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"You're not the Baatmen, get out! I need Baatmen, where is he?!"
"I'm Batman "
"YOU'RE Batman ! .... "
(stares off and has a Vietnam flashback )
"You're not the Baatmen, get out! I need Baatmen, where is he?!"
Jonah Hill is a connection between Todd Phillips and Scorsese. He also just did a film with Phoenix. Don't be surprised when he's courted for Penguin in this. I think we're going to see other Gotham crime bosses.
Recent reports have pegged Joaquin Phoenix to play the Joker in a new DC film directed by Todd Phillips and produced by Martin Scorsese that would sort of track the origins of the character and not be connected to the current DC cinematic universe. However, while Variety reported the actor was in negotiations for the part, Phoenix has remained cagey on whether or not hes doing the movie. In a lengthy conversation in support of his new movie You Were Never Really Here, Fandango asked Phoenix point blank whether he was going to play the Joker, and, well, hes still not talking.
I dont know it could be an interesting character, I dont know, Phoenix said with a bit of a mischievous grin on his face. He didnt deny the news like he has previously, but he also didnt confirm either way whether hed be playing DCs Clown Prince.
If he did take on the role, itd be one of the more high-profile films Joaquin Phoenix has ever done. And its not the first comic book movie to come calling either, with Phoenixs name thrown around for everything from Marvels Doctor Strange to Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.
So does he have a comic book itch that needs scratching and hes just waiting for the right project? According to Phoenix, hes certainly up for a big, splashy superhero movie, but only if the conditions are exactly right.
I see it as any other movie, he said. I wouldnt say I wont do Westerns. It depends on what it is. I dont really care about the genre, I care about the character and the filmmaker. If you have the ability to transcend the genre, then thats what you want to do. So I wouldnt say, hands down, no I wouldnt do that kind of movie. There are things where Ive flirted with the possibility where there was the potential for this to be something thats actually interesting to me. But then for whatever reason they never got to that place where everyone else feels the same way. And thats key. Everyone has to want to explore the same thing or else it just doesnt f**king work. Im not opposed to it. I dont make decisions on budget or things like that its really the filmmaker and the character.
When we told Phoenix that hed make a really good Joker and that he should do it, he sat back, smiled, rubbed his hands together and gave a look as if to say, well, well see. Based on his overall response, though, it seems like this is only happening if everyone is on the same page with regards to how hes going to portray the character -- and like he said, hes most interested if it means he has the chance to transcend the genre. With a character like the Joker, thats certainly possible, but will it all come together in the way the actor would like it to? Clearly thats still to be determined.
I'm glad. Cumby was better suited for that role from the beginningJoaquin was Marvels #2 pick for Strange, yeah. At one point it seemed Cumberbatch wouldnt be available so they contacted him but it was really Sherlocks role from day one.
I'm glad. Cumby was better suited for that role from the beginning
It's nice to hear that this isn't just a pipe dream, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'll end up doing it. I think I remember him discussing possibly doing Doctor Strange before he eventually turned it down (or was that after?).
He was almost Ed Nortons replacement in The Avengers.
Nicolas Cage said:I always thought I'd make a great Joker... It would be the perfect one for me to go even more off the rails than I've ever done before and, y'know, it'd be fun.
Collider: Franchise movies are bigger than ever. I would imagine that you have probably been offered many types of franchises and/or superhero roles. Does that interest you at all?
JOAQUIN PHOENIX: I guess it depends. It depends on the character, and the filmmaker, and what theyre after. I wouldnt refuse anything just based on the genre. I think about superhero movies the way that I imagine Westerns were. There were just these comics that were like Westerns, and then they started making movies. At some point, someone came along and was like, Wait a minute, we can actually really explore something here, about humanity and the character. I think that theres that potential with any movie. I have had meetings, and Ive gotten close to a couple of things, because Ive thought, Theres something in that character that might be interesting, but ultimately it didnt work out.
There was a lot of talk about you doing Doctor Strange. Theres been talk about you and Joker. The advantage of the superhero movie is these are some of the few films that have such a large canvas to work with, in terms of the budget and the way you can build a world. Theyre very, very popular, and some of them are awesome.
PHOENIX: I mean who cares about popular? Sometimes having a limited budget might be really good. Something about having to work really hard, and adapt to your budget, that maybe creates something interesting, right?
Totally.
PHOENIX: I think thats probably Isnt that kind of whatll happen? Sometimes a movie will work, and then theyll do a sequel and theyll have a bigger budget, and everyone kind of relaxes a little bit, and then it just gets progressively worse and worse?
Sometimes. But I look at the Marvel movies, and I think that what Kevin Feige has done over there has been very impressive, in terms of building this huge universe.
PHOENIX: Amazing.
There has been a lot of talk about you possibly being in a one-off superhero movie with Todd Phillips, playing an iconic role. I guess I just sort of want to know is there any smoke to that fire, or is that fire completely off base?
PHOENIX: What does that mean?
Theres a lot of talk about Todd Phillips making an 80s movie about the origins of the Joker, you know the Batman villain. Im just curious if theres any smoke to that fire, or if you really dont know anything about it?
PHOENIX: I dont know really. I dont know.
Sure. Do you know who Todd Phillips is?
PHOENIX: He did
The Hangover movies.
PHOENIX: Yeah. Ive met him, I like him.
Hes a talented filmmaker and a good guy.
PHOENIX: For sure.
Ill put it like this, is that a role that youre even remotely interested in pursuing? A lot of people sort of look at Heath Ledger and what he did with that character with Christopher Nolan in The Dark Knight, and sort of say, That is the pinnacle, do you know what I mean? That performance, he gave his heart and soul to that performance. Some people might be, I dont want to say the word intimidated, but you can kind of always be compared and contrasted to that iconic performance.
PHOENIX: Yeah. I dont know about that movie or character specifically, but I was thinking about its interesting with comics. We were talking, theres different writers and artists that come on.
Its different than this character from literature being uniquely that. There are different interpretations. Its so interesting; I was just thinking about it today, it seems so unique in some ways to comic books. I think theres probably room for that. Maybe its like doing a play, like you always hear about people doing something, You should have seen this actor in this performance, but then other actors do it and its a different kind of film. I think that genre, comic books, kind of lends itself to having different people play the same character and interpret it in a different way. Its kind of built into the source material in some ways. I think its cool when people do that.
I completely agree with you. I think that when you read a Batman story by one writer and a Batman story by another writer, hes still Batman, but its totally different dialogue, and totally different
PHOENIX: Tone and feel.
Totally. Its also whos drawing it and whos inking it, and all of that stuff, and whats the story that theyre telling. I guess what Im saying is, I wont make you talk about it anymore, but I am curious if youre going to do it.
PHOENIX: I have no idea what were talking about.
Sure.
PHOENIX: Its interesting though, to talk about.
Just to let you know, a story broke, just to make it as clear as I can, that you were the guy that they were talking to about playing the Joker in a Todd Phillips Joker movie, where hes like a standup comedian in the 80s, and somehow
PHOENIX: That sounds pretty good.
Its how he became the Joker, but its like a solo movie. Its not connected to the others, going to what you said about how it could be a different writer, a different director, a different take on that character. It also fits into what you were saying about not doing something thats going to be sequels, and spinoffs, and everything else.
PHOENIX: That sounds pretty funny.
Ive got to be honest with you, and I speak for fandom, the people online that talk about movies and whatever, there arent too many actors who are announced for a major role and fandom in unison says, **** yes. That happened when you were mentioned. People were very, very excited about that, to see your take and your performance. Im letting you know that there are a lot of people interested in it.
PHOENIX: Wow. Sounds pretty cool.
Look for more with Joaquin Phoenix very soon.
"The Joker? Who's that? Oh, the Batman Joker," the Oscar-nominated actor says with a raspy chuckle over the line from New York.
It's a glimpse of the playful side of someone who's been labelled enigmatic, private and reclusive.
"I have no idea," he adds. "Here's my thing: I never know what I'm doing until I'm actually doing it, until I'm actually shooting. So there are several things that I think are interesting and I don't know what I'm going to do."