The Amazing Spider-Man The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

I actually like the more humanoid look that he had, at least in the face. But he was written pretty poorly and came off as very derivative and incongruous with a lot of the rest of the picture. Visually it would have probably been better if he wasn't a completely CG character.
 
Doc Ock
Lizard
GG
Sandman
New Goblin
Venom

I really loved Willem Dafoe's performance and such, but I just can't stand the suit, that's why he is below the Lizard. I liked the Lizard design better than Gobbie
 
I loved the Lizards CGI. I thought the expressions and such were amazing. I just wish he wore the labcoat more and had a little more time to develop but this being an origin story, the villains always get only small screen time.
 
Doc Ock
Green Goblin
Sandman
Bruce Campbell
Lizard
New Goblin
Venom
 
You could say the Usher he was biggest defeat to Parker, but the Ring Announcer did get his name wrong and the matire d' was kind of a dick. But he was a thorn in Parker's side in all three movies, in one way or another.
 
They dropped the ball with the Lizard. Very uninteresting villain, both visually and thematically. Mediocre CGI, too. So, they didn't give him a snout (not that I craved one, anyway) to show his emotions and to not sound silly when he talks, eh? Let's see... 6 lines and 4-5 facial expressions. Wow.

His plan was ridiculously underwritten. His connection to the Parkers was not utilized. The best part of his character was not utilized (his humanity being lost). Pre-Liz Connors was more Doc Ock than Curt Connors (and SM2 Ock was more Curt Connors than Otto Octavius).

Very good fight at school, but... ultimately, with the compelling story arc they had for Peter, there was no room for him. They shoulda used mob bosses or something, would've done the movie more justice.

As of now:
1.Ock
2.New Goblin
3.Green Goblin
4.Lizard
5.Venom
6.Sandman
 
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Green Goblin
Doc Ock
Venom (and this is coming from someones whos not a fan of the character of the comics besides his first few appearances.. I actually liked how he was used in the film)
Sandman
Lizard
Harry Osborne
 
Alfred Molina's Dr. Octopus is still #1 to me :otto:

I didn't like how Connors kept going back to human. I'd rather he stay as Lizard until cured by Spidey.
 
Peters landlord
Doc Ock
Lizard
New Goblin or whatever they called Harry
Green Goblin
Sandman
Venom
 
I'd rate the villains...

#1. Doc Ock - Great design, challenging opponent, good arc that doesn't feel rushed.
#2. Lizard - Raw, vicious, pretty much Spider-Man's equal in agility, forced Spidey to be creative and great fight sequences all around.
#3. Green Goblin - Great performance by Dafoe, sadly was never a fan of the design and the fight sequences never impressed me that much either.
#4. Sandman - Simple but most faithful design, great effects, ruined for me by turning him way, way too sympathetic and making him Uncle Ben's killer.
#5. Venom - Was looking forward to see him the most but he was simply wasted in the Movie. Should have been left as a cliffhanger for Spider-Man 4.
#6. Goblin Junior - I liked Harry, but it was like he got the shaft after losing his memory and the entire design, there was nothing Goblin about.
 
was it me or was lizard a goblin from sm1 knock off

lets take a look

lizard just like goblin he had a split personality who would talk to him and make him do bad things

lizard's project was getting shut down by his bosses for it's failure just like goblin

tested project on himself before bosses could take all of his equipment in which turned him into a monster just like goblin

killed his bosses in revenge just like goblin

he had a personal relationship with spiderman as parker knew the lizard just like goblin

come on now really?
 
Actually, Connors tested on himself both so he could get his arm back and to see if it worked before Ratha tested on unknowing war veterans. Connors also didn't kill his bosses in revenge.
 
I thought the Lizard's CGI came off very well. His movements looked realistic and powerful. From their first clash, it was pretty clear that Spidey could slow him down physically, but he'd have to rely on intelligence to ultimately beat him.

While the character wasn't as profound as Molina's Ock, it had a more realisitc feel than Power Ranger Gobby or Blowphervenom. As I watched ASM, I kept thinking that Lizard had the size and intimidation factor than would have saved Venom in SM3.
 
Sadly, this Lizard was an amalgamation of Norman Osborn from SM1 and Octavius from SM2. He had a similar origin to the Goblin and was a physical match for Spidey -- both enhanced by a super serum of sorts. It was shown that he even had some level of a split personality after taking this serum which made him do things Connors wouldn't have wanted to do (like Norman in SM1 and even Ock in SM2 when talking to his arms).

On the other hand, Connors was still a nice guy turned into a monster (Ock), who legitimately wanted to help himself and others with his research, even acting as somewhat of a teacher/mentor to Peter at first. He also 'turns good' at the end and 'saves the day'...just like Ock did.


I was beyond disappointed with the Lizard and there MUST be a stronger villain for a sequel to work.
 
Ya know, I'm really rooting for Electro, Kraven, and maybe Chameleon as villains in some of the films.

Especially Kraven.
 
Sadly, this Lizard was an amalgamation of Norman Osborn from SM1 and Octavius from SM2. He had a similar origin to the Goblin and was a physical match for Spidey -- both enhanced by a super serum of sorts. It was shown that he even had some level of a split personality after taking this serum which made him do things Connors wouldn't have wanted to do (like Norman in SM1 and even Ock in SM2 when talking to his arms).

On the other hand, Connors was still a nice guy turned into a monster (Ock), who legitimately wanted to help himself and others with his research, even acting as somewhat of a teacher/mentor to Peter at first. He also 'turns good' at the end and 'saves the day'...just like Ock did.


I was beyond disappointed with the Lizard and there MUST be a stronger villain for a sequel to work.

I just don't think the Lizard was the best choice for the film at all, but anyway im sure we'll get a much better villain in the sequel
 
Wasn't Norman in SM1 pretty much how Lizard was in the comics?
 
Lizard was just horrible in the movie. Boring fight scenes, didn't even look like Lizard from comics, and overall uninteresting interpretation of Lizard character.
Even Sandman was lot better than Lizard because at least Sandman's visuals looked amazing.
So, this would be my ranking.
-Green Goblin, Doc Octopus > Sandman > Lizard, Venom, New Goblin.
 
1.Doctor Octopus: Not close to comic book Ock at all, but he works for the context of the story. He's used as a mirror to Peter someone who's making all the same mistakes he is and helps him grow as a person. There's really nothing here that should make us like him anymore than any of the other villains but the way he's used, our subconscious connects him to Peter since he's going through the same arc he is. He sums up the theme of the movie beautifully as well with the line "but it's my dream".

2. Green Goblin: He is Peter's greatest fear realized and a perfect villain for the movie with the message they were trying to send. You do not what's right for you but what's right for others, with great power comes a great responsibility to the world, because the ones you love will always be the ones who pay. Uncle Ben died because Peter was irresponsible and paid for Peters mistake, and once Goblin finds out Peter's identity he is quick to attack those he loves, to make them suffer for him. This is twisted and great.

3. Harry Osborn: Note I say Harry NOT NEW GOBLIN. Harry is a twisted product of Norman Osborn's neglect and a son's desire to make his only parent say he's proud. Through all of the first film Norman speaks to Harry like he's a little boy or an embarrassment, then the last time he speaks to him he tells him just how proud of him he is (unknowing it is because he has given him the key to get to Peter). You can see the pride on his face and the he's finally made his father happy, then the next time he see's him he's dead being laid on his bed. He's a psychotic wreck and he's a perfect example of those suffering for Peter. "...I swear one day Spider-Man will pay...You're all I have left Peter", even though that quote is from the first it sums up his role in the second film brilliantly and why I put him at 3rd.

4. Venom: This is tough he's not done as well as he could be but the way he's used is effective. Spider-Man 3s biggest problems lie in the fact it shifts too far from the original vision of the previous films being, "a story about a girl". In the middle of the film it really doesn't seem like it knows what its doing at all. Regardless by the final act when Venom shows up they have a little bit of a better idea. The theme is trying to be Revenge. Venom is Peter's darkness that he had to let go of, but Eddie is someone who refuses to change and let's revenge consume his life. By jumping into the symbiote he symbolizes that he is clinging onto his hate and his grudges, something that leads to his demise. (I will note I prefer his death in the novelization, being consumed by the symbiote, a better more realistic take on the metaphor than the suicide.)

5. The Lizard: He isn't much more than Peters token adversary, but he isn't made to be much more than that anyway. I guess in away he's what Peter could become, most of his scenes where he has meaningful dialogue with Peter post transformation were cut. Anyway the fact Peter gave him the formula compliments what Uncle Ben and Captain Stacy taught him, that he needs to be responsible and help others, prove he is a hero. He's bellow the others because he could be easily exchangeable, but they didn't do anything bad either so he's above the bellow mistakes.

6. New Goblin:: He is an unfortunate side effect of the film. It seems to me he's like a child conceived in an affair that a husband now has to take care of, an obligation. After the changes were made to Spider-Man 3 Raimi had to drop Vulture but after the cliffhanger at the end of the last film he was stuck with this lose end to tie. It looks to me like he tried to tie it into the whole Revenge theme by making him a personal menace to Peter, rather than a super villain. You will notice he commits no crime besides assault and blackmail and he is never on screen while Peter is fully masked. However he learns his lesson after doing nothing but breaking up Peter and his girlfriend, yet for some reason the plot makes him die...Maybe he's paying for Peter's mistakes but since the movie is a commentary on revenge that doesn't cut it for an explanation. On top of all that he's knocked out of the plot of the majority of the movie because, since they can't get rid of him they need to get him out of the way. Also his origin is extremely rushed and he isn't anywhere near as mad as Norman was. Very very anticlimactic.

7.The Sandman: Probably the biggest contrivance in any of the films, Sandman is Uncle Ben's true killer in an attempt to book end the trilogy. However his character is ruined by the fact he should not be there. Really he has no purpose in final product. I'm sure he did in Raimi's symbioteless script for Spider-Man 3, but he is just out of place here entirely. He's someone for Peter to take revenge on and an attempt to tie together all three films, but this role is also filled by Harry. Harry has a revenge arc has been going on since the end of the first installment and Peter tries to take Revenge on him at some point. Venom symbolizing refusal to give up the grudge and Harry making the decision too late (even though he didn't) were the only roles necessary for the plot. Raimi and Tobey should have just sucked it up and saved him for #4 (which might have been there if Sandman wasn't here).

Anyway the Lizard wasn't bad but thats because he wasn't developed particularly much at all (good or bad). The scenes with his family would have helped and I don't care what you say tampering or not, there were some good lines from the trailers they cut out of the final cut that would have DEFINITELY helped. Plus I could have added Dr.Raffa as I found him to be a very interesting antagonist with a very cold presence. Whatever, just my two-cents on the issue.
 
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Lizard is a cool villain, not great but not bad, has cool fight scenes and I personally like the look, but in the end he's there just to serve Peter's story. I love the movie for what it is, but I could choose, this would've been fully Connors' and Peter's story at the same time, because those two characters do parallel each other. Both Peter and Connors have a missing piece, both get powers, and the rest is how they deal with those powers. Connors can't control himself as the lizard, but he doesn't want to let it go because he doesn't feel weak anymore. Peter can control his powers, but he doesn't get a free pass because of that, he kinda has a bigger responsibility BECAUSE he can control his powers
 
was it me or was lizard a goblin from sm1 knock off

lets take a look

lizard just like goblin he had a split personality who would talk to him and make him do bad things

lizard's project was getting shut down by his bosses for it's failure just like goblin

tested project on himself before bosses could take all of his equipment in which turned him into a monster just like goblin

killed his bosses in revenge just like goblin

he had a personal relationship with spiderman as parker knew the lizard just like goblin

come on now really?

I don't think that was specifically done to copy the '02 film. That a villian archeotype: brilliant man works with some kind of science, then his creation turns him evil. Ock, Lizard, and Gobby are all similar in that aspect.
 
Let me see...
1- Green Goblin
2- Lizard
3- Doc Ock
4- Harry
5- Venom
7- Sandman
 
1- Doc Ock
2- Lizard
3- New Goblin/Green Goblin
4- Venom
5- Sandman
 
Regarding the Lizard, it's like they kept teasing us with the classic labcoat look but it kept getting either blown off my bullets or torn off by the Lizard himself. It's almost as if they had a max legally binding amount of screentime allowed for the labcoat in each scene XD
 

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