The Libertarian Thread

Maybe the RNC is trying to give him a hint...?

Lol, good one, or maybe, in your word, eliminate him. Is that fare that he could have won to the people who actually voted for him, what happened to democracy? This doesn't scare you?
 
How about this? Bob Barr instead of Ron Paul?

Bob Barr Announces Presidential Bid

by FOXNews.com
Monday, May 12, 2008
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Former Georgia Rep. Bob Barr announced Monday that he’s running for president as a Libertarian, a candidacy that could hurt John McCain.
“I will be a candidate for the presidency of the United States, and it is precisely to give the American people a voice, to give them a meaningful choice so that they do not have to once again go into the polling booth on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November, hold their nose and pull a lever — or touch one of those magical touch-screens that seem to be so much in vogue now — and vote for the lesser of two evils. America deserves better,” Barr told reporters at his Washington, D.C., announcement.
Barr plans to run to the right of McCain and to position himself as the true conservative in the presidential race. His third-party candidacy would likely draw more disenchanted Republican voters than Democrats.
“Anybody who stands at the foundation of their domestic agenda McCain-Feingold, to me, can not ever lay legitimate claim, at least with a straight face, to calling themselves or being labeled as a conservative,” Barr said of McCain’s landmark campaign finance reform law, which the Arizona senator co-sponsored with liberal Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold.
Barr said McCain’s Web site and advisers don’t have a great deal of substance about how to reduce the influence of Washington, pare down its size and return to smaller government, all top concerns of conservative voters.
He said the lack of that discussion among McCain’s resources reflects “the basic premise of the senator that Washington is Washington, and Washington is fine, we just need to make some adjustments around the corners. We need to do much more than that.”
The former Republican congressman said that having spent several weeks roaming the U.S. and abroad and talking to people from all walks of life, he has heard the same complaints.
“They want a choice. They believe America has more to offer than what [the] current political situation is serving to us,” Barr said.
He said “protecting the defense and defending the United States” is a first priority, and that would include not leaving open military bases abroad that serve no advantage. He added that overturning the status quo by bringing discretionary spending under control, limiting the size and scope of the federal government and reducing the deficit are also among his objectives.
“The status quo has given us the litany of problems that we’re all very familiar with — the debt, the deficit, the problems that we see in the economy, the trade imbalance and a whole host of problems, the occupation of Iraq. These are all children of the status quo,” he said.
Barr first must win the Libertarian nomination at the party’s national convention, which begins May 22. Party officials consider him a front-runner thanks to the national profile he developed in Congress from 1995 to 2003.
Barr said that he would reach out to supporters of Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who remains in the Republican race against McCain and who was the 1984 and 1988 Libertarian presidential candidate.
“We’ll be reaching out to the support of all Americans who believe in smaller government, more individual liberty, more individual freedom, the true principles of federalism to devolve power from Washington back to the states,” Barr said. “If that fits, as I suspect it does, with the views of many if not all supporters of Congressman Ron Paul, then yes, we’ll be reaching out to them.”
Barr, 59, announced early last month that he was forming a presidential exploratory committee to investigate whether he should run. He argued that he did not want to sit on the sidelines while the country faces a grave moral crisis.
He may be most famous for serving as an impeachment manager against President Bill Clinton. He served as a U.S. attorney before entering Congress. He left the GOP in 2006 over what he called bloated spending and civil liberties intrusions by the Bush administration.​
Since leaving office, he has maintained the political action committee he formed as a congressman. In the current two-year election cycle, he has raised more than $1.2 million, spending most of it on direct mail. His staff said the mailings are intended to spread his “message of liberty.”
Barr currently runs a lobbying and public affairs firm with offices in Atlanta and outside Washington. His clients have included the American Civil Liberties Union and the Marijuana Policy Project, a group pushing Congress to allow medical marijuana use and to cut spending for what it says are failed anti-drug media campaigns aimed at young people.
Barr also holds the 21st Century Liberties Chair for Freedom and Privacy at the American Conservative Union Foundation and is a board member of the National Rifle Association.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.​
 
Lol, good one, or maybe, in your word, eliminate him. Is that fare that he could have won to the people who actually voted for him, what happened to democracy? This doesn't scare you?

Nope....because I don't think he is the best person for the job. Like I said before, you don't need to be President to affect change. Maybe that is not his path.
 
Nope....because I don't think he is the best person for the job. Like I said before, you don't need to be President to affect change. Maybe that is not his path.

I wasn't referring to Paul, I was referring to the nature of business that took place in Nevada. I think it's terrifying that this is happening to this country, where the fact of the matter is, things didn't turn out the way they expected so poof, they were outta there. That is scary stuff.
 
I wasn't referring to Paul, I was referring to the nature of business that took place in Nevada. I think it's terrifying that this is happening to this country, where the fact of the matter is, things didn't turn out the way they expected so poof, they were outta there. That is scary stuff.

Yes and I'm sure a bunch of men in suits are heading to your house right now to anally violate and waterboard you
 
Yes and I'm sure a bunch of men in suits are heading to your house right now to anally violate and waterboard you

You see, why do you gotta go there? I thought we moved passed the jeuvenile antics? I was merely stating facts and asking your opinion on it? This is all Paul haters know how to do. I presented you with a legitament question, and you made a mockery of it. Now go ahead and call me a whiny little Paulnut if it makes you feel better about your gov't.
 
Like I said, I don't hate the guy...I just don't think he matters...
 
I quote your previous post to me:

"But it's in the Constitution... how can he claim to be a proponent of the Constitution when he supports laws which refute certain amendments?"

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=14784504&postcount=120

Then let me rephrase that: When he proposes laws which refute certain amendments.

And before you can say "please give me a law where he would overturn the 14th Amendment," there isn't a specific law. "Proposed" in this sense means that he wants to see the birthright clause of the 14th Amendment overturned and would work to override that.
 
Like I said, I don't hate the guy...I just don't think he matters...

You seem to be anti-Paul for no other reason than, as you said, because he doesn't matter. If he doesn't matter so much, why even bother posting in a thread about him? Who do you like?
 
You seem to be anti-Paul for no other reason than, as you said, because he doesn't matter. If he doesn't matter so much, why even bother posting in a thread about him? Who do you like?

I don't think any of these candidates are capable of being the president. I feel its just a lesser of evils at this point.
 
I'd tend to agree with you, BlackLantern. I do like Ron Paul's platforms, however, and it'd be great to see a topic where the focus was primarily on where he stands.
 
You seem to be anti-Paul for no other reason than, as you said, because he doesn't matter. If he doesn't matter so much, why even bother posting in a thread about him? Who do you like?

Because this is a public forum where different ideas and views are expressed. You know, like our founding fathers wanted us to, and apparently Ron Paul is the only politician defending that.
 
Then let me rephrase that: When he proposes laws which refute certain amendments.

And before you can say "please give me a law where he would overturn the 14th Amendment," there isn't a specific law. "Proposed" in this sense means that he wants to see the birthright clause of the 14th Amendment overturned and would work to override that.

I wouldn't say proposing, I believe clarifying is more like it. about 2:35 seconds in, it's right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRIK2lt7H4M&feature=related
 
Ron Paul is considered a wacko because of his ideas. Mike Gravel was considered a wacko when he got on stage and accused Clinton and Obama of plotting to nuke the Middle East. Ron Paul is a wacko for calling for the elimination of the Federal Reserve, the income tax, the reversion back to the gold standard... you know, crazy things which would send our country back several decades if he were to actually get rid of them... he's a crazy because he doesn't propose any solutions to the power vacuum which will be left in those institutions' absence...

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-If we eliminated the Federal Reserve, income tax, and went back to sound money, that would be one of the best things (politically and economically) that could happen to this country. There would be no power vacuum, the congress has the ability to print money (Federal Reserve) and levy taxes (IRS). There would be no power vacuum; It would put the power back into congress's hands as instructed in the constitution. I have left some links to various videos to give you an idea of how the Federal Reserve and the IRS are some of the worst things to ever happen to this country.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jtMD3oVoRb0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=txhabgZF_gE
 
I got my copy several days ago and have been chipping away at it...I LOVE it.

Finals end tomorrow, but so far it's great.

The thing is while reading chapters 1 and 2 I thought of several posters here on the hype (many are the same posters criticizing him). He talks about the same things they want from the government.
 
I heard Ron Paul eats babies.


Just thought I'd pass it along.
 
I haven't bought his book yet (surprisingly) but I plan to. I don't think I have ever agreed with a politician this much before. He's rough around the edges as far as speaking and conveying himself but his ideas and solutions are solid. Heres a interview that CNN did with him regarding his new book and policies.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NWMDF92ZE7c
 
I haven't bought his book yet (surprisingly) but I plan to. I don't think I have ever agreed with a politician this much before. He's rough around the edges as far as speaking and conveying himself but his ideas and solutions are solid. Heres a interview that CNN did with him regarding his new book and policies.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NWMDF92ZE7c


Great post and video very informative.:cwink:

Anyways I'm just going to piggy back on my last post with another video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9SRyNxdQSdw
 
I heard Ron Paul eats babies.


Just thought I'd pass it along.

But... but... he's against killing cells which will become babies...

:wow:

It all makes sense now-- he wants them to grow into full babies so he can devour their youth! That's how he's able to run for President at such a ripe, old age!

My word. :csad:
 
He's still getting my vote, no matter how insignificant it may be.
 
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...al-campaign-forms-new-organization/#more-7842
Paul suspends presidential campaign; forms new organization
Posted: 08:07 PM ET

From CNN Political Editor Mark Preston
Ron Paul is suspending his presidential campaign.
Ron Paul is suspending his presidential campaign.

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Texas Rep. Ron Paul announced Thursday he is suspending his bid for the Republican presidential nomination to focus his time on building an organization to help recruit and elect “limited government Republicans.”

“We want to elect constitutionalists, limited government Republicans across the country at the state and federal level,” said Paul spokesman Jesse Benton.

The congressman will speak about his political plans at the Texas Republican State Convention being held in Houston. Late Thursday afternoon, Paul launched a Web site for his new organization where he explained the decision to suspend his presidential campaign and form “Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty.”

“With the primary season now over, the presidential campaign is at an end,” Paul said in the letter. “But the larger campaign for freedom is just getting started.”

Arizona Sen. John McCain locked up the GOP nomination back in March, but unlike his fellow Republicans running for president, Paul never abandoned his White House bid.

Paul’s decision to leave the race is an acknowledgment he had no chance of winning the GOP nomination. But even in loss, Paul is one of a handful of candidates who walked away from this presidential contest a winner. His presidential campaign had a broad base of support that included traditionally fiscal and socially conservative Republicans to young people who were angry about the U.S. decision to wage war against Iraq.

The Internet helped to tie together his group of supporters who joined the “Ron Paul Revolution.”

“The work of the Campaign for Liberty will take many forms,” Paul wrote in the letter posted on his Web site. “We will educate our fellow Americans in freedom, sound money, non-interventionism, and free markets. We’ll have our own commentaries and videos on the news of the day. I’ll work with friends I respect to design materials for homeschoolers."

He added, “Politically, we’ll expand the great work of our precinct leader program. We’ll make our presence felt at every level of government, where just a few people with our level of enthusiasm can make a world of difference. We’ll keep an eye on Congress and lobby against legislation that threatens us. We’ll identify and support political candidates who champion our great ideas against the empty suits the party establishments offer the public.”

Paul will not endorse McCain, unless the Arizona senator “wants to change some of his positions,” Benton said. But Benton added that this effort in no way is intended to hurt McCain in November.


There's a live feed for anyone that's interested, here: http://www.justin.tv/ronpaul2008
 
Thank you Ron Paul for curing my apathy about the system. Now the real work begins...let's go for it:woot:
 
I truly hope Americans will not regret thier choice on not nominating Dr. Paul.
 

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