The Guns thread

[herakles]

if not a gun ban, comprehensive regulations

the San Bernadino shooters got their weapons from an online wholesaler

that should not be happening

Where did you get that info. I heard they got the guns legally in CA and illegally modified them afterwards.

 

[DarkKnight]

if not a gun ban, comprehensive regulations

the San Bernadino shooters got their weapons from an online wholesaler

that should not be happening

They may have been bought through an online wholesaler but the firearms would still have to be shipped and transferred through a FFL Gun Dealer or Gun Shop which would still require a background check. Which is perfectly legal. You make it sound like they purchased them from ebay and they were shipped right to their doorstep. It does NOT work that way.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

if not a gun ban, comprehensive regulations

the San Bernadino shooters got their weapons from an online wholesaler

that should not be happening

It's appearing now that the male shooter bought the rifles from a HS friend of his who had bought them 3 years ago. That means the only guns they had to buy from a gun store were the 2 pistols. Not sure where you're getting the online wholesaler part if those are the ways they got the guns. Even if someone did go through an online store, the guns would have to be shipped to another licensed firearms dealer and the buyer(s) would then go through a background check there.

 

[DarkKnight]

It's appearing now that the male shooter bought the rifles from a HS friend of his who had bought them 3 years ago. That means the only guns they had to buy from a gun store were the 2 pistols. Not sure where you're getting the online wholesaler part if those are the ways they got the guns. Even if someone did go through an online store, the guns would have to be shipped to another licensed firearms dealer and the buyer(s) would then go through a background check there.

Even if he bought the rifles from a friend it is still California state law to transfer the firearm from one person to another through a FFL Licensed firearms dealer. Not doing so is against California law. Some states have different privat party firearm selling laws that do not require the transfer. But California does.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Even if he bought the rifles from a friend it is still California state law to transfer the firearm from one person to another through a FFL Licensed firearms dealer. Not doing so is against California law. Some states have different privat party firearm selling laws that do not require the transfer. But California does.

If that's the case in CA, then the friend could possibly face charges for not doing the background check at a FFL dealer, which may be one of the reasons why he checked himself into a mental health facility.

 

[DarkKnight]

If that's the case in CA, then the friend could possibly face charges for not doing the background check at a FFL dealer, which may be one of the reasons why he checked himself into a mental health facility.

Could indeed be the case. Didn't even think of that.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

In a surprising move, even the LA Times' editorial board thinks it's a bad idea to ban people on the no-fly list because many haven't been convicted of a crime and goes against the Constitution since it means someone's right to due process has been violated.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-terrorist-watch-list-20151207-story.html

 

[DeadPresident]

Hindsight is always 20/20, that's the opinion now, until one of the next mass shootings is perpetrated by someone who bought firearms while on the no-fly list, and the wheels on the bus go round and round.

 

[Mike_D202]

Texas "good guy with a gun" shoots carjacking victim in the head, then runs away

Huston police say that an armed man’s attempt to stop a carjacking went terribly wrong on Saturday night when he shot the vehicle’s owner in the head, then fled the scene.

According to KHOU Channel 11 News, the shooting took place around 11:15 p.m. at a Valero gas station in north Houston.

Police officials say that two men jumped the owner of a Chevrolet pickup truck and absconded with his vehicle.

As the men struggled with the car-owner, a passerby produced a gun and fired multiple shots, missing the thieves but striking the victim in the head.

The shooter quickly gathered up his shell casings from the pavement and fled the scene.

The injured man was rushed to a nearby hospital where he is currently in stable condition.

Police recovered the stolen truck about two miles from where the shooting took place. No suspects have been apprehended in the theft or the shooting.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/tex...ots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/

 

[DarkKnight]

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Texas "good guy with a gun" shoots carjacking victim in the head, then runs away



http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/tex...ots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/

Well this is very unfortunate. I guess the "good guy with a gun" was not responsible enough and will likely be charged. I am a very pro-gun person. Support the 2nd amendment 100%. I hunt, I shoot competition, I do it as a hobby. Any responsible CWP holder will tell you that they should not engage or intervene in any situation unless they personally feel that their life is threatened. If that CWP holder or "good guy with a gun" person decides to intervene in another persons situation, you better make 100% sure what the situation is, if you cannot 100% determine the situation, you DO NOT intervene. So sad.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Texas "good guy with a gun" shoots carjacking victim in the head, then runs away



http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/tex...ots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/

Wow. I really don't know what to say to this.

 

[Victarion]

What's there to say? He killed the wrong guy and fled the scene. Find him and do whatever is indicated by whatever law.

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[herakles]

if not a gun ban, comprehensive regulations

the San Bernadino shooters got their weapons from an online wholesaler

that should not be happening

I hope you know that ALL online gun dealers ship guns to a gun dealer in the buyers area. There the buyer must go through their state's gun registration policy.

So if you buy a gun from a online dealer the dealer will ship the gun to a gun shop in your area where you will go through your state's registration laws. After doing that then you will get your gun.

 

[DarkKnight]

I hope you know that ALL online gun dealers ship guns to a gun dealer in the buyers area. There the buyer must go through their state's gun registration policy.

So if you buy a gun from a online dealer the dealer will ship the gun to a gun shop in your area where you will go through your state's registration laws. After doing that then you will get your gun.

Exactly! I covered this as well earlier in a reply to that very same comment.
A lot of people that are anti-gun and/or not aware of gun laws and how guns are actually purchased tend to have the mindset that you can just buy a gun online and it ships to your door step and that is not the case at all.

 

[herakles]

Exactly! I covered this as well earlier in a reply to that very same comment.
A lot of people that are anti-gun and/or not aware of gun laws and how guns are actually purchased tend to have the mindset that you can just buy a gun online and it ships to your door step and that is not the case at all.

The problem is the president is pandering to these people and so is the media.

I live in California. I can NOT drive 6 hours to AZ and try to buy a AK-47. A gun shop cannot sell any firearms to me unless I prove that I am a AZ resident.

Anti-gun people rant but they don't really know the laws they just rant on emotion.

Also you can NOT take a US citizen's guns away if they are on the No Fly list with out due process. You are violating their 2nd Amend right. Now if they are convicted of a felony or a violent crime then you lose the right own a gun.

Here is a link for how you can lose that right in California.

http://www.lawqa.com/qa/when-do-you-lose-right-to-bear-arms2

 

[DarkKnight]

The problem is the president is pandering to these people and so is the media.

I live in California. I can NOT drive 6 hours to AZ and try to buy a AK-47. A gun shop cannot sell any firearms to me unless I prove that I am a AZ resident.

Anti-gun people rant but they don't really know the laws they just rant on emotion.

Also you can NOT take a US citizen's guns away if they are on the No Fly list with out due process. You are violating their 2nd Amend right. Now if they are convicted of a felony or a violent crime then you lose the right own a gun.

Here is a link for how you can lose that right in California.

http://www.lawqa.com/qa/when-do-you-lose-right-to-bear-arms2

I'm with you that the media is expanding on the truth of how guns are sold and how they are purchased. I'm also a pro-gun person, I shoot competition as a hobby of mine. I hunt. I enjoy the outdoors in general. I try to help educate those that are not aware of the Truth when it comes to things like this such as gun laws and etc. I'm a facts kind of guy, I don't believe things just because I read it on the internet or seen it on social media or heard it on the news. I'm confident in saying well over 60 to 70% of the time info seen/heard in those places have been exaggerated and or just outright lied about (whether knowingly or un-knowingly) to help with whatever cause it is trying to reach for. I do my own research if I'm not already educated in that area and find out what is fact vs fiction. Not just with gun laws but laws in general, presidential candidates and more. The media, political parties, and so much more use those forms of media to spread propaganda to better themselves or whatever cause or to hurt their opponent or opponents cause.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Presidential Executive action coming. That is my President.

 

[TheCommissioner]

the NRA dumps 30 million into the US government to stop any progress, hell they even have the politicians in their pocket holding up the appointment of a director to the ATF

 

[chaseter]

Presidential Executive action coming. That is my President.

lol. Democracy!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

lol. Democracy!

This is perfectly legal and for America's sake, quite necessary.

 

[TheCommissioner]

nothing is being changed, laws that haven't been enforced will start being enforced

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/here-are-key-elements-of-obamas-new-executive-actions-on-guns/

– Requiring background checks

The core of Obama’s move involves firming up the existing system for conducting background checks on gun sales, notably by closing the “gun show loophole” which exempts dealers at gun shows or online from conducting a background check before selling a weapon.

– Strengthening background check system

Authorities will act to make the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) more efficient, including improving state reporting to the system, hiring 230 more examiners to swiftly process checks around the clock, and modernizing digital aspects of NICS.

– Licenses for all sellers

Anyone “engaged in the business” of selling firearms must now be licensed as a dealer, which would require that person or entity to perform background checks for all gun sales.

There is no specific threshold that triggers the licensing requirement, and those who sell exclusively online or at gun shows can be considered dealers just as is a person running a brick-and-mortar store. Failure to comply with licensing requirements may result in a five year prison sentence and a $250,000 fine.

no logical person should have a problem with ANY of this

 

[Marvolo]

Already republican congressmen are crying that this is a violation of our constitutional rights.

 

[Sawyer]

Of course they are.

 

[DarkKnight]

nothing is being changed, laws that haven't been enforced will start being enforced

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/here-are-key-elements-of-obamas-new-executive-actions-on-guns/



no logical person should have a problem with ANY of this

I agree, No law abiding gun owner should have problem with this, and most do not including as myself.

See the problem is the media makes gun sales seem more like a gun can be purchased on ebay or on the internet and shipped right to your door. This is not the case at all.
All newly and used purchased firearms do go through a background check. If you purchase a firearm through the internet, it is shipped to a FFL licensed gun dealer of your choice of which then before receiving the firearm must pass a background check. However, what Obama is bringing forward is suppose to cover the "loop holes" is what I will call it. In some states (not all) when a citizen wants to sell a personal firearm to another citizen they can do so. Its called a private gun sell. At this point no background check is conducted as it is a private to private sell of a firearm. Obama's order will close this "loop hole" which honestly, I have no problem with.