some kind of reimbursement. Ed is found innocent. Ed talks to Sievert....tells him he knows he is lying and asks what he wants. He tells him he wants 10 horses. Ed's father arrives at that time and they tell him that they think they have rounded up 10 of Mr. Sievert's horses by mistake....he tells him to go down to the corral and pick them out.

Sievert goes to the corral, picks out 10 horses, including the white stallion that Ed brought I after killing the Indian. Ed's father tells him he must be mistaken about that one, but Sievert tells a story about it being his that he realizes is false and it suddenly dawns on him that Sievert lied at the trial. He lets him take the horses. As Sievert takes the horses through town, Ed sees him with the white stallion. He runs out and stops him saying he can't take that one. Sievert insists he earned it...and Ed shoots him out of the saddle. The sheriff comes to arrest him again....but this time Ed refuses to give up his gun and go with him. The sheriff walks out....and comes back with several deputies and shotguns. Ed's father talks them out of confronting him and says he will get his gun. He goes into the saloon where Ed is, and after a long talk where Ed insults his dad several times, his father manages to grab his gun and turn him over to the sheriff. Ed's brother Davey shows up with Clee (who he has been courting) and his dad tells him if he's going to run around with that dirty half breed to never come home again.

A short time later the sheriff and one of his deputies hear a noise from Ed's cell. They go in and see him hanging. As they start to cut him down, Ed grabs the sheriff's gun and clubs him with it. When the deputy tries to talk him out of escaping, Ed shoots him and kills him. The sheriff gathers a posse to go after him. Ed's father gets to him first....he tries to talk him into turning himself in. Ed keeps ranting about how great he is and how he can do what ever he wants....till his dad shoots him dead. When he brings Ed's body back to town....he walks over to Davey and Clee and then speaking to her very respectfully asks them to accompany him back to the ranch.


It's a good psychological drama more than a shoot them up. Good acting by Van Heflin as the dad and by Tab Hunter plying against type as an obnoxious bad guy.
 
I haven't seen many westerns but I like the Fastest Gun Alive with Glenn Ford.
 
Around a month ago I watched -

TELL THEM WILLIE BOY WAS HERE (1969) - starring Robert Redford, Robert Blake, Katherine Ross, Susan Clark, Barry Sullivan, and John Vernon.

Based on true events.

In 1909 California, Native American Willie Boy (Robert Blake) returns to the reservation after being gone for awhile looking for work. He starts up again with the Native American girl Lola (Ross) he likes. Her father is against them getting together and tells him to stay away from her. Later that night, Willie takes her out into wilderness for sex....her father finds them, a fight ensues, and Willie kills him. Willie and Lola then run off together, not really knowing where to go.

The lady in charge of the reservation, Dr. Elizabeth Arnold (Clark), contacts deputy sheriff Christopher 'Coop' Cooper (Robert Redford)....whom she is having an affair with. Coop gets up a posse to go after him. He is pressured by the sheriff and other high political figures to get him caught or killed ASAP because President Taft is coming to visit the area. The posse is spit up to cover more ground. The group without Coop comes on them first. Willie shoots at them to scare them off.....but accidently shoots a couple of them.

I'll put the ending in spoiler tags -

The manhunt intensifies. Lola can't keep up with Willie Boy's pace.....and Coop and his posse find her dead in the desert. The movie leaves it ambiguous whether Willie kills her or she commits suicide to keep from slowing his escape. In any case, it really pisses off Coop.....and he takes off on his own, finds him....and shoots him dead.

This was a good movie. It had good acting and story.
 
Anybody know what happened to that book that was supposed to be turned into a film called "Black Hats" that Harrison Ford signed up with? He was supposed to play an older Wyatt Earp. Last news I heard was 7 years ago.
 
I haven't heard a thing about that. Sorry.
 
Today I watched -

TERROR IN A TEXAS TOWN (1958) starring Sterling Hayden, Sebastian Cabot, Nedrick Young, Victor Millan, and Sheb Wooley.

Six months ago I mentioned this movie in this thread. I said I remembered it being unique for it's ending. It had been around 50 years since I saw it, so I didn't remember much of it. Luckily, the ENCORE WESTERN channel is showing it this month. I recorded it last night and watched it this morning.

The movie is about the little man standing up against the rich and powerful who think they can push the little guy around with impunity. It was written by Dalton Trumbo. Trumbo was an OSCAR winning writer and one of the famous "Hollywood 10" blacklisted screenwriters of the 1950's.

British bad guy McNeil (Sebastian Cabot) wants to own all the land in the area. He has a lot of money to spare (you can tell this because he has shrimp and lobster shipped in for him to munch on) and since ranchers have stopped selling, he has brought in gunslinger Johnny Crale (Nedrick Young) to scare or kill them off. McNeil, who knew the gunman from a few years back, now notices that Crale dresses all in black, uses two guns, and wears gloves. Crale tells him that he had his right hand shot off and replaced with a metal one. He's a strange character. He is sent out to make an example of one of the resistors....so he goes to the ranch of Sven Hansen and guns him down.

Just by coincidence, three days later Sven's son George Hansen (Sterling Hayden) comes to town to see his papa who he hasn't seen in 19 years. He is told his dad was killed, that McNeil now owns his land, and that he needs to leave town. George instead starts talking to the other ranchers in the area, particularily the family of the Mexican Mirada (Victor Millan). George tries to talk the ranchers into banding together to fight McNeil......but they are too scared, and George gets beat up by some of McNeil's goons and thrown on the train leaving town. George walks back and finds that Crale has gunned down Mirada. He grabs his father's harpoon that Mirada's family were keeping for him and heads into town to end this.

At this time, Crale is rethinking his life. When he had went to kill Mirada, the proud rancher had refused to beg or kneel for him. Crale relates this to McNeil, who asks what the big deal about it is....they stare at each other, and the film then shows George marching into town with the harpoon on his shoulder. We then see a saloon girl looking for McNeil....and finds him shot to death in his room. George marches up the middle of town, Crale comes out and confronts him, George manages to sling the harpoon through Crale's heart. The end.

It's an interesting and strange movie. You don't see many harpoons in westerns.

The standout performance is by Victor Millan. He appeared in such movies as Orson Well's TOUCH OF EVIL, Brian De Palma's SCARFACE, and GIANT. The speech he gives to Crale as he refuses to tremble before him is some of the best work he was asked to do.
 
Not a film, but if anyone hasn't seen Godless on Netflix, I highly recommend it, it's excellent. It's only 7 or 8 episodes, not just a great Western, but one of the best shows I've seen in recent years.

Jeff Daniels plays a maniacal preacher, so you know it's worth your time.
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