The Guns thread

[herakles]

The fact that there are so many people who support the idea of being able to buy guns without a background check just screams of the idiocy behind the thought process.

I do think prospective gun owners should be subjected to a basic background check (I wish it was legal to not sell to people on psyche meds), forced people to take gun safety classes, gun laws tests, and tested for basic gun competency just we are tested when getting our driver's license. Throw in conceal permits.

Then have gun overs get retested every 4 years. Suspend their licenses till they successfully retest. If they fail to retest after a month then they have to give up their guns till they successfully retest.

At the end of the day criminals could give two craps about laws. They will get and use their "dirtiest" gun if necessary.

 

[herakles]

please delete. duplicate post

 

[KevanG]

Have you ever been attacked but a guy with a knife? Not exactly easier to defend against.

That is true but compared to one person alone against a guy with a knife or a whole school vs one guy with a knife as opposed to guns is a very big difference. Some nut with guns is less likely to reconsider attacking a group of people than if he only had some knives.

 

[herakles]

That is true but compared to one person alone against a guy with a knife or a whole school vs one guy with a knife as opposed to guns is a very big difference. Some nut with guns is less likely to reconsider attacking a group of people than if he only had some knives.

Well a guy with a gun can certainly cause more damage but a guy with a knife can cause just as much carnage cause a knife is silent while a gun makes noise. The knife guy could be cutting up people during the mass chaos.

Just look at all the knife attacks in Britain and Israel you see knife attacks everyday!

 

[DeadPresident]

Well a guy with a gun can certainly cause more damage but a guy with a knife can cause just as much carnage cause a knife is silent while a gun makes noise. The knife guy could be cutting up people during the mass chaos

...You did not just post this absolute horse ****...?

"The knife guy could be cutting up people during the mass chaos"...Am I in the twilight zone?

I think you're confusing Splinter Cell with real life.

 

[herakles]

...You did not just post this absolute horse ****...?

"The knife guy could be cutting up people during the mass chaos"...Am I in the twilight zone?

I think you're confusing Splinter Cell with real life.

Look at all the knife attacks in Israel. See how many people are getting knifed. Now have a concerted effort of 2-5 guys with knives in a crowded shopping mall or subway and you have dozens of people dead or hurt.

Also please reframe from using insults and curses words! Talk like an adult!

 

[DeadPresident]

Look at all the knife attacks in Israel. See how many people are getting knifed. Now have a concerted effort of 2-5 guys with knives in a crowded shopping mall or subway and you have dozens of people dead or hurt.

Also please reframe from using insults and curses words! Talk like an adult!

Ah, so we're going to have the dreaded Israeli Knife Squad running around, are we?

Look, you can spin and semantically manipulate it how you want, knives are never going to be able to do as much damage as quickly as firearms can. The very fact that you had to say "concerted effort of 2-5 guys" indicates how laughable a proposition it is. Yeah, sure, you could have dozens dead or hurt. Or a single guy with a gun could end up with dozens dead or hurt...you know, like what's been happening frequently over the last 15 years?

What you're talking about, with a 2-5 guy scenario is a terrorist incident. I don't think 2-5 emotionally and psychologically unhinged guys are going to get together on a message board and go "Hey, do you guys feel like stabbing up a mall in like a week?". You're making up theoretical scenarios with absolutely zero basis in reality.

P.S, I used a censored curse word, I didn't insult anyone

 

[herakles]

Ah, so we're going to have the dreaded Israeli Knife Squad running around, are we?

Look, you can spin and semantically manipulate it how you want, knives are never going to be able to do as much damage as quickly as firearms can. The very fact that you had to say "concerted effort of 2-5 guys" indicates how laughable a proposition it is. Yeah, sure, you could have dozens dead or hurt. Or a single guy with a gun could end up with dozens dead or hurt...you know, like what's been happening frequently over the last 15 years?

What you're talking about, with a 2-5 guy scenario is a terrorist incident. I don't think 2-5 emotionally and psychologically unhinged guys are going to get together on a message board and go "Hey, do you guys feel like stabbing up a mall in like a week?". You're making up theoretical scenarios with absolutely zero basis in reality.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/index.html


https://answers.yahoo.com/question/...hTeM&p=how many people are attacked by knives

NOT exactly is rarely you would like to think.

P.S, I used a censored curse word, I didn't insult anyone

Juts because you used a "censored" word does not mean you are acting in a adult like manner.

 

[moviedoors]

Have you ever been attacked but a guy with a knife? Not exactly easier to defend against.

But a hell of a lot easier to survive.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Knife vs a heavy object you can throw / hit someone with, you have a chance. Gun vs that object? **** out of luck.

 

[KevanG]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/index.html


https://answers.yahoo.com/question/...hTeM&p=how many people are attacked by knives

NOT exactly is rarely you would like to think.


Juts because you used a "censored" word does not mean you are acting in a adult like manner.

Anywho, if its one on one with one guy with a knife then he may have only a few inches to a foot reach on you. He has to get close to hurt you and that means you can hurt him back if you're careful.

With guns he could be dozens of meters away and you have no chance to defend yourself. Thats the big difference between gun and knife attacks.

 

[herakles]

But a hell of a lot easier to survive.

NOT really. Stab wounds are NASTY

 

[herakles]

Anywho, if its one on one with one guy with a knife then he may have only a few inches to a foot reach on you. He has to get close to hurt you and that means you can hurt him back if you're careful.

With guns he could be dozens of meters away and you have no chance to defend yourself. Thats the big difference between gun and knife attacks.

hahahaha have you ever been in a fight where sticks are used. You will be covering up. This isn't the movies people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCrulYp4uWw

watch from 1:30 on.

 

[herakles]

Knife vs a heavy object you can throw / hit someone with, you have a chance. Gun vs that object? **** out of luck.

The only you could have is if you are in better shape and can run faster other than that you are all delusional...

Ask any REAL actual military person who has had hand to hand combat training.

OK let me clear. Guns are deadlier than knives BUT the only chance you have is being able to outrun the attacker.

 

[KevanG]

hahahaha have you ever been in a fight where sticks are used. You will be covering up. This isn't the movies people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCrulYp4uWw

watch from 1:30 on.

Have you ever had a guy come at you with a knife? I have. I managed to grab him by the forearm when he tried to cut me and I beat the **** out of him. So shut the **** up you pompous *****ebag. I did get hurt by the knife yes, but I hurt him more. I did have a height/weight advantage but he was armed so I didn't feel bad about it.

Guess what? Most of these idiots with knives aren't trained assassins but idiots with a knife. You can defend yourself from them.

 

[herakles]

Have you ever had a guy come at you with a knife? I have. I managed to grab him by the forearm when he tried to cut me and I beat the **** out of him. So shut the **** up you pompous *****ebag. I did get hurt by the knife yes, but I hurt him more. I did have a height/weight advantage but he was armed so I didn't feel bad about it.

Guess what? Most of these idiots with knives aren't trained assassins but idiots with a knife. You can defend yourself from them.

I call BS.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The only you could have is if you are in better shape and can run faster other than that you are all delusional...

Ask any REAL actual military person who has had hand to hand combat training.

The average person doesn't have military training.

Any idiot with a gun can kill.

Mass stabbings happen. Look at them. Then think what would happen if that guy had a gun.

There was a mass stabbing at a high school in Pennsylvania last year. A student stabbed 20 people before he was subdued. Plenty of injuries, but nobody died.

Now imagine if that student had brought a gun.

 

[herakles]

The average person doesn't have military training.

Any idiot with a gun can kill.

Mass stabbings happen. Look at them. Then think what would happen if that guy had a gun.

There was a mass stabbing at a high school in Pennsylvania last year. A student stabbed 20 people before he was subdued. Plenty of injuries, but nobody died.

Now imagine if that student had brought a gun.

The average idiot can stab the **** out of you unless you are KevanG cause he is ****ing superman and chuck norris all rolled into one body.

Put it this way I will not go into my stupid youth but I have eye witness experience on who know knife attacks can be horrific.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I think you misunderstand me. I am not saying knife attacks aren't bad. I am saying guns are a hell lot worse.

If someone pulls a knife on you, you have a lot higher chance of survival than if someone pulls out a gun (as in virtually none).

 

[KevanG]

Edit: He's not worth my time.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Kevan, don't get banned over this stupid thread.

 

[KevanG]

The average idiot can stab the **** out of you unless you are KevanG cause he is ****ing superman and chuck norris all rolled into one body.

Put it this way I will not go into my stupid youth but I have eye witness experience on who know knife attacks can be horrific.

Really? How old are you? You sound like you're 13. Petulant child.

 

[Siby]

The average idiot can stab the **** out of you unless you are KevanG cause he is ****ing superman and chuck norris all rolled into one body.

Put it this way I will not go into my stupid youth but I have eye witness experience on who know knife attacks can be horrific.

Are you being obstinate regarding the severity of outcomes from a knife attack versus a gun attack? There are many real life examples of people trying to kill people with knives but the fact is very few die in those attacks. No one is saying that the severity of injuries is non-existent but when compared to someone with a gun you will have more people dead than simply injured.

When I was in NJ I worked with the medical examiner's office all over the state. Newark was known for gun violence and Camden was known for knife attacks. There were far more deaths with guns than there were with knives.

It's just a point of fact that you can kill more people, kill faster, and from a longer distance with a gun than you can with a knife.

 

[DeadPresident]

The real reason that this discussion is one of the most asinine things I've ever seen, and why I'm hoping herakles is actually on an elaborate, drunk troll is the following: At some point some violent conquerors, rapers, and pillagers sat down and said:

"You know what? Knifing people takes too long. Sure, swords are an improvement, but they're really just long knives, aren't they?"

"Yeah, that's true, I like the extra range though"

"Yeah, that helps"

"Hey, but what if we invented something that could, you know, like, hold about 12-20 little knives, and you could propel them out at unthinkable speeds?"

"Whoa..."

"Like...a God-level knife thrower?"

"Yes, yes, exactly"

Yeah, that's a gun.

 

[Charlatan]

Here's something to debate. Insurance for gun owners. Should gun owners be required to carry insurance to cover anything bad that might happen associated with their gun?

Example: A man was handling his gun in his apartment and shot himself in the foot and it went through the floor and hit a kid in the apt below while they were in bed.

Now I am of the mindset that there is no such thing as an "accident" with a gun. Oh sure you may not have meant for it to go off but ,and pay attention here, they do not go off on their own. Somehow he was mishandling the gun.

We've seen it time and again people improperly secure their weapons and kids get their hands on them ,or they themselves mishandle them and "accidents" occur.

So above and beyond a civil suit for damages I think it would be a great idea if we could require gun owners to have insurance to cover such things. And there should also be minimum charges for reckless endangerment,negligent homicide etc.. that are mandatorily applied to such "accidents" also.