The Last Stand vs Wolverine

[Timstuff]

i think people ***** to much about the Phoenix thing

i mean what were they supposed to do ?

have the X-men go into space and battle aliens just so it could be like the book?

I never read the phoenix comics so I had no idea what to expect from X-Men 3. Overall, I thought it was a pretty good movie. I haven't really read up on any of Wolverine's origin comics either, so again, I had no idea what to expect from his movie, but I was very disappointed with it. As a movie, X-Men 3 worked, and if you don't get hung up on accuracy to the comic I think it's a pretty good flick. However, Wolverine is being slammed by both comic fans and casual fans alike, because as a film its of much poorer quality than X3, and the reviews reflect that. X3 had a tomatometer of 55%, while Wolverine has a tomatometer of 37%. You don't get reviews that are that dramatically worse by plain bad luck. By far and wide the movie is being viewed by critical viewers less favorably than X3.

 

[Deaths Head II]

If there's anything to fault Ratner for is that he should've demanded a much better script than Kinberg & Penn churned out. I think if Dougherty & Harris had turned in a draft for Singer's X3 before Singer jumped to SR, Ratner would've had more to work with.

I actually agree. People like to diss Ratner, and while I find him to be a very mediocre director overall, I do think he tried very hard to respect Singer's style when directing X3. I blame the script writer and the studio for X3's faults more then I blame him.

 

[Nathan]

Wolverine was better than X3. X3 wasn't long enough. It felt rushed. It needed to be longer. Whereas Wolverine felt it was the right length. I believe that it didnt feel rushed. It moved at its own pace and told the story of how Wolverine became who he was.

You must have watched an extended version. Wolverine Origins feels just as rushed as X3, especially with his origin, the wars and connection with Team X told in the first 20 minutes.

 

[Timstuff]

Wolverine felt even more rushed that X3 to me, even though it was longer. Even though this was supposedly Wolvie's "solo movie," they somehow managed to cram even more frivelous cameo characters in than in X3, which left no time at all for character development. It was like the movie was trying to kick people out of the theater so they could bring in the next batch of paying customers as soon as possible.

 

[Downhere]

Wolverine felt even more rushed that X3 to me, even though it was longer. Even though this was supposedly Wolvie's "solo movie," they somehow managed to cram even more frivelous cameo characters in than in X3, which left no time at all for character development. It was like the movie was trying to kick people out of the theater so they could bring in the next batch of paying customers as soon as possible.

I don't understand this comment. X3 had way more characters than Wolverine. Angel, Callisto, Multiple Man, Juggernaut all had absolutely no character development and they were on top of all the X-Team compared to Wolverine that was Wolverine with a few side characters (Wade, Blob, Gambit, etc.). It seemed to me, that while Wolverine did have some lackluster cameo characters, X3 had around the same amount on top of a full team of heroes.

 

[The Joker]

Wolverine. It has alot more positives than X-Men 3.

 

[HerosOnFilm]

Angel, Callisto, Multiple Man, Psylocke, etc.

But there were a zillion mutants in X3, each of them played a decent, albeit small, part...Madrox tricked the US soldiers, Callisto was a foil for Storm...Angel's dad created the cure. Blob seemed to be in there for no good reason, just to tell Logan where the island was? I dunno, just felt forced. X3 seemed to work well as a whole, Wolverine seemed forced.

It's like they tried to keep the same feel of the other movies, but failed.

 

[Downhere]

But there were a zillion mutants in X3, each of them played a decent, albeit small, part...Madrox tricked the US soldiers, Callisto was a foil for Storm...Angel's dad created the cure. Blob seemed to be in there for no good reason, just to tell Logan where the island was? I dunno, just felt forced. X3 seemed to work well as a whole, Wolverine seemed forced.

The reason's for the new characters in X3 felt just as forced as those in Wolverine. I don't see how anyone cannot see that.

But anyway, it's easy to complain about all these "wasted" characters but I understand why the producers of the movie add them. You could always add new characters that no one knows about, but they add actual characters from the comics to bring more of that comic presence to the movie. Although these characters end up wasted, at least they were brought on screen which adds to the X-Men world.

 

[Mdizzle]

Origins did a better job at handling the idea of multiple characters imo. X3 was a HUGE disappointment in that respect.

 

[X-Maniac]

You must have watched an extended version. Wolverine Origins feels just as rushed as X3, especially with his origin, the wars and connection with Team X told in the first 20 minutes.

I'd have preferred more Team X. Even Wolverine saying 'here we go again' would have revealed there had been multiple missions. Even better to have a brief montage of various missions with a high body-count so Wolverine quitting felt more natural.

 

[StylishHokie21]

How did Brett Ratner disrespect X-Men fans? What did he dump on that had been established in X-MEN and X2?

The biggest issue for me was killing off major characters and stripping powers away from others, but I think that's pretty much everyone's gripe with the movie. I'm not going to go into what other users have already said, so just search through the thread and you'll find your answers. To me, this is the better movie because it didn't piss me off nearly as much as X3 did.

 

[The Guard]

Right, but how is that Brett Ratner's doing?

 

[HerosOnFilm]

I think X3 was a lot of bang for the buck. They consolidated how many story arcs or character usages that really made it into a great comic book movie. You had essentially the Morlocks in there, Beast,the Phoenix, more Magneto villainy, Juggernaught, Kitty Pryde, Iceman icing up, Danger Room, death of Professor X...criminy, it goes on and on, plus it had a PLOT and a climax.

You got a great feel for the mutant underground, a pivotal storyline that went somewhere, and you got to see a lot of mutants. Not bad for a 2 hour movie. Sure, they could've tweaked things a little bit more here and there, but overall I'd still say it beats XOW.

 

[PierreS]

X3 was not that bad.

Wolverine and X3 both felt rushed.


Compared to X1 and X2, X3 seemed more cartoony just like Wolverine.


But as for now, X3 over Wolverine.


The only thing I really hate about X3 is that there was no Colossus vs. Juggernaut fight!!!!

How in the hell did the writers miss that!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSxLKkRPwnE&feature=channel_page

 

[DDS]

X3, I actually enjoyed it overall.

Wolverine was just painful.

 

[Beanjuice]

Way i see it, if you like X3,you cant complain about wolverine. They were just about equal ,now that i've seen them both multiple times

 

[The Guard]

Yeah...no.

 

[Spider-Fan]

On the subject of Phoenix in X3, the Phoenix is hard to adapt. The films are based in a real world, while the comics have more Sci-Fi elements. The X-Men comic world can co-exist parallel to the other Marvel U characters and go into space. You can't do that on film cause the universe on film has a more realistic feel to it. Thus, making Phoenix work is hard. The Phoenix has been tried without the Shiar, and has yet to fully work. Why? Cause the Phoenix without space is a problematic concept. I personally wouldn't try the Phoenix outside the comics, cause it is too difficult to do. I think perhaps Singer would have done better as the Phoenix was in his vision, but I still feel his X3 would not have been up to par with X2. Just cause Phoenix is difficult to do in a more realistic setting.

That said, X3 has holes, but at least feels epic and has some moments I love watching. Wolverine has cool scenes, but nothing nearly as cool as some of the thing Magneto or a few others do in X3. Both have similar story problems, but X3 has more eye candy to make up for it IMO.

 

[Project862006]

wolverine is a more coherent movie but x3 had good memorable scenes and better performances hugh was less of a ***** in x3 lol

 

[TwilightPro101]

Wolverine: "I think she killed Scott."

Xavier: "Look what happened to Scott. You killed the man you loved because you couldn't control it."

Wolverine: "We lost Scott. We lost the Professor..."

I hate the "direction" they took with Cyclops just as much as anyone, but no, he was not forgotten about.

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To answer the question, by far, X-Men: The Last Stand.

X-Men 3 is not a bad movie. Not in the least bit. It's probably my favorite X-Men movie.

Singer's movies were great, and X-Men 2 is definitely better than the first. Singer's movies were great for showing us who these characters were. But what they were weak on was showing us what these characters were capable of.

X-Men 3 was the X-Men in action. All the development was done in the 1st 2 films, so while this movie would have benefited from a little bit more character focus (particularly Jean and Angel), we've already had 2 movies where we learned about these characters, their motives, their relationships, etc...

X-Men Origins: Wolverine just doesn't measure up. The characters aren't as good (no, it's not because they were poorly developed. It's because Kayla Silverfox can't hold a candle to Jean Grey. William Stryker is no Magneto - although Stryker is a good villian. Agent Zero, John Wraith, they are no Mystique, or Beast. I just really don't feel the same attachment to these characters as I do the X-Men characters.)

The story in X-Men 3 is more powerful to me, more epic, more emotionally charged. The characters in X-Men 3 are more beloved (my hype for X-Men Origins: Wolverine wouldn't be nearly as much if it weren't for Gambit, Cyclops, Emma Frost, Xavier...) than those in Wolverine.

I think the ONLY thing that Wolverine has on X-Men 3 are the individual fight scenes. The Logan vs. Creed fights in this film (all 3 of 'em), Logan vs. Gambit, Zero and the helicopter vs. Logan, these are the best fights in the entire series as far as I'm concerned. Wolverine vs. Sabretooth, Wolverine vs. Mystique (X-Men), Wolverine vs. Lady Deathstrike, those fights were way too overly choreographed and unrealistic in my view. Wolverine didn't really have a 1v1 battle in X-Men 3, though the fight sequence in Jean's house, and Wolverine's rumble in the woods are both badass (same with Wolverine's rage in the mansion in X2), but Wolverine vs. regenerating arm dude was really cheesy.

Overall, X-Men 3 is just clearly the better movie in my book. I still think that it's probably the best of the entire series. The action and epic story sequences in X-Men 3 build off of the development and depth of X-Men and X2 to finally showcase the capabilities of these characters in epic, emotional fashion.

Agreed.

 

[Spidey 2007]

back and forth back and forth...

Wolverine was much better.. and more enjoyable for me personally...

Wolverine feels more in line with x1 in terms of feel

to me X3 feels really out of place now, it feels cheaper and more staged, forced, short and rushed. it was much more of a disappointment too. It had a lot more on its shoulders than a simple wolverine movie. There are just tiny things that needed to change in order to make x3 an outstanding movie... things that didn't even make sense as to why they DIDNT do them. Not to mention Brett Ratner is just a dickhole, Gavin Hood n Singer are just fine to me, they are respectable. It sucks to realize who had control over a beloved franchise of mine. but thats more personal any which way.

Wolverine. Had the classic look and feel I was missing from the fabricated feeling X3

 

[StylishHokie21]

Right, but how is that Brett Ratner's doing?

How could it not be? Aside from the writers and Tim Rothman, who else can the blame be put on?

 

[Fanticon]

what both movies have is good casting...i'll give 'em that...in the fx dept. x3 had some pretty good stuff...i also feel that ratner tried his best to respect singer's first two movies but failed to capture the serious tone and drama as well as singer. overall not his fault and thestudio and rothman...get most of the blame...but ratner is responsible for some...anyway back to origins...man...seriously towards the end i was getting some elektra quality vibes...like squirming in my seat ready to leave the theater...i'm still trying to come to terms with the fact that being a longtime xmen fan...why can't i just completely turn my back on the origins movie or x3? and its because i still feel in many ways xmen will always be a part of me...in any form...so for as much as i hated the movies 3 and origins i mean...i still can't completely say "F*&k 'em...**** 'em all"...I just can't.

 

[StylishHokie21]

Agreed.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Definately Wolverine for me, Wolverine was flawed, but enjoyable, I literally got NO enjoyment out of X3 as it was an Abomination.