The Last Stand vs Wolverine

[Eric Brooks]

Wolverine is just plain ol' more fun to watch, period. The time just flys by when viewing this movie whereas with X3 it drags, even with X2 it dragged slightly

I think my attention span is short too though. The thing I loved about X1 and Wolverine is they were both an hour and a half long. Short films by today's standard but that's exactly why I loved the animated HULK VS as well, they were all short and to the point. With Wolverine it's one action scene after the next until you reach the end and it just flys by so smoothly

couldn't complain

 

[Golgo-13]

XOW > Last Stand

Hated everything about the last stand, from the killing off of Cyclops, Professor X and the curing of Magneto, Mystique and Rogue. To the horrible casting of Ellen Page for Kitty and giving her a large role in general, never liked Halle's Storm either so her getting a larger role was a negative as well, to the characters that were thrown in for no reason: Beast, A.A., Iceman being Iceman for maybe 5 seconds at best

Agreed. Not to mention the ridiculous plot points; why kill Jean when you could have shot her with the cure instead..? Ellen Page absoultely sucked too. The ONLY good thing about X3 was the scene/battle at Jean Greys house. And that's it.

If Wolverine had just been a little less NICE it would have made all the difference to me in XOW. Plus there was no excuse at how short the escape from the experiment was. That scene had the potential to be epic.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I honestly believe that all this movie needed to make it great was more Team X time and some more "animal" from Logan. Which could of been handled if the escape from the experimentation was done right. He should of killed like 20 guys there, not 2.

IMO that's all it would of taken to elevate this film.

 

[dark_b]

Agreed. Not to mention the ridiculous plot points; why kill Jean when you could have shot her with the cure instead..? Ellen Page absoultely sucked too. The ONLY good thing about X3 was the scene/battle at Jean Greys house. And that's it.

If Wolverine had just been a little less NICE it would have made all the difference to me in XOW. Plus there was no excuse at how short the escape from the experiment was. That scene had the potential to be epic.

because its more dramatic. and she had to die because wolverine needed a scene like that.

wolverine needs to have wet eyes and say ''i love you''. this is who wovlerine is.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I honestly don't know how anyone can say X-3 is better than Wolverine and keep a straight face. It's mind boggling.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I honestly don't know how anyone can say X-3 is better than Wolverine and keep a straight face. It's mind boggling.

X-Men 3 is probably about my favorite of the bunch.

 

[The Guard]

At least it didn't try to shove two of the biggest X storylines into one 90 minute film.

Except that it did. Unless you don't consider the various WEAPON arcs and the whole Wolverine/Sabertooth arc stuff big storylines.

Yea I honestly believe that all this movie needed to make it great was more Team X time and some more "animal" from Logan. Which could of been handled if the escape from the experimentation was done right. He should of killed like 20 guys there, not 2.

IMO that's all it would of taken to elevate this film.

Really? All it would take to make WOLVERINE great is some more Team X and some more "animal"?

Forget the horrible dialogue, the pathetic motivations, the one dimensional villains. All he needed to do was growl more and kill more people.

Actually, come to think of it...that might have made this a much more enjoyable movie.

Agreed. Not to mention the ridiculous plot points; why kill Jean when you could have shot her with the cure instead..?

I take it then, that you missed the part where the entire army tries to shoot her with cure darts, and she vaporizes both the darts and the army. Dark Phoenix didn't want to be cured. She was completely able to detect any attempt to do so, and reacted with quite a bit of aggression. It is only because Jean knew Logan and had any kind of bond with him that he was able to succeed.

 

[Adrian89]

Last Stand was ok, but Wolverine I enjoyed much.

Of course, some of you nerds will come and try to prove that X3 sucked hard and all because it didn't stick to comics and all the **** package you write, but imo it was ok as an action movie, even if it was too flawed it didn't sucked. Just my oppinion.

I honestly don't know how anyone can say X-3 is better than Wolverine and keep a straight face. It's mind boggling.

In terms of action, IT IS! Whether you like it or not. X-Men hardcore fans are just pissed cause they ****ed up the story in X3. But hey, it was still better than SM3! Oh yea!

 

[Ace of Knaves]

The only decent action scene in X-3 was the scene at Jeans house and the bridge moving.

IMO Wade's bullet slicing was better than anything in X3. And that isn't just cause I'm a Deadpool fan, I just think it was sheer brilliance. And considering it was basically all practical it just elevates it as a truly great action scene for me. And I just love swords

 

[chaseter]

^^X3 was better than SM3 But, both were poor attempts after their predecessors. And, imo Wolverine is worse than both.

I watched X3 the other day...how the **** did Wolverine light his cigar from a fire in the dangeroom? The fire didn't exist! It was all a hologram.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Maybe the holograms give off heat?

 

[chaseter]

I like the TAS dangeroom where weapons pop out of the walls, floors, and ceilings. I think it was like that in the comics as well. The whole hologram thing was bleh.

 

[enterthemadness]

It's a tie for me, I guess. I've seen Wolverine twice in theaters, once by myself and tonight with family. Both are okay until you nitpick them and think of the mistakes. Example? Wolverine doesn't tie into X1 that good. The movie was nicely directed by Hood. But script and editing was rushed it seems. I have no problem with Weapon XI, but calling him Deadpool isn't that good. To me both films are okay...but from what I remember of X1 and X2, they were better.

Wolverine is short like one poster said in here. And that's good cause it goes down easy while watching, but I'd like to see a director's cut with better story in it.

The short fight scene with Weapon XI was good. Needed to be longer though.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I like the TAS dangeroom where weapons pop out of the walls, floors, and ceilings. I think it was like that in the comics as well. The whole hologram thing was bleh.

The Danger Room originally started out as a bunch of lasers and sawblades coming out out of the wood work but eventually it was updated to be mostly holograms. In the comics it happened because the X-Men got Shi'ar technology. In the movies....I dunno.

 

[The Guard]

I watched X3 the other day...how the **** did Wolverine light his cigar from a fire in the dangeroom? The fire didn't exist! It was all a hologram.

Isn't it obvious? The cigar doesn't exist either. .

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yea I honestly believe that all this movie needed to make it great was more Team X time and some more "animal" from Logan. Which could of been handled if the escape from the experimentation was done right. He should of killed like 20 guys there, not 2.

IMO that's all it would of taken to elevate this film.

That certainly would have helped to elevate it, but a bit more character development for Kayla and Wade certainly wouldnt have hurt either. Kayla especially, as when she died, I just didnt feel anything, nor did I feel the tragedy that Wolverine didnt remember who she was.

But more animal and more Team X would have helped also. And its still better than X3.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well yea some more development for Wade would of been good. But I have a feeling we will see what happened to him in his own movie via flashbacks or something. But that doesn't really help this movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well yea some more development for Wade would of been good. But I have a feeling we will see what happened to him in his own movie via flashbacks or something. But that doesn't really help this movie.

It may help in the long run, but they shouldnt have to rely on there being a DP spin off to explain story elements, it should be containted in the one movie, what Wolverine did was very basic and poor storytelling, especially when a DP spin-off hasnt been a sure thing.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I'm not trying to make excuses for it. It should of definitely had a scene where Wade and Stryker are talking about his cancer or something. That's all it really would of taken to add that extra layer to Wade's character. A simple 2 minute scene.

It would of made Stryker a more evil villain as well. Have him basically blag Wade up, tell him if he joins his team he will cure him of the disease that is eating him away. That's all it would of taken. Then we find out Stryker didn't care about curing the cancer, he just wanted another lab rat.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yea I'm not trying to make excuses for it. It should of definitely had a scene where Wade and Stryker are talking about his cancer or something. That's all it really would of taken to add that extra layer to Wade's character. A simple 2 minute scene.

Exactly, but this would have wasted some of Fox's prescious screen time, which seems more important to them than artistic integrity with their movies over the last few years.

 

[X-Maniac]

That certainly would have helped to elevate it, but a bit more character development for Kayla and Wade certainly wouldnt have hurt either. Kayla especially, as when she died, I just didnt feel anything, nor did I feel the tragedy that Wolverine didnt remember who she was.

But more animal and more Team X would have helped also. And its still better than X3.

I have to say I did feel for Kayla when she died, and i also felt the awful sadness of Wolverine not even remembering her. I really liked Lynn Collins in the movie. Her portrayal got better through the film, and the tears running down her face over Wolverine's discovery of her betrayal was the start of her character having more emotional investment.

But I agree a bit more Team X would have helped, though we had just had a war montage, so to have a Team X montage would be too much. It is obvious from small talk on the plane that they have known each other for a while, but it needed some more development, even just some dialogue like Wolverine saying 'Can't we keep the body count down a little this time, you think we could leave less of a trail of corpses after two years at this game.'

And, yes, some more animal. Not sure about your deer-hunting suggestion, it could LOOK great...but somehow I'm not sure it belongs in the film.

For me, the film opened oddly, I struggled to take in the childhood stuff, it was over too quickly and i hated the kid roaring at the sky over his stepfather's body, which sadly became a repeated gesture through the film.

The additional characters didn't quite gel - the wrestling with Blob, the way Gambit stays around to fight and keeps separating Wolverine and Sabretooth, the disappearance of Wade Wilson.

In those senses, the movie was a bit choppy and didn't always flow well. I felt X3 had a better, more natural story flow (despite any other complaints people might have about it, like character treatments), and I felt Star Trek had an even better story flow.

 

[SymbioteKal-El]

Wolverine ever so slightly for me, just for the fact that Wolverine was more fun, X3 had more drama (never thought I would say that), but it was poor drama IMO, the bried stuff we got in Wolverine was quite good, though we could have done with more, but yeah, Wolverine was more fun so I prefer it.