The Hood's play shows up the fallacies and limitations of SHRA!

[Colossal Spoons]

Ok ok

 

[PhotoJones]

I'm serious. OUT.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Don't come back, either.

Ever.

 

[PhotoJones]

Stay in the X-forums where you belong.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I always considered the SHRA to be a gold mine to actual criminals. They can get badges merely by offering lip service to the feds while every superhero's identity and family is collected in one database for hacking. Hell, the Black Box alone could just score them all and sell them to the underworld, and that's a little known F-Lister. It does very little to actually help superheroes, especially since the last NEW AVENGERS showed beat cops shooting at Tigra anyway.

Black Box is dead and he worked for the good guys when he died. He was killed by Sabretooth.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Does anybody notice that The Hood's plan shows up the limitations and fallacies of the SHRA?
Firstly by forcing heroes/heroines to register with the Feds( and "blow" their cover), the SHRA has effectively put their relatives/friends in mortal danger( pace Greer Nelson aka "Tigra's" mother). Arguments that only a small minority of governmental officials know the heroes true identities is irrelevant( if the KGB can penetrate the CIA and FBI- pace Alrdich Ames and Robert Hansen, if the Mafia can infiltrate the Witness Protection Programme- and neither group was "super-powered", then imagine what somebody working for Dr.Doom, Magneto or even the Hood can do)
Secondly the whole"civil war" has destroyed many of the restraining influences in the Marvel Universe even if they were villains- Kingpin, Hammerhead et al)

Anybody think as I do?

Terry

Your arguement using Tigra is flawed considering that Tigra's identity was already public. They could have done that to her or several other heroes even without the SHRA.

The SHRA still allows secret identities, you just can't keep it secret from the government. Spider-Man didn't have to go public, he was pressured by Stark and his family to do so. And Stark later regrets pressuring Peter to do so. And with Tony Stark in charge, as long as he's written properly, the only people I'd be afraid of hacking to find out who's who would be people like Dr. Doom.

 

[Anubis]

So does Aunt May.

 

[hippie_hunter]

So does Aunt May.

LOL! t:

Peter should stop blaming himself for May's condition. After all, May was the one who convinced him to go public and decided to hop along with Peter's run from the authorities. In the end, it's all that old hag's fault.

 

[The Overlord]

Your arguement using Tigra is flawed considering that Tigra's identity was already public. They could have done that to her or several other heroes even without the SHRA.

The SHRA still allows secret identities, you just can't keep it secret from the government. Spider-Man didn't have to go public, he was pressured by Stark and his family to do so. And Stark later regrets pressuring Peter to do so. And with Tony Stark in charge, as long as he's written properly, the only people I'd be afraid of hacking to find out who's who would be people like Dr. Doom.

Not really, in the past the Mad thinker has shown the ability to hack into every database on the planet except the FF's and Doom. Also wouldn't people who are superhumanly intelligent like the Leader be able hack into Stark's database?

 

[Anubis]

It hasn't happened yet. So, you can't really use that as proof that the SHRA system for keeping the ID's secret is flawed. Hell, if they're so smart, they could have found out their secret Identities a long time ago. I mean, all the Green Goblin had to do was Follow Spidey home. Freakin' Rhino could do that.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Don't come back, either.

Ever.

Stay in the X-forums where you belong.

You know what. I have a dream! That all the little white kids and Asian kids and awesome black kids could hang out together and not be judged by the comic books that they read.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Not really, in the past the Mad thinker has shown the ability to hack into every database on the planet except the FF's and Doom. Also wouldn't people who are superhumanly intelligent like the Leader be able hack into Stark's database?

Considering that Reed is a major player in the Initiative, I wouldn't be afraid of the Mad Thinker hacking the database of the heroes identities.

The Leader can be easily taken down by S.H.I.E.L.D.s Hulkbusters unit if he acts up again.

Black Box is dead, and before then he was under Cable's control. So I wouldn't be afraid of him.

Most people who would be able to hack like Amadaeus Cho, Reed Richards, Tony Stark, etc. are either part of the Initiative or are good guys in the first place.

Again, the only villain I'd fear would be Dr. Doom, but he seems to be above such a thing IMO.

 

[The Overlord]

It hasn't happened yet. So, you can't really use that as proof that the SHRA system for keeping the ID's secret is flawed. Hell, if they're so smart, they could have found out their secret Identities a long time ago. I mean, all the Green Goblin had to do was Follow Spidey home. Freakin' Rhino could do that.

That and Gobby had to invent a chemical to knock Spidey's spider sense to do it. Let's see Rhino do that.

Just because Mad Thinker hasn't hacked into SHIELD database, doesn't mean he can't do so in the future.

 

[PhotoJones]

You know what. I have a dream! That all the little white kids and Asian kids and awesome black kids could hang out together and not be judged by the comic books that they read.

That's a stupid dream and it'll never catch on. Now, go segregate yourself.

 

[The Overlord]

Considering that Reed is a major player in the Initiative, I wouldn't be afraid of the Mad Thinker hacking the database of the heroes identities.

The Leader can be easily taken down by S.H.I.E.L.D.s Hulkbusters unit if he acts up again.

Black Box is dead, and before then he was under Cable's control. So I wouldn't be afraid of him.

Most people who would be able to hack like Amadaeus Cho, Reed Richards, Tony Stark, etc. are either part of the Initiative or are good guys in the first place.

Again, the only villain I'd fear would be Dr. Doom, but he seems to be above such a thing IMO.

Leader can hack into the database and e-mail the list to every villain around before the hulkbusters can get him.

MODOK also has superhuman intelligence and could, in theory, hack into the database.

Plus given how corrupt and incompetent the MU US government has proven itself, I wouldn't trust them with a shopping list, let alone a list of Super hero IDs.

 

[Anubis]

That and Gobby had to invent a chemical to knock Spidey's spider sense to do it. Let's see Rhino do that.

Just because Mad Thinker hasn't hacked into SHIELD database, doesn't mean he can't do so in the future.

Well, why hasn't he? I mean, the info on just about every meta in the world SHIELD already had possession of. And yet, he's never bothered. Too busy trying to destroy Reed Richards (A public hero.) to waste his time. Either way, it proves my point, if they wanted to know any given heroes secret ID, they would have done it by now. Like I said, if it hasn't happened yet, then I guess the list is secure or whatever that means.

 

[Dread]

I'm with The Overlord that the Mad Thinker (or maybe The Thinker as he was considering going by at the end of JMS' FF run) has been underutilized and stuck in a rut for years. He seemed poised to capitlize on the CW/SHRA with Puppet Master, trying to blow them all up, but ever since, Puppet Master just became a heroine-phile and Thinker just went back to limbo. Unless I missed something.

People have been noting for a while now that having all superhero identities on a SHIELD file in one place is risky; "eggs in one basket" and all that. Tony Stark personally protects it, but it isn't like even he is immune to hacking; Ultron has hacked his armor/tech rather easily several times now (including in MIGHTY AVENGERS). Then you have a villain like Black Box whose entire power is to hack into the worldwide computer systems, and there are others like him. CAPTAIN AMERICA showed how easily one evil telepath could infiltrate SHIELD even UNDER Stark's nose. Even Fury's SHIELD got hacked or invaded many times. Security breaches have always been done for drama, same as battles in cities or criminals who escape prison a lot. But what CW did is it turned genre conventions and expectations into some sort of thing to be negated or explained away in the rush to "make everything realistic". But realistically, all of those past security breaches would have been called into question and an answer of, "Well, this time our firewalls are updated" wouldn't have cut it. But CW and it's ilk have gotten into the fallacy of trying to use some genre expectations against comics, while blindly obeying others, and it doesn't work.

An example I always use is the fan who can accept that Bruce Banner can gain a half ton or more of dense mass to become The Hulk from nothingness, but cannot accept that his pants never rip away. Millar, of course, IS that type of fan, as he usually has his Ultimate Hulk either bound about nekkid or have to "steal the pants from an obese man" to cover up, yet he blindly obeys the "phantom mass" convention. But once you try to be a smart arse by logically debunking one convention, you then can't simply allow others to float by just because they are convient. It then makes you look like a hypocrite griper, the type of philosophy that destroys comics.

(And yes, I know I myself am a hypocrite griper, but not about established genre conventions.)

Anyway, the SHRA has always been a boon to villains. The Marvel Universe U.S. Government has always been horribly corrupt and willing to grant any sort of amnesty or trust to the worst of super-criminals before they'd ever be willing to trust the most noble of heroes. That has been true long before Joe Q was EIC, or even drawing for Marvel (or perhaps drawing period). It has been done for drama. CW took that and magnified that by having superheroes who SHOULD KNOW BETTER gladly gathering some of their worst enemies to sic on their former best friends just for some extra bodies. But then again, the biggest problem that CW had all along was "the comittee" that wrote it cared more about misleading and inciting their audience than delivering a coherant story. Had they not invested so much into making the Pro-SHRA unredeemingly wicked, as well as logically built to their anti-climax (rather than engaging in distractions like Spidey Unmasking or Clone Thor), it would have worked better.

Under the SHRA, any super-criminal could easily "profess alligance to the SHRA" and become an agent of The Initiative. This was true before SHRA (as Venom, The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, Taskmaster, Puppet Master, etc. had all worked for the feds before at some point), but became easier afterwards. In addition, a villain could now gain credit if they apprehended their nemesis hero if said hero didn't register. Think about it; any one of Spider-Man's enemies could beat him into a coma, toss him into a precinct and probably get awarded a badge for their effort. The media furthermore chooses to provide intense scrutiny upon heroes for their every error or mistake, while collectively shrugging their shoulders upon villain tragedies because "they don't know any better" or whatever self-defeating logic there is (and I know, in real life, the media does this, too, and it is ever more self-defeating for society).

In Avengers: The Initiative, Gauntlet goes a step further and outright says that a registered hero's identity is HIS OWN problem and the fed CAN'T and WON'T spend time and money to protect their families. So, really, what is the effing point? There is training, but there is that loss of autonomy. And it really does get ridiculous when an unregistered hero can get the Thunderbolts, the Heroes for Hire and like 4,000 cape killer agents, but villains can STILL go on bank robbing sprees and nothing but beat cops show up (or the hero-of-the-day). The last issue of NEW AVENGERS literally showed that cops apparently aren't updated as to who is and isn't registered because they kept Tigra from capturing Jigsaw. These are the same issues heroes got before registration. Really, this idea was poorly executed on many levels.

Granted, good books have come of it. The aforementioned Avengers Initiative. New Warriors. Mighty Avengers is Bendis' best Avengers title (for whatever that is worth). Omega Flight. And so on.

The SHRA has always been an added weight on heroes while making the lives of supervillains easier. The Hood's ploy merely magnifies this fact.

 

[PhotoJones]

That's too much text for a single post in this thread.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

That's a stupid dream and it'll never catch on. Now, go segregate yourself.

Oh no, wait till Jesse and Al hear about this.

 

[gildea]

52 begs to differ.

It can beg all it wants.

52 was desperately average with some (at times) godawful artwork.

 

[The Overlord]

Well, why hasn't he? I mean, the info on just about every meta in the world SHIELD already had possession of. And yet, he's never bothered. Too busy trying to destroy Reed Richards (A public hero.) to waste his time. Either way, it proves my point, if they wanted to know any given heroes secret ID, they would have done it by now. Like I said, if it hasn't happened yet, then I guess the list is secure or whatever that means.

Because he is rarely ever written correctly.

 

[Anubis]

I don't know, you write a character a certain way long enough, then that's pretty much what he is. Spidey's got not balls anymore. Apparently, that's Spider-Man now.

 

[The Overlord]

I don't know, you write a character a certain way long enough, then that's pretty much what he is. Spidey's got not balls anymore. Apparently, that's Spider-Man now.

Or, here is a thought, maybe the writers could actually write these characters correctly.

 

[PhotoJones]

Crazy talk.

 

[Anubis]

You sir, are insane.

Heres the deal, not saying he couldn't hack Shield, or hack Iron Man is it were. Lesser villains have done so. It's that, it hasn't happend yet. Yet being the key word here. Of course they're gonna do a story like this at some point, but as far as what we're dealing with right now? Nobody has done s**t. Tigra was public, tracking her and her family down is as simple as logging on to google and typing in "fuzzy+cat+boobs".