Joker 'JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX' (Phillips and Phoenix return for the sequel) General News & Discussion Thread

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

No doubt Beetlejuice 2 will come in higher when the actuals are reported.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

-81% (and could be -82% with actuals).

Joker has taken down both Friday the 13th and Halloween Ends and if it's actually -82% then it would nab the #8 spot from Gigli on this all-time biggest 2nd weekend drops for wide releases list:

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Interestingly, Joker (165.3M) is little bit ahead of The Marvels (161.2M) at the same point in time. Was curious and did a breakdown:

Joker 2 domestic opening weekend 37.8M
Joker 2 domestic weekdays 6.8M
Joker 2 domestic 2nd weekend 7M
TOTAL: 51.6M

The Marvels domestic opening weekend 46.1M
The Marvels domestic weekdays 8.7M
The Marvels domestic 2nd weekend 10.1M
TOTAL: 64.9M
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Joker 2 international opening weekend 77M
Joker 2 international weekdays 14M
Joker 2 international 2nd weekend 22.7M
TOTAL: 113.7M

The Marvels international opening weekend 63.3M
The Marvels international weekdays 13.5M
The Marvels international 2nd weekend 19.5M
TOTAL: 96.3

Joker is clearly faring worse domestically in every way but it had a much stronger international opening and the second international weekend number is better as well. The Marvels ended with 206M WW so will be interesting to see where Joker finishes.

The Marvels currently holds the biggest box-office drop for a sequel. -925M and -81.7% compared to Captain Marvel. For Joker to nab the dollar amount "record" from The Marvels, it would have to miss 153.6M WW and that's impossible so The Marvels will keep the -925M record but if Joker finishes below 196.3M WW then it will have a bigger original-to-sequel percentage drop than The Marvels. That I could see happening.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I guess Warner has to view Joker 1 and 2 as a single project. Add the budgets together. Add the box office together. The numbers don’t look so bad in this context. Lol

 

[mace1]

Box Office: ‘Terrifier 3’ is No. 1 Clown as ‘Joker 2’ Suffers Record Fall and ‘Apprentice’ Gets Fired​

Terrifier 3 isn’t clowning around. The slasher pic is easily winning a weekend of curiosity and carnage at the domestic box office, where Joker: Folie à Deuxis suffering the worst decline in history for a comic book movie and one of the biggest among any film.

Cineverse and Icon Events’ Terrifier threequel opened ahead of expectations for Chris McGurk’s new venture with an estimated $18.2 million from 1,988 theaters.

The next closest film is The Wild Robot, which continues to shine for DreamWorks Animation and Universal. Now in its third weekend, the family pic is on course to earn another $13.4 million from 3,854 cinemas for a domestic cume of $83.7 million. It also pulled in another $24 million overseas for a global haul of $148.5 million.

Todd Phillips’ Joker sequel is falling off a cliff in its second weekend with an estimate just north of $7 million from 4,102 theaters, a historic decline of 81 percent. Until now, The Marvels held the record among comic book movies for the worst second-weekend decline at 78 percent. Joker 2′s fall is also nearly the worst drop in history for a film opening in more than 2,000 locations.

Rival studios show Joker 2 coming in closer to $6.7 million to $6.8 million, meaning it will come in fourth behind fellow Warners holdover Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, which continues to flex its theatrical muscles even though it’s now available in the home on premium VOD. The Tim Burton-directed sequel is estimated to gross $7.050 million from 2,408 locations as it crosses the $275 million mark domestically in its sixth weekend (Warners has Joker at $7.055 million for the weekend domestically).

Overseas, Folie à Deux also fell off steeply, earning $22.7 million from 77 markets for a foreign total of $113.7 million and $165.3 million globally.

Box Office: ‘Terrifier 3’ is No. 1 Clown as ‘Joker 2’ Suffers Record Fall and ‘Apprentice’ Gets Fired

The Donald Trump feature 'The Apprentice' is among several Oscar hopefuls opening nationwide to sluggish numbers, including Jason Reitman's 'Saturday Night.'

www.hollywoodreporter.com

‘Joker: Folie A Deux’ Frowns With $165M WW After 2nd Weekend; ‘The Wild Robot’ Thrives And ‘Deadpool & Wolverine’ Enters Top 20 All-Time Global Chart – International Box Office​

‘Joker: Folie A Deux’ Frowns With $165M WW After 2nd Weekend; ‘The Wild Robot’ Thrives And ‘Deadpool & Wolverine’ Enters Top 20 All-Time Global Chart – International Box Office

Joker: Folie à Deux dropped as expected in its second weekend while Deadpool & Wolverine hit a new global box office milestone & The Wild Robot excels

deadline.com

 

[mace1]

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Lady Gaga “Harlequin” Album Rare Sales Disaster as “Joker 2” Movie Failure Kills It in 2nd Week​

Lady Gaga "Harlequin" Album Rare Sales Disaster as "Joker 2" Movie Failure Kills It in 2nd Week - Showbiz411

Last week, Lady Gaga dropped a new album called “Harlequin.” It was a companion to “Joker: Folie a Deux,” which was supposed to be a hit movie. But “Joker 2,” as we call it, has been unmitigated disaster at the box office, literally shunned by all the fans of the original hit movie. The result […]

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[mace1]

Art the Clown Surprises Fans at Spirit Halloween | Terrifier 3

 

[Matt.S99]

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Lady Gaga “Harlequin” Album Rare Sales Disaster as “Joker 2” Movie Failure Kills It in 2nd Week​

Lady Gaga "Harlequin" Album Rare Sales Disaster as "Joker 2" Movie Failure Kills It in 2nd Week - Showbiz411

Last week, Lady Gaga dropped a new album called “Harlequin.” It was a companion to “Joker: Folie a Deux,” which was supposed to be a hit movie. But “Joker 2,” as we call it, has been unmitigated disaster at the box office, literally shunned by all the fans of the original hit movie. The result […]

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Too bad. Great album, though. I’m at least grateful for that, even if the movie itself isn’t great

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I haven't seen any of the Terrifier movies, but a horror/slasher movie with an evil clown wouldn't be a bad idea for a solo Joker movie if you remove Batman from it. Make it low budget, make Joker entertaining and dark in a Freddy Kruger sort of way, and cast a young female lead as your final girl who survives the traumatizing ordeal.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I haven't seen any of the Terrifier movies, but a horror/slasher movie with an evil clown wouldn't be a bad idea for a solo Joker movie if you remove Batman from it. Make it low budget, make Joker entertaining and dark in a Freddy Kruger sort of way, and cast a young female lead as your final girl who survives the traumatizing ordeal.

Funnily enough, the guy who plays Art the Clown in the Terrifier movies did play Joker in a fan film a little while back.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yikes at the 82% drop.

I guess this hits streaming next month.

 

[TheVileOne]

As far Harleen Quinzel:

Spoiler

My reading was that she was faking the pregnancy. Harleen just felt like a fan girl who was obsessed with Joker and was a poseur. She's like those creepy women who become obsessed with murderers and send them letters in prison. Most of the things she was saying were lies. She wasn't interested in Arthur, she wanted Joker and wanted to use Joker to become famous.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Damn, couldn't beat Gigli.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

I'm not even that big of fan of the Terrifier series but I'm loving it's box office numbers. Seems like a giant "**** you" to the studio machine and I'm here for it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

As far Harleen Quinzel:

Spoiler

My reading was that she was faking the pregnancy. Harleen just felt like a fan girl who was obsessed with Joker and was a poseur. She's like those creepy women who become obsessed with murderers and send them letters in prison. Most of the things she was saying were lies. She wasn't interested in Arthur, she wanted Joker and wanted to use Joker to become famous.

I just hope the incels don't take the wrong message from it that all women are liars and manipulated and only care about getting famous.

 

[Lily Adler]

I just hope the incels don't take the wrong message from it that all women are liars and manipulated and only care about getting famous.

I know I did.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Incels already believe that anyway, so its too late.

 

[TheVileOne]

I just hope the incels don't take the wrong message from it that all women are liars and manipulated and only care about getting famous.

IMHO, the whole incel thing is overblown. I'm not saying there aren't right-wing chuds and incels out there that took the wrong things from the movie. However, I think incel itself is becoming an overused meaningless term at this point just like whining about everything being woke propaganda, DEI, blah blah blah. A lot of people were assigning negative terms and philosophies to the first movie when it's just a movie and things that were inaccurate because the movie tapped into their fears of the world. If anything that just means the first movie effectively did its job.

 

[Lily Adler]

IMHO, the whole incel thing is overblown. I'm not saying there aren't right-wing chuds and incels out there that took the wrong things from the movie. However, I think incel itself is becoming an overused meaningless term at this point just like whining about everything being woke propaganda, DEI, blah blah blah. A lot of people were assigning negative terms and philosophies to the first movie when it's just a movie and things that were inaccurate because the movie tapped into their fears of the world. If anything that just means the first movie effectively did its job.

Gaga was a DEI hire we all know.

 

[TheVileOne]

Secondly let's not forget, the critical reaction to the first movie was also fairly mixed. Except for the first movie it was mixed to positive. This movie it was largely negative. Except now audiences dislike the sequel as much as the critics do.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[TheVileOne]

"If those people came to your house, you'd slip out the back door."

Not that I mean to defend Joker 2, but Paul Schrader have you seen some of your f'n movies man? The Canyons for example? Sounds like you're projecting, mate.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

IMHO, the whole incel thing is overblown. I'm not saying there aren't right-wing chuds and incels out there that took the wrong things from the movie. However, I think incel itself is becoming an overused meaningless term at this point just like whining about everything being woke propaganda, DEI, blah blah blah. A lot of people were assigning negative terms and philosophies to the first movie when it's just a movie and things that were inaccurate because the movie tapped into their fears of the world. If anything that just means the first movie effectively did its job.

I somewhat agree. The problem with incels is some of them run with their image and took the wrong message from the first movie, I just hope they don't here.

I liked the first movie a lot but the sequel does actually make it worse.

 

[TheVileOne]

I somewhat agree. The problem with incels is some of them run with their image and took the wrong message from the first movie, I just hope they don't here.

I liked the first movie a lot but the sequel does actually make it worse.

Yeah, but that's not the fault of the movie. That's the fault of the stupidity of the individuals. To me comes down to blaming video games or movies for real-life violence. Movies at the end of the day are a protected form of art. And art should be allowed to explore unsettling subject matter and thematic material. Let's also not forget that news media was wrongly comparing this film to the Dark Knight shooting from 2012 and acting like this movie was going to provoke real-life violent incidents, which never took place.

Also, to me the original film wasn't some pro-incel manifesto. I think part of the problem with the sequel was Todd Phillips struggling to respond to critics and fans of the original, which IMHO hurts the film that it's trying to have this dialogue about the original's breakout popularity.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, but that's not the fault of the movie. That's the fault of the stupidity of the individuals. To me comes down to blaming video games or movies for real-life violence. Movies at the end of the day are a protected form of art. And art should be allowed to explore unsettling subject matter and thematic material. Let's also not forget that news media was wrongly comparing this film to the Dark Knight shooting from 2012 and acting like this movie was going to provoke real-life violent incidents, which never took place.

Also, to me the original film wasn't some pro-incel manifesto. I think part of the problem with the sequel was Todd Phillips struggling to respond to critics and fans of the original, which IMHO hurts the film that it's trying to have this dialogue about the original's breakout popularity.

Oh I would agree it's the fault of individuals and their stupidity. It unfortunately happens a lot these days. But the themes of the sequel didn't help matters IMO. Especially with the way Phillips approached it. The guy just isn't as talented as he thinks he is.

I totally agree on the sequel and that's why I just don't get Phillips approach to the sequel at all. Rather than respond to critics why not celebrate the people who liked the first movie for the right reasons.