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The James Cameron's "Avatar" Thread

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with "Aliens", the claim was never made that it would "change movies forever", Avatar made that claim

Cameron didn't spend a decade just working on "Aliens", he did so with Avatar


it's like if I commission a painting and that artist spent 10 years on it, and all I got was a stick figure holding a red balloon
 
Some of the posts i´ve seen are just stupid, some people hate this movie ´cause its cliche? WTF? Are cliches a bad thing? most movies i´ve seen are cliche, and trust me i´ve seen a lot of movies.
 
Thats not the same.

However, if the created this new tech that allowed the artist to create the stick balloon man, that would be the same.

Its ALL about the tech man. All about the tech.
 
with "Aliens", the claim was never made that it would "change movies forever", Avatar made that claim

Cameron didn't spend a decade just working on "Aliens", he did so with Avatar


it's like if I commission a painting and that artist spent 10 years on it, and all I got was a stick figure holding a red balloon

That's because he didn't invent a whole new camera and motion capture system for Aliens. It doesn't surprise me that the world Cameron created didn't blow you away. You wanted to hate it because of the "lame" story and you got your wish.
 
Thats not the same.

However, if the created this new tech that allowed the artist to create the stick balloon man, that would be the same.

Its ALL about the tech man. All about the tech.

so we're giving passes to movies with great visuals but ****** story and characters....oh then lets put Transformers, GI Joe, and 300 up on the same pedestal

you hear that...that's the hypocrisy the internet is famous for:oldrazz:
 
Don't you think you should have watched the movie at least before you judged it?

Not really, but then again, I haven't really judged it at all. But for playing the Devil's Advocate (kickass arcade game btw), I've judged a lot of things that I haven't tried due to prior knowledge about it. I know what I like and what I don't like, and guess what? I'll probably enjoy the hell out of Avatar when I see it, but that doesn't quell my initial disappointment from my high expectations.

Also, you make some kickass root beer. :awesome:
 
I'm not asking for 100% originality. I'm asking for an ending that can't be seen a mile away.
 
so we're giving passes to movies with great visuals but ****** story and characters....oh then lets put Transformers, GI Joe, and 300 up on the same pedestal

you hear that...that's the hypocrisy the internet is famous for:oldrazz:

Transformers and 300 were damn entertaining.
 
BrettAnthony™;17856386 said:
so ur telling me you knew that he was going to die and be put in an Avatars body in the end?

its pretty easy to figure out, even from the trailers....just like Costner in Dances with Wolves or Peter O'Toole in Lawrence of Arabia...he goes native and doesn't look back
 
BrettAnthony™;17856386 said:
so ur telling me you knew that he was going to die and be put in an Avatars body in the end?

As soon as they tried it with Grace... yes.

But I still liked the movie, even if it was predictable. A good story is a good story, even if it's been told before. 300/GI Joe/TF2 were just bad stories.
 
maybe it's b/c i have never seen either one of those movies...lol but i was surprised at the end....i loved the ending.
 
BrettAnthony™;17856386 said:
so ur telling me you knew that he was going to die and be put in an Avatars body in the end?

It was pretty clear Jake was going to stay with Neytiri somehow. The how was obvious when they tried to transfer Grace into her Avatar body.
 
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so we're giving passes to movies with great visuals but ****** story and characters....oh then lets put Transformers, GI Joe, and 300 up on the same pedestal

you hear that...that's the hypocrisy the internet is famous for:oldrazz:

Avatar's presentation, using new motion-capture and 3D technology is second to none. To say that Avatar's story is as juvenille as the films mentioned above is really pushing it...
 
The part near the end when Neytiri is holding human Jake and he looks like an infant being held by her. I thought that was a nice way how Cameron touched on the point in the beginning where she calls him a "dumb baby".

Very sweet moment.
 
the movie was predictable as heck the only thing I didn't see coming was how they were going to defeat the humans. I was thinking 'how' and when you see what saves the day you can't but help roll your eyes a little, but who cares, it was still a fun ride. at least in my opinion :yay:
 
BrettAnthony™;17856386 said:
so ur telling me you knew that he was going to die and be put in an Avatars body in the end?

You seriously couldn't see that coming? It was set up when Weaver's character was killed off an hour earlier.
 
The part near the end when Neytiri is holding human Jake and he looks like an infant being held by her. I thought that was a nice way how Cameron touched on the point in the beginning where she calls him a "dumb baby".

Very sweet moment.


internet dating...

she hangs out with the hunky blue warrior (i.e. pictures on the net) and finally she sees the real person in the flesh and he's a small shriveled pasty white guy.

reality sucks.
 
when they showed what happend to grace I knew it was on the cards

I mean yea now that i have seen it i can correlate the 2 circumstances, but during the movie i wasn't really giving it much thought i guess...i was just watching it lol
 
so we're giving passes to movies with great visuals but ****** story and characters....oh then lets put Transformers, GI Joe, and 300 up on the same pedestal

you hear that...that's the hypocrisy the internet is famous for:oldrazz:

It's not remotely as bad as Transformers or GI Joe, they had no story whatsoever. That said, the problems with Avatar is that the story just doesn't do the world created justice, that's what so frustrating here, you can see there was an epic tale in this world ripe for the telling that was never developed. I keep thinking back wanting more character, more depth, more knowledge of the Na-vi, wanting more than just some glorified environmental story. I honestly don't know how Cameron could spend the best part of a decade on this film and come up with such a thin story. It's disappointing.

And for those who are using the 'nothing's original' excuse, whilst it may be true it's the execution of regurgitated stories that matters, and in this case it was flat, there was room there to go deeper, Cameron just chose to focus on the visuals instead. The technology may be revolutionary, but the movie itself is not.
 
Not really, but then again, I haven't really judged it at all. But for playing the Devil's Advocate (kickass arcade game btw), I've judged a lot of things that I haven't tried due to prior knowledge about it. I know what I like and what I don't like, and guess what? I'll probably enjoy the hell out of Avatar when I see it, but that doesn't quell my initial disappointment from my high expectations.

Also, you make some kickass root beer. :awesome:
well based on the information you have available to you, you should have come to a different conclusion. Not all the reviews are saying this is a crap movie. The majority of the critics and the majority of audiences are saying this. The Navi are so incredibly alive, not just visually, but emotionally. The culture seems so rich and complex. The movie leaves you with the feeling that these people and their community is really real. The details put into just their culture alone shows just how much creativity and originality went into this movie. Your disapointment is based on the criticisms of a small minority. I understand that even among those who loved this movie some feel the story is the weak point, but that is only because every other aspect is so strong.

I think you have ben led to believe that this movie has nothing to offer other than special effects. It's not true. I think a few may have overlooked some of what this movie has to offer because it's a lot to take in all at once.
http://www.thewrap.com/ind-column/avatar-delivers-and-may-change-everything-11790

'Avatar' Delivers, and That May Change Everything

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By Sharon Waxman
Published: December 15, 2009

I just saw “Avatar.” And for the first time in a very long time, a movie that made a great, big promise delivered.
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It’s been more than a year since I’ve been hearing that James Cameron would reinvent moviemaking with “Avatar.” That he was marking a milestone with this film that was the equivalent of silent films to talkies, or black and white to color.
Right. And once I heard that he was the king of the world.
Going to the movies for a grown-up is too often a series of ongoing disappointments and adjusted expectations. So I was braced for anything.
But I had learned by now to be careful in announcing Cameron’s demise just because his own overblown, self-aggrandizing pronouncements tempted one to do so. I wrote some of those epitaphs 12 years ago before “Titanic" came out, and learned my lesson then.
If that film went on to become the highest-grossing film of all time, “Avatar” may well bust through “Titanic’s” record.
The film succeeds where even the visionary Robert Zemeckis (“A Christmas Carol”) falls short. “Avatar” takes two (at least) kinds of technology -- motion capture and classic visual f/x, along with 3D projection (which involved his inventing a camera contraption he wore on his head) -- and weaves a gripping, epic tale.
That's what the movies do, when they're great.
The two Na'vi characters, 10 foot creatures played by Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana colored bright blue, with rabbit-like ears, are entirely believable. The technology has gone far enough to allow those virtual characters to emote broadly and subtly too, to laugh and cry.
And for once, the 3D technology is used to serve the story. Things that reach out to touch you in the audience feel like they ought to. Actually, you feel more like you enter the world of the Na'vi, rather than the reverse.
The film has a political message about America’s ham-handed forays into foreign wars -- the Na'vi defend themselves from war-mongering Americans out to grab the natural resource in their environment that humans crave. But more to the point, it entertains; the movie manages to weave the latest technology in the best possible way into telling a story.
Sam Worthington plays a paraplegic Marine, who visits a dangerous new planet via his avatar, the aforementioned 10-foot, blue version of himself, yielded by cloning and the kind of technology that only exists between Cameron’s ears.
But in short order, you forget that you are watching 10-foot blue aliens.
The flora and fauna of the planet Pandora, where they live, is just spectacular. The colorist on this film should get special mention – the blues and purples and ineffable, undulating whites – are exquisite.
And in the final segment of the movie the Na'vi take on the humans in a battle scene worthy of the best in the film vault.
So – a political story about American selfishness, a love story between a man and woman kept apart by their cultures (and species, if it must be said), and a bang-'em-up wartime narrative with the most spectacular images this side of “Star Wars.”
Works for me. And it will work for Twentieth Century Fox, to the tune of hundreds of millions.
This is just what ailing, uncertain Hollywood needs. And if "Avatar" is not a top contender for Best Picture at the Oscars this year, then something is terribily wrong in this town.
 
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