The Libertarian Thread

[gdw]

With Ron Paul basically being Libertarian, he would be for decriminalizing all illegal substances, as each individual is in control of their own life and can do what they want as long as it doesn't take away from the rights of other individuals.



If Ron Paul had his way, it would be taxed to fit within the FairTax system, which he supports. However, even if you can buy it in a store where you pay tax, who is going to stop Joe Blow from growing it and selling it as he does now. With it being decriminalized, the law would just slap you on the wrist. And that's even if cops give a sh-t about it at that point.

Exactly, just like the end of prohibition did nothing to stop Joe Blow, and the mob, from brewing and selling their own alcohol.
I mean, they are still doing it today. I never go to a liqueur store for my booze when I can get it from Johnny, my local vodka dealer.

 

[Kelly]

If you're watching the news, your decisions are made for you. News is so one-sided it's disgusting.

I watch the news, I read 3 newspapers a day, and I watch ALL of the debates......

AND, I use the brain God gave me.........


Its called discernment and intelligence.....I use it every once in awhile.

 

[bell110]

in relation to that Fox News debate ...

Brit Hulme asked him a completely different question regarding Iran.

The other candidates (Huckabee and Thompson) both talked about killing them. Huckabee mentioned them if they made one more "step" being blown apart and Thompson made mention of sending them to see the virgins they talk about (that's Al Qaeda you ****ing moron, not the Iraqi military).

Paul accurately brought up information that there was still issues determining where the audio came from, and what the true details of the incident were. yet the other candidates had no problem mentioning that we would blow them apart. AND he made sure to mention that those dinky speed boats weren't a legitimate threat to our giant, heavily armed warships in the vicinity.

Yes, Ron Paul, the thinking man's president.

 

[JokerLedger]

I watch the news, I read 3 newspapers a day, and I watch ALL of the debates......

AND, I use the brain God gave me.........


Its called discernment and intelligence.....I use it every once in awhile.

Cool... now only if you did some research to add to that......

 

[Zero_Vault]

But how is he going to win, when no one knows who he is?

He's the most honest, kindest, open hearted man. I could just see from the look in his eyes, and the way he interact with other folks, so I voted for him.

Unlike Romney, Huckabee, Mccain, Obama, or Clinton.

 

[jaguarr]

And then you posted in the wrong forum. You're 0 for 2, chief.

jag

 

[Fran]

Congratulations!

 

[Matt]

I'd say the bigger question is "How can he win when after today it is pretty much a statistical impossibility?"

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I'd say the biggest question is "why do people keep supporting this guy if he's so obviously unelectable and thinks America can be run just like it was when was an isolatist country with an agricultural based economy and rights were only held by white male landowners".

 

[MaskedManJRK]

But how is he going to win, when no one knows who he is?

He's the most honest, kindest, open hearted man. I could just see from the look in his eyes, and the way he interact with other folks, so I voted for him.

Unlike Romney, Huckabee, Mccain, Obama, or Clinton.

Actually, that title would go to Kucinich.

 

[Zero_Vault]

What are you saying?

Isn't that what normal American citizens want?

NO TAX. Less government meddling in our affairs, and foreign countries?

Also, Paul clearly said our own policies is what caused 9-11, and over 90% of SHH members believes this, including me.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

What are you saying?

Isn't that what normal American citizens want?

NO TAX. Less government meddling in our affairs, and foreign countries?

The normal American citizen doesn't understand domestic and foreign politics and the economy well enough to understand it, or know what it needs. A lot of what "they" want things, ultimately, would be very bad for this country as a whole

Also, Paul clearly said our own policies is what caused 9-11, and over 90% of SHH members believes this, including me.

...And thank God SHH isn't in charge of this country.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I was debating on whether to vote for Paul or McCain. I figured since McCain had New York in the bag over Romney, I decided to vote for Paul who falls along more along with my beliefs of smaller government, very, very little taxation, a less interventionalist foreign policy, etc.

 

[StorminNorman]

I was debating on whether to vote for Paul or McCain. I figured since McCain had New York in the bag over Romney, I decided to vote for Paul who falls along more along with my beliefs of smaller government, very, very little taxation, a less interventionalist foreign policy, etc.

I, my friend, am still amazed that with those beliefs you could still support McCain.

 

[StorminNorman]

Actually, that title would go to Kucinich.

Didn't Kucinich claim that our soldiers were shooting civilians in Afghanistan?

 

[StorminNorman]

But how is he going to win, when no one knows who he is?

He's the most honest, kindest, open hearted man. I could just see from the look in his eyes, and the way he interact with other folks, so I voted for him.

Unlike Romney, Huckabee, Mccain, Obama, or Clinton.

While many Ron Paul supporters like to claim the "no one knows him" card - I don't think this is incredibly accurate.

Much of the VOTING public knows him. Most simply think he is a loon - especially among Republicans.

That being said I have a very soft spot for Ron Paul.

 

[Venom'sDad]

The normal American citizen doesn't understand domestic and foreign politics and the economy well enough to understand it, or know what it needs. A lot of what "they" want things, ultimately, would be very bad for this country as a whole

You really under-estimate the intelligence of the normal American citizen, but I understand what you are trying to say.

Personally, I think a number of American citizens are dis-enchanted with politics... hence becoming more apathetic.

 

[The Senator]

You really under-estimate the intelligence of the normal American citizen, but I understand what you are trying to say.

Personally, I think a number of American citizens are dis-enchanted with politics... hints becoming more apathetic.

Most Americans are apathetic when it comes to politics. That's why voter turnout is so low.

 

[jaguarr]

You really under-estimate the intelligence of the normal American citizen, but I understand what you are trying to say.

Personally, I think a number of American citizens are dis-enchanted with politics... hints becoming more apathetic.

I think the word you are looking for is "hence".

jag

 

[Venom'sDad]

I think the word you are looking for is "hence".

jag

Thanks... you are correct.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I, my friend, am still amazed that with those beliefs you could still support McCain.

I support McCain also because even though I am opposed to the Iraq War, I feel that he can bring some success there. I want someone who has proven themselves to work with the opposition. I support his ideas on tax cuts, tax cuts are great but spending must be cut too. I support his views on the enviroment. I support his views on immigration. I support his oppositition to universal health care. He has common sense when refering to Pakistan. And even though I support a less interventionalist foreign policy, I can see the need for being a hawk at times.

 

[StorminNorman]

I support McCain also because even though I am opposed to the Iraq War, I feel that he can bring some success there. I want someone who has proven themselves to work with the opposition. I support his ideas on tax cuts, tax cuts are great but spending must be cut too. I support his views on the enviroment. I support his views on immigration. I support his oppositition to universal health care. He has common sense when refering to Pakistan. And even though I support a less interventionalist foreign policy, I can see the need for being a hawk at times.

I know, I know. I just found it funny that you mentioned "smaller government, very, very little taxation, a less interventionalist foreign policy, etc." when McCain has been for more Government regulation, voted against the Bush Tax Cuts and is the most hawkish of the bunch

 

[MaskedManJRK]

Didn't Kucinich claim that our soldiers were shooting civilians in Afghanistan?

Not that I remember. His big thing was putting bills to Congress to impeach Bush and Cheney.

From what I've seen Kucinich is similar to Paul in most of their platforms (the only differences I can really think of is Kucinich wanted to allow gay marriage and had his own Universal Health Care plan), so much so that they said Kucinich would accept a VP seat if Paul gets the nomination.

 

[jaguarr]

I support McCain also because even though I am opposed to the Iraq War, I feel that he can bring some success there. I want someone who has proven themselves to work with the opposition. I support his ideas on tax cuts, tax cuts are great but spending must be cut too. I support his views on the enviroment. I support his views on immigration. I support his oppositition to universal health care. He has common sense when refering to Pakistan. And even though I support a less interventionalist foreign policy, I can see the need for being a hawk at times.

Thanks for letting us watch you talk yourself into supporting McCain even though he basically goes against so many of your principles.

jag

 

[hippie_hunter]

He isn't simply not opposed to the Iraq War - but he has no problems staying there forever. He is also the most aggressive candidate in dealing with Iran and other hot spots.

As I said, I know that he heavily supports the Iraq War, but I feel that McCain can at least bring success in Iraq. He gets it that the military needs to control military actions, not politicians. He knows that the Bush Administration and Donald Rumsfeld f**ked up in Iraq and called for a new strategy which is showing some success.

His 100 years comment is taken out of context:

Make it a hundred. We've been in Japan for 60 years, we've been in South Korea for 50 years or so. That'd be fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That's fine with me. I hope it will be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping, and motivating people every single day.

His plan is far better than Obama's of leaving 5,000 troops pretty much for the slaughter.

His history has not been of tax cuts - he voted against the Bush tax cuts for example.

The reason why he voted against the Bush tax cuts was because it did not include a decreases in spending. He voted against the tax cuts again because of the deficit.

He says that the Bush tax cuts should be permanent, but spending should still be cut. If you cut taxes you have to cut spending. It's common sense.

What are your views on Immigration?

I support McCain's ideas of securing the border. I support putting a lot of immigrants on some path to citizenship because it's downright impossible to deport the vast majority of them and the fact that the United States is a nation of immigrants. I support a guest worker program to help promote legal immigration. And frankly, most illegals take the jobs that me and you don't want. I also feel that instead of targeting the immigrants we should target the employers that willingly and knowingly hire illegal immigrants