The Amazing Spider-Man The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

I thought he was a Doc Ock Clone...
I still think Doc Ock was more believable. His obsession was based on obtaining a life goal.
Lizard man kinda reminded me of Iron Man's villian on how he went crazy/megalomania for no real reason.
Maybe if the serum had psychological side effects, but the movie never hinted to it.
The schizo also sorta came outta nowhere.

Is the Amazing Spiderman > Spider Man 2 ? Yes, I kinda feel altogether it was a better movie. But I don't know if Doc ock was topped from a character development perspective.

The acting was believable and solid.
This is why I hate what they did to Doc Ock in SM2. They completely stole the Lizard storyline and now people think Lizard is a Doc Ock copy where really it's the opposite! Doc Ock isn't supposed to be a sympathetic scientist gone wrong, he's supposed to be an evil mastermind!
 
This is why I hate what they did to Doc Ock in SM2. They completely stole the Lizard storyline and now people think Lizard is a Doc Ock copy where really it's the opposite! Doc Ock isn't supposed to be a sympathetic scientist gone wrong, he's supposed to be an evil mastermind!

But thats what I LOVE so much about Rami's films is that he gave all the villians a heart. They were so much more than just the evil villians, but rather actual characters with personality and character arcs. Thats why the Lizard kinda failed for me in TASM because he did come off as a clone of what Rami did with the Ock character in SM2. I know thats not the case for the comic Lizard but for a filn that so despertly wanted to seperate its self from the "awful" Rami films that were praised during their time but are now treated as totall garbage by the general public and most of the internet, it pretty much did everything the same as Rami did. The changes made to Spidey's origins I'm not a huge fan of but ok I was sold on the idea and looking forward to seeing it play out on the big screen. But sadly half of the scenes and plot involving Peter's and Spider Man's connections with his parents were missing from the final film. This hurts the film and really dissapoints me. We didn't really get the film we were promised but rather a compromised work. I REALLY want an exteneded cut so bad.
 
But thats what I LOVE so much about Rami's films is that he gave all the villians a heart. They were so much more than just the evil villians, but rather actual characters with personality and character arcs. Thats why the Lizard kinda failed for me in TASM because he did come off as a clone of what Rami did with the Ock character in SM2. I know thats not the case for the comic Lizard but for a filn that so despertly wanted to seperate its self from the "awful" Rami films that were praised during their time but are now treated as totall garbage by the general public and most of the internet, it pretty much did everything the same as Rami did. The changes made to Spidey's origins I'm not a huge fan of but ok I was sold on the idea and looking forward to seeing it play out on the big screen. But sadly half of the scenes and plot involving Peter's and Spider Man's connections with his parents were missing from the final film. This hurts the film and really dissapoints me. We didn't really get the film we were promised but rather a compromised work. I REALLY want an exteneded cut so bad.

This is why I hate what they did to Doc Ock in SM2. They completely stole the Lizard storyline and now people think Lizard is a Doc Ock copy where really it's the opposite! Doc Ock isn't supposed to be a sympathetic scientist gone wrong, he's supposed to be an evil mastermind!


I'm with you webhead. Because of fans like these, reboots are hard sells. Because Raimi did Doc Ock wrong, now everyone will think the correctly portrayed Lizard is a copycat. Which, imho is LAME.
 
I'm with you webhead. Because of fans like these, reboots are hard sells. Because Raimi did Doc Ock wrong, now everyone will think the correctly portrayed Lizard is a copycat. Which, imho is LAME.

Hey I LOVE the Lizard from the comics! I wanted a better version of the character than what we got in the final film. I totally get and understand that Connors is not a evil person but a tragic figure, but the film didn't really convey that for me. By making Connors an agent of the mysterious Oscorp (espically in the post credits sequence), by having him keeping alot of information from Peter about his experiments and about Peter's parents, and ESPICALLY by removing Connor's wife and son they turned him into more of an evil creature. I wished we got more of Peter and Connors talking about the Parkers. I wish Peter got a chance to bond with Connors as a father figure. I wish Connors had more to do than he had in the final film. I liked him, and I did think he was sympathic when he is forced to experiment on himself to save the veterans though. I just think that he could have been developed even more. Its no secret that lots of footage was cut from the film and it shows.
 
This is why I hate what they did to Doc Ock in SM2. They completely stole the Lizard storyline and now people think Lizard is a Doc Ock copy where really it's the opposite! Doc Ock isn't supposed to be a sympathetic scientist gone wrong, he's supposed to be an evil mastermind!

I totally agree!
 
If all of the Raimi villains had a heart then why were they always killed at the end of the movie? (Well, the main villains anyway)
 
If all of the Raimi villains had a heart then why were they always killed at the end of the movie? (Well, the main villains anyway)

Raimi isn't brave enough to keep them alive because he doesn't know how well they'll do on screen? I don't know, that just makes since. I mean Norman Osborn died but because he did so well, they made him have brief appearances in every SM movie. Although Ock got more acclaim...yeah I dunno
 
He was better than anything from Spiderman 3 for sure. As far as representation of the character we got a great DR Conners and a great lizard. They did a great job melding the two togeather as well. Anyone notice the lizard using his mouth to smell? That's one of many fun details the character had. My favorite villain to date right next to doc ock
 
Wasn't Osborn seen behind Peter in the Jazz Club in SM3? I think I saw that somewhere. Watched it back and looked like him.

I'd say Lizard ranks second behind Ock for me. Goblin suddenly wanting to get Spidey/Peter didn't seem convincing. He was lusting after him as a son, Peter gets MJ and suddenly bam! Goblin wants to hurt Peter. Willem Dafoe played it well. Don't get me started on the SM3 villains.
 
Wasn't Osborn seen behind Peter in the Jazz Club in SM3? I think I saw that somewhere. Watched it back and looked like him.

I'd say Lizard ranks second behind Ock for me. Goblin suddenly wanting to get Spidey/Peter didn't seem convincing. He was lusting after him as a son, Peter gets MJ and suddenly bam! Goblin wants to hurt Peter. Willem Dafoe played it well. Don't get me started on the SM3 villains.
His first goal was to save Oscorp by getting rid of the board which he did. So all I can think of him doing desides going after Peter would be to go back to work at Oscorp. Which I can't see how that would of been much of a movie unless Peter found at he was trying to build some kind of super weapon to kill more people or something.
 
This is why I hate what they did to Doc Ock in SM2. They completely stole the Lizard storyline and now people think Lizard is a Doc Ock copy where really it's the opposite! Doc Ock isn't supposed to be a sympathetic scientist gone wrong, he's supposed to be an evil mastermind!

:up::up::up: Completely agree with you.
 
But thats what I LOVE so much about Rami's films is that he gave all the villians a heart. They were so much more than just the evil villians, but rather actual characters with personality and character arcs.

IMO, villains don't need a heart. That makes them NOT villains. Did Joker have a heart, what about Red Skull? Doc Ock should of been a complete villain.

Thats why the Lizard kinda failed for me in TASM because he did come off as a clone of what Rami did with the Ock character in SM2.

Doc Ock was more of a clone of Lizard.

I know thats not the case for the comic Lizard but for a filn that so despertly wanted to seperate its self from the "awful" Rami films that were praised during their time but are now treated as totall garbage by the general public and most of the internet, it pretty much did everything the same as Rami did.

The whole world doesn't treat the Raimi films like garbage. What are you talking about?

The changes made to Spidey's origins I'm not a huge fan of but ok I was sold on the idea and looking forward to seeing it play out on the big screen. But sadly half of the scenes and plot involving Peter's and Spider Man's connections with his parents were missing from the final film. This hurts the film and really dissapoints me. We didn't really get the film we were promised but rather a compromised work. I REALLY want an exteneded cut so bad.

Webb stated like a billion times that the story about his parents would spread throughout the trilogy. You weren't gonna get it all in one film. You didn't get the film that you thought was promised. Although I admit, the storyline with his parents was dropped rather quickly.

:doh:
 
1.Doc Ock While he wasn't the traditional Ock, His character had by far the best actor, the best fight scenes, the best story, and the best music of the trilogy.

2.Green Goblin I liked his actor's performance too. While I think a better Goblin is still possible. I liked his role in the movie and enjoyed his scenes.

3.Venom This will prob shock people but I give number 3 to Venom. It might be biased cause he is my favorite comic book character but I feel he deserves the spot. I've come to accept the Hollywood rule that actors need face time but I still wanted to see more of Venom's face then what was shown. I still think he is the best designed villain to be in a Spidey movie yet. But even being ranked at 3 he is still far from what he could of been. Should of been saved for Spider-Man 4 without a doubt. Last reason I give 3 to Venom is cause everyone else was used even worser then he was. But honestly him and Lizard are about a tie. I'm kinda giving him this rank cause they captured his look and size almost perfectly.

4.Lizard I liked the design and Conners was a interesting character. But the fights seemed short and not a whole lot of flare to them. Still though I liked the plot of TAS-M.

5.Harry I would rather he of had more of a actual Goblin look to him. But as far as getting revenge for his dad the movie team did what they could do with him. Could of been much better then him just going after MJ to make Peter jealous.

6.Sandman I just don't care for the character. I didn't like how he passes as this good guy that is misunderstood but right out of the gate he is cool with helping Venom kill Spidey.
 
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Venom may be my favorite Spider-Man villain as well but that still doesn't take away my distaste of how he was portrayed in Spider-Man 3.
 
If anything, it adds to my distaste. I love Venom, and they murdered him.
 
I don't know if I would go as far as to say he was murdered in SM3, but it does urk me that Raimi didn't like him. Kinda gave me the idea he wanted to screw the Venom fan-base over.

Stuff I disliked about SM3 Venom
Little screen time is prob my number one complaint about his treatment in SM3.
He asked Sandman for help. Honestly I wanted Venom to be a solo act not feeling the need to team up with people.
He called himself I instead of We, I know Raimi prob thought people would be thinking it was silly to hear him call himself We instead of I. But he should of put the hardcore fans above the casual viewer that won't care that much with how the character was portrayed.
Poor fight scenes, really him and Spidey did not have a single good fight in the movie. Maybe the falling in the sky was good but that was what 7 seconds? Seriously all he did was tie Peter up and taught him.
Exactly how was he going to himulate Peter when he has a whole crowd chanting his name? The point I'm getting at here was he was given poor lines.

Things some people don't like that I actually did
I love the design of Venom for what little time we actually got to see him, honestly the only slow scenes were when he took off the Venom face which is one of the best things about Venom.
I liked his size when compared to Spidey. I don't know why some people thought he was too small. I don't want Venom to look like the symbiote bonded with the Hulk.
Some people thought he sounded like a dinosaur, I didn't mind his noises during the fighting. I mean the symbiote is a alien. It should sound like a alien, not a deep voiced thing.

To sum it all up.
pros
Good design
Good size when compared to Spidey
Interesting choice for noises
I really liked that scene when the music plays and the symbiote is raising above them and Peter looks up in fear and Eddie looks up and smiles. Great Eddie/Symbiote relationship scene IMO.
cons
Short screen time
All the awesome Venom face scenes were too short
All the slow scenes were Eddie's face
I instead of we was used
Teamed up with Sandman
Bad dialogue
Not enough character development I wanted it to be explained that he has all Spidey's powers but stronger versions of them.
 
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If there are more cons than pros and more things you can put down on what people disliked about Venom...I'd say that Venom was indeed "murdered" and butchered.
 
1. Doc Ock

2. Green Goblin

3. Sandman

4. Lizard

5. Venom

6. New Goblin
 
1- Green Goblin
2- Lizard
3- Doctor Octopus
4- Sandman
5- Venom
6- Harry
 
1.) The Lizard
2.) Doc Ock/Green Goblin
3.) Harry Osborn
4.) Sandman
5.) Venom

I liked Lizard's plan of creating a world without weakness. Its grandiose in a pulpy sort of way. There was more depth to Ock's plans, but I enjoyed seeing the Lizards moreso than Ock's. I felt Sam wasted Norman too early; he accomplished his goals as the Goblin far too quickly for my tastes.
 
1.) Green Goblin (based on WD performance, the costume did kind of suck)
2.) The Lizard
3.) Doc Ock
4.) Sandman
5.) New Goblin
6.) Venom (but he is my favorite SM comic villain)
 
Appearance
1. Doc Ock
2. Lizard
3. Sandman
4. Venom
5. New Goblin
6. Green Goblin

Script/Plot
1. Otto Octavius
1. Curt Connors -- tied for first, my reasoning being Doc Ock's story was well executed but boring, Lizard's was exciting but trite and rushed.
3. Flint Marko
4. Harry Osborn
5. Norman Osborn
6. Eddie Brock

Performance
1. Rhys Ifans
2. Alfred Molina
3. Willem Dafoe
4. Thomas Haden Church
5. James Franco
6. Topher Grace

Lowest score wins:
4 - Lizard
4 - Doc Ock
10 - Sandman
14 - Green Goblin
14 - New Goblin
16 - Venom
 
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