The Incredible Hulk CGI Thread

[Kirmit]

Yeah this hulk is no where near the size of 03 hulk (which I never had a problem with), he might be topping off at 10ft but no where near the 15ft that 03 hulk and abomb are.

 

[November Rain]

The trailer gives the impression they are the same size

it also give the impression this hulk is unfit, and runs like a pansy.

ang's hulk would own him on a track and field day.

ps, I can't believe they used a helicopter shot like that for a trailer, that's an awesome part of the story, they are throwing everything into this marketing campaign showcasing the big fight straight off the bat.

Is that wise?

 

[Kirmit]

Looking at the hulk compared to cars and things he's no where near Ang hulk size.

Well one big problem people had with 03 hulk was that he ran to fast, so I can see why they've scaled down on that.

If I had one gripe about the trailer it's I think they gave away too much, showing too much abomb, shouldn't of show hulks entrance into the final battle and yer the helicopter scene, that's a crucial part in the film.

 

[Sava]

The trailer gives the impression they are the same size

it also give the impression this hulk is unfit, and runs like a pansy.

ang's hulk would own him on a track and field day.

ps, I can't believe they used a helicopter shot like that for a trailer, that's an awesome part of the story, they are throwing everything into this marketing campaign showcasing the big fight straight off the bat.

Is that wise?

come on man, no it doesnt, at the end, when they jump towards each other, Hulk is nearly half the size of Abom.

the running, i dont see how Hulk runs like a pansy, but his running is very different from 03's, its not how fast he runs, its the way he runs. Abom's running, i like, he runs more like an athlete.

I'm not surprised they used the final fight, the whole film is building up to that point, if you had Hulk and Abom fight each other 2 or 3 times, then they wouldnt have to, but they only fight once in the movie. Marvel screwed them selves with the VERY late start of principal photography and as a result, R&H didnt have much time to finish their stuff, so Marvel couldnt start a long marketing campaign. So they are left with, show little with an "intense" marketing campaign or show alot. They chose the last one cause it didnt hurt Spidey too much.

 

[Judson Caspian]

it also give the impression this hulk is unfit, and runs like a pansy.

ang's hulk would own him on a track and field day.

At least he's not running in slow motion like it's the 70's.

 

[comic_guy04]

The trailer gives the impression they are the same size

it also give the impression this hulk is unfit, and runs like a pansy.

ang's hulk would own him on a track and field day.

ps, I can't believe they used a helicopter shot like that for a trailer, that's an awesome part of the story, they are throwing everything into this marketing campaign showcasing the big fight straight off the bat.

Is that wise?

Normally I would say no unless that last fight is so rediculously epic then id be ok with getting a taste in this teaser.

 

[DoctorJones]

Well, all the idiots got to me so I'll try to slap some sense. To those saying the CGI sucks and Ang's Hulk is better, here is a visual comparison:

While I'm not going to compare a trailer to a whole film, I'd say that picture of the Norton Hulk looks more realistic than Bana Hulk. Say, where are the nipples on the left image?

 

[Golgo-13]

All you guys that are making the claim that these Hulk shots are 'works in progress'; has that been officially stated, or is it just fan speculation?

I remember the same claim being made to excuse SM1's less than stella cg when the trailer came out, and the final product looked pretty much the same.

 

[comic_guy04]

One thing I can say about this new Hulk is that his intensity is gonna be crazy compared to the 03 one.

 

[Beanjuice]

keep in mind it was only a 2 minute trailer,there is alot more movie which means alot more hulk, too soon to judge the cgi imo

 

[dark_b]

While I'm not going to compare a trailer to a whole film, I'd say that picture of the Norton Hulk looks more realistic than Bana Hulk. Say, where are the nipples on the left image?

based on what?

 

[Sava]

based on what?

it sometimes makes me wonder if people have actually seen Ang's Hulk, cause, the CGI in the dog fight or the CGI in the desert sequence kills ANYTHING in the trailer, i actually want TIH to have better CGI, it SHOULD, 5 years and 180mill later, it just SHOULD.

 

[November Rain]

At least he's not running in slow motion like it's the 70's.

He might as well have been at that speed. talk about underwhelming.

If he's so small, why is his movement so limited?

 

[November Rain]

come on man, no it doesnt, at the end, when they jump towards each other, Hulk is nearly half the size of Abom.

the running, i dont see how Hulk runs like a pansy, but his running is very different from 03's, its not how fast he runs, its the way he runs. Abom's running, i like, he runs more like an athlete.

I'm not surprised they used the final fight, the whole film is building up to that point, if you had Hulk and Abom fight each other 2 or 3 times, then they wouldnt have to, but they only fight once in the movie. Marvel screwed them selves with the VERY late start of principal photography and as a result, R&H didnt have much time to finish their stuff, so Marvel couldnt start a long marketing campaign. So they are left with, show little with an "intense" marketing campaign or show alot. They chose the last one cause it didnt hurt Spidey too much.

looking at the hulk and the abom when they are running at each other, they both look visually similar in relation to their backgrounds. Alright the difference is better with the jumping but at first glance i easily put that down to perception of the shot.

a comic book film should never be a build up to a last fight, final confrontation perhaps but a last fight, nope and one shouldn't think this while watching the film otherwise you are waiting forever for the pay off. you might as well make the film ten minutes long and just showcase the fight.

from memory, spidey's trailers have never built up to the last fight, not in one, not in two and not in three.

 

[dark_b]

it sometimes makes me wonder if people have actually seen Ang's Hulk, cause, the CGI in the dog fight or the CGI in the desert sequence kills ANYTHING in the trailer, i actually want TIH to have better CGI, it SHOULD, 5 years and 180mill later, it just SHOULD.

the problem with ILM is that they are experts for daytime CGI.
look at ulk at daytime. he is a green big guy. but lok at the shadows and look at the skin shader.

look at davy jones when he is on the ship at daytime. i would understand if ILM did groudnbreaking effects of davy jones at night. but daytime ? it was flaweless. people who work in the CGI industry were thinking that its a guy in a suit with CGI. it was 100% CGI.

plus they have years of experience with monsters and aliens. they have really experience. star wars helped them. plus hulk and then davy jones.

again: there is one thing if someone doesnt like the designe of 03 hulk. or maybe the colors. he was really really bright green. it was a saturated green. but to say that it looked fake?

a green,purple skyscraper would look fake if done in CGI. why? because there are no purple green skyscrapers in NY. but would they be unrealistic?

 

[November Rain]

Normally I would say no unless that last fight is so rediculously epic then id be ok with getting a taste in this teaser.

a last fight can only be built up as epic if one is shown the full scale of the antagonist within the trailer, one needs to feel that he is indeed a worthy challenge and nothing possibly could stop him.

abomination isn't built up at all, this trailer is one big gimmick. It shouldn't have shown any abomination at all and ended with hulk's hand coming out of the ground, perhaps with someone saying 'incredible'

 

[November Rain]

meh, you guys can compare frame by frame stills of the film, the proof of the pudding is in the animation and this new animated hulk sucks.

both abomination and hulk stick out, hulk's head is incredibly small in comparison to his body and the way they move is really really dated.

They move like they are heavy but they don't rock the floor, it's just off.

 

[EternalMaster]

based on what?

Based on common sense observation.

This CGI is better hands down. Any imperfections in this Hulk are outdone by the dated CGI in Ang's Hulk.

Show any non-comic book fan the best shot of Ang's Hulk and a shot of this new Hulk and ask them which looks like better CGI. Undoubtedly, you (this is a general "you" to anyone with similar ideas) will get a majority of responses that the new CGI looks better.

 

[wobbly]

it sometimes makes me wonder if people have actually seen Ang's Hulk, cause, the CGI in the dog fight or the CGI in the desert sequence kills ANYTHING in the trailer, i actually want TIH to have better CGI, it SHOULD, 5 years and 180mill later, it just SHOULD.

And it does (imo*).

The thing with your 2 examples:1) The Dog fight was very dark and hid a lot of sins, and yet the Hulk 'roar' in that scene (when he jumps up to a branch and a dog follows) was inferior to the roar we see in a better lit scene here.
and 2) I agree the tank fight was the highlight of Lee's film, but again...They used the environment as an assist, with Sand whipped up to help with the effects.
3) What you do not mention is how painfully fake he looked in too many other scenes, such as just before the tank fight, when they are shooting at him from a distance, or how bad he looked in the bunker prior to his escape (the whole scene when he was frozen in foam with Talbot really was terrible).

So while ILM's efforts on the 03 Hulk certainly had great moments, it had some terrible ones too.

*Just want to stress this is all my personal opinion. Some people I know think the 03 Hulk looked good throughout, and others thought he looked crap throughout. Personally, I think it was just inconsistent.

 

[dark_b]

tehre is one CGI company that has experience with hevy monsters. ohhh its ILM.
people praised ILM that in TF the robots looked heavy.

but hey ILM is overrated.

p.s. i think its amazing that peopel are comparing 03 hulk at daytime and 08 hulk at night.
like the skin would look the same. its just amazing.

 

[Sava]

looking at the hulk and the abom when they are running at each other, they both look visually similar in relation to their backgrounds. Alright the difference is better with the jumping but at first glance i easily put that down to perception of the shot.

a comic book film should never be a build up to a last fight, final confrontation perhaps but a last fight, nope and one shouldn't think this while watching the film otherwise you are waiting forever for the pay off. you might as well make the film ten minutes long and just showcase the fight.

from memory, spidey's trailers have never built up to the last fight, not in one, not in two and not in three.

yeah, i can see what you mean

I'm not saying they were right (i'd have atleast 3 fights between Hulk and Abom) just thats the only way they can, Hulk vs Abom is what they have to sell that wont look like they are copying from the first one.

I dont remember the first 2 spidey trailers but the 3rd had trailers that showed the entire movie. If i remember correctly, Spidey 3 trailers showed Spidey vs Venom with shots of jiant Sandman.

 

[Sava]

And it does (imo*).

The thing with your 2 examples:1) The Dog fight was very dark and hid a lot of sins, and yet the Hulk 'roar' in that scene (when he jumps up to a branch and a dog follows) was inferior to the roar we see in a better lit scene here.
and 2) I agree the tank fight was the highlight of Lee's film, but again...They used the environment as an assist, with Sand whipped up to help with the effects.
3) What you do not mention is how painfully fake he looked in too many other scenes, such as just before the tank fight, when they are shooting at him from a distance, or how bad he looked in the bunker prior to his escape (the whole scene when he was frozen in foam with Talbot really was terrible).

So while ILM's efforts on the 03 Hulk certainly had great moments, it had some terrible ones too.

*Just want to stress this is all my personal opinion. Some people I know think the 03 Hulk looked good throughout, and others thought he looked crap throughout. Personally, I think it was just inconsistent.

my point wasnt that 03 Hulk was completely flawless, far from it actually, but what i was saying that in no way does this new Hulk beat 03's Hulk in its best scenes, thats what you have to compare them with, you take the best of 03's and the best of 08's and compare them, 03's wins. The fact that people are saying that 08's Hulk easily beats 03's is unbelievable IMO.

 

[wobbly]

Both Spider-Man 2 and 3 had snippets from the final battle in their trailers.
As did FF, and as does Iron-Man too.

 

[DoctorJones]

based on what?

What my eyes tell me, of course! I can actually see the muscles and veins on this Hulk. ILM put 100 layers of skin for their Hulk, and wound up with nothing.

 

[Sava]

didnt TF too?... actually, dont alot of movies have bits with end fights in them?