The Growth Of Human Consciousness...are We Headed To The Omega Point?

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[TBadora]

Excellent Thread Raybia!

 

[Ice-man]

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My fave speech by far.


gotta love bill, also love tool for using it in their song.

 

[primemover]

http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm

 

[Avangarde]

http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm

Thats a lot of "hit and miss" there, my bet is on the year 4,500,000,000. I'll have to make sure I have my camera out for that one

 

[raybia]

http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm

Interesting however I don't believe that the Earth will be physically destroyed anytime soon. When it is destroyed mankind will have been long gone from the face of it.

However I do believe some future event will have life altering ramifications on mankind's potential and destiny. Now whether it happens in 2012, well I doubt it
but the Mayan theory is definitely interesting.

 

[jaguarr]

Interesting and heady stuff, raybia. I'd never heard this theorem before, but I'm definitely going to have to read more. If you think about it, Teilhard is basically predicting Skynet; all the world's AI essentially coming online with it's own collective self-awareness.

jag

 

[raybia]

Interesting and heady stuff, raybia. I'd never heard this theorem before, but I'm definitely going to have to read more. If you think about it, Teilhard is basically predicting Skynet; all the world's AI essentially coming online with it's own collective self-awareness.

jag

I had not heard of Teilhard and his theory either until yesterday when I was just browsing around about 2012 info.

I've ordered his book, "Phenomenon of Man." The Vatican suppressed his books for years and they weren't published until after his death.

Interesting, very interesting.

Concerning Skynet, perhaps that is where Cameron got the idea.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

2012 is when the party starts...i guess

 

[raybia]

2012 is when the party starts...i guess

No, the party already started back in 1999.

 

[jaguarr]

Concerning Skynet, perhaps that is where Cameron got the idea.

Mmmm...maybe. I think he was more inspired by some of the cyberpunk authors like Gibson and Dick. THEY very well could have been influenced by Teilhard.

jag

 

[DV8]

this it the thread I've been waiting for

I, personally feel that this day is coming but sometimes I look at some of the people around me and still think we're a bit far off . . .

however, the notion that people are more open to excepting the idea of collective consciousness is apparent . . . just that it might occur like a smack in the face for most dumb asses . . .

 

[raybia]

this it the thread I've been waiting for

Thanks. I really find this concept fascinating.

I, personally feel that this day is coming but sometimes I look at some of the people around me and still think we're a bit far off . . .

however, the notion that people are more open to excepting the idea of collective consciousness is apparent . . . just that it might occur like a smack in the face for most dumb asses . . .

In spite of the masses of dumb asses that have existed over the past 10,000 years (maybe I'm one too?) humanity's consciousness has grown and expanded.

At this point the rise of an collective consciousness may be inevitable.

 

[raybia]

Where in the hell is Wilhelm? I was sure he would get in on the discussion.

Both Him and Mee.

 

[Joker]

so you're saying for this people have to be smart and self aware? I recently heard a story about a woman throwing a WWE John Cena box set at a Best Buy clerk for telling her it was 4 to a customer when she was trying to buy 7. So I'm gonna go with, no, and at this rate we'll probably never get there.

Seriously, if you look at history, human conciousness and the level of how smart people seem to be is all cyclical. We get smart, we get dumb, rinse, repeat. I think we've had our time with the smart people, and are slowly headed back to another dark ages of anti-science, pro-religion to the point of insanity times. As proof, just look at anyone who's against stem-cell research. It could save millions of lives, and these abortions are happening anyway, but yet these people still would rather just toss these fetuses away then make it into something constructive.

But yeah, there's now way we're headed for anything but a fall

 

[raybia]

so you're saying for this people have to be smart and self aware? I recently heard a story about a woman throwing a WWE John Cena box set at a Best Buy clerk for telling her it was 4 to a customer when she was trying to buy 7. So I'm gonna go with, no, and at this rate we'll probably never get there.

Seriously, if you look at history, human conciousness and the level of how smart people seem to be is all cyclical. We get smart, we get dumb, rinse, repeat. I think we've had our time with the smart people, and are slowly headed back to another dark ages of anti-science, pro-religion to the point of insanity times. As proof, just look at anyone who's against stem-cell research. It could save millions of lives, and these abortions are happening anyway, but yet these people still would rather just toss these fetuses away then make it into something constructive.

But yeah, there's now way we're headed for anything but a fall

Well we live in a period where mankind has never been as technological advanced as we are now even though we don't always use our knowledge for good.

Maybe mankind can still move towards a collective consciousness in spite of our immorality. Maybe the continued growth and advancement of our intellect
will eventually determine advancement of our ethics.

 

[primemover]

Interesting however I don't believe that the Earth will be physically destroyed anytime soon. When it is destroyed mankind will have been long gone from the face of it.

However I do believe some future event will have life altering ramifications on mankind's potential and destiny. Now whether it happens in 2012, well I doubt it
but the Mayan theory is definitely interesting.

You aren't really going out on a limb with a prediction like that, it's like saying 'In the future something big will happen, I guarantee it!', as those things happen all the time.

 

[raybia]

You aren't really going out on a limb with a prediction like that, it's like saying 'In the future something big will happen, I guarantee it!', as those things happen all the time.

Well, I don't remember guaranteeing anything nor trying to go out on a limb, but my statement is based on what you just stated. The past is a indicator that something big will happen in the future to affect mankind because many many things have already taken place.

This guy named Einstein and this particular theory he came up with was one of those mankind altering events that has forever affected man's future.

 

[DV8]

How ironic that this article kind of relates to the subconsciouss or intuitive nature of the direction we're heaing, only in simpler terms:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/71514/page/1

 

[raybia]

How ironic that this article kind of relates to the subconsciouss or intuitive nature of the direction we're heaing, only in simpler terms:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/71514/page/1

Good find!

 

[Joker]

Well we live in a period where mankind has never been as technological advanced as we are now even though we don't always use our knowledge for good.

Maybe mankind can still move towards a collective consciousness in spite of our immorality. Maybe the continued growth and advancement of our intellect
will eventually determine advancement of our ethics.

And the Romans were at the height of technology too, before the fall into the dark ages...all it takes is incompetent leaders, a public too scared or stupid or both to know what's right, religion influencing daily things (look at the thread about the Reverend in SD wanting to rename Hooker street to something less offensive for a good example of this), and apathy among the masses. We've got all of those in spades right now.

 

[raybia]

And the Romans were at the height of technology too, before the fall into the dark ages...all it takes is incompetent leaders, a public too scared or stupid or both to know what's right, religion influencing daily things (look at the thread about the Reverend in SD wanting to rename Hooker street to something less offensive for a good example of this), and apathy among the masses. We've got all of those in spades right now.

Those are good points and I agree with you.


Tell me though, what came right after the dark ages?

 

[Joker]

Those are good points and I agree with you.


Tell me though, what came right after the dark ages?

ah, but the religous crazies in the dark ages didnt have nuclear weapons

 

[raybia]

ah, but the religous crazies in the dark ages didnt have nuclear weapons

True.

However in the 62 years mankind has possessed this technology the only one to actually use nuclear weapons has not been religious crazies but the so-called ultimate representation of civilization and democracy the United States of America.

So it comes down to faith. I have faith that mankind will not destroy itself, at least not completely, and that we will continue on the path towards its human potential and destiny.

Yes, I have faith that mankind was created with a special destiny that we WILL ultimately achieve.

 

[raybia]

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