The Lone Ranger

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Green Lantern was a huge box office bomb though. It couldn't even perform decently overseas despite being loaded with special effects. I think being the next Green Lantern is a terrible, terrible thing to be. It's damn near the worst thing a blockbuster can be to be honest.

That was a great article from EW because I didn't even know they that they tried to reboot The Lone Ranger in 81 and to disastrous results. I feel sorry for the actor who played the title role, he didn't write, direct or produce the film and yet he got the brunt of the blame. Not to mention that people never got to hear his action voice. Ouch.

 

[Marvolo]

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=legendoftheloneranger.htm

Nope, the movie made $12 million, not $2 million.

I'd say this movie has a greater chance of losing more money unless the international take is like outstanding, but w'ever.

I'd agree this was better than Green Lantern, but even still that's a bigger loss than 1981's Lone Ranger. Both this and Green Lantern.

Also this movie did have off-camera issues. Rich Ross didn't want to greenlight this thing because the budget was astronomical. He was getting dogged in the press for not pushing forward a project with the whole Pirates team reuniting. The crew cut the budget down to a mere $215 million (seriously?). Ross seemed to reluctantly give it the greenlight before he got axed. Then the movie ends up going over budget to about $250 million anyway.

My thought? I think Verbinski if he really wanted to make a western needed to do his own story and not the Lone Ranger. And spend about half the money on it.

I mean Pirates was based on a theme park ride so I get the team had kind of like the magic touch back then, but at the same time that movie cost about half of what Lone Ranger did.

I don't think Verbinski was making a western in the traditional sense. He wanted an adventure movie and the Lone Ranger was a property just waiting to be used. One of the many problems tho is that kids and young adults today don't give a **** about the lone ranger. The lone ranger title wasn't gonna put butts in the seats. Then he went far from the original concept and made it his own radical version that pushed away the ones who do know and cherish the character. So he didn't grab the fans and he didn't do a great job at grabbing everyone else. Least in the states it would seem.

 

[Raiden]

How ironic that in comic lore, the Green Hornet is a descendent of the Lone Ranger.

I will admit that's one part of the movie, I didn't really like. At the end they show that the guy can kick some butt, but they go out of their way to make him look like a whimp for the first 2/3'rd of the film.

That's what happens when the main character and the one the movie is named after is actually the sidekick to the second guy. Depp and not Hammer is the real star of this movie.

 

[Marvolo]

Hammer was never going to be the headlining star in the film. He isn't a star yet.

 

[Raiden]

Hammer was never going to be the headlining star in the film. He isn't a star yet.

That's why he was hired, so Lone Ranger can be mocked because the audience doesn't know much about him.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Once Depp decided that he was going to play Tonto I knew which character was going to be the priority.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Honestly, 12 M is a much better than expected number, heading towards 65 M for the 5 day, not done yet, but could have been much worse.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't think Verbinski was making a western in the traditional sense. He wanted an adventure movie and the Lone Ranger was a property just waiting to be used. One of the many problems tho is that kids and young adults today don't give a **** about the lone ranger. The lone ranger title wasn't gonna put butts in the seats. Then he went far from the original concept and made it his own radical version that pushed away the ones who do know and cherish the character. So he didn't grab the fans and he didn't do a great job at grabbing everyone else. Least in the states it would seem.

Verbinski loves westerns and says he shoots all his movies like westerns.

 

[DACrowe]

This movie is a mess.

The climax with the William Tell Overture is nice. It's fun. It's 2.5 hours into the movie (or feels that way). The dark, violent "origin" approach was a bad idea. As was making the Lone Ranger a sidekick in his own movie. As were CGI rabbits and bad writing. And unlike the mediocre Pirates sequels, it lacks a sense of fun.

This thing will do brutal this week, I suspect.

 

[Marvolo]

Killer finale. Great score. The rest is ok. I'd still like to see a sequel.

The framing with old Tonto and the kid was unnecessary, and took me out of the moment and killed momentum on multiple occasions.

 

[Tony Stark]

Once Depp decided that he was going to play Tonto I knew which character was going to be the priority.

Depp is head lining but the main character is still the Lone Ranger. Using the flashback the story is supposed to be told from Tonto's perspective, but the story arch is around John Reid. Tonto doesn't really have a story arch, but there is a plot twist involving him.

 

[Tony Stark]

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=legendoftheloneranger.htm

Nope, the movie made $12 million, not $2 million.

I'd say this movie has a greater chance of losing more money unless the international take is like outstanding, but w'ever.

I'd agree this was better than Green Lantern, but even still that's a bigger loss than 1981's Lone Ranger. Both this and Green Lantern.

Also this movie did have off-camera issues. Rich Ross didn't want to greenlight this thing because the budget was astronomical. He was getting dogged in the press for not pushing forward a project with the whole Pirates team reuniting. The crew cut the budget down to a mere $215 million (seriously?). Ross seemed to reluctantly give it the greenlight before he got axed. Then the movie ends up going over budget to about $250 million anyway.

My thought? I think Verbinski if he really wanted to make a western needed to do his own story and not the Lone Ranger. And spend about half the money on it.

I mean Pirates was based on a theme park ride so I get the team had kind of like the magic touch back then, but at the same time that movie cost about half of what Lone Ranger did.

2m was the opening, so I stand corrected.

Still whatever missteps this film had, it doesn't hold anything on the 81 film which effectively killed any interest in the character, and also in making westerns, which no one really makes anymore.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I would raise a glass if this movie ends up grossing substantially less than True Grit.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Honestly, 12 M is a much better than expected number, heading towards 65 M for the 5 day, not done yet, but could have been much worse.

Honestly I'm going to wait until the middle of the night for more refined early numbers. These Super early numbers go up and down too much for me not to. Certainly I'm not rooting against it because I like all those involved, so hopefully it does well enough.

I don't see the movie getting to the 170mil True Grit did but it will do way better than Grit did overseas.

 

[Bruce Malone]

2m was the opening, so I stand corrected.

Still whatever missteps this film had, it doesn't hold anything on the 81 film which effectively killed any interest in the character, and also in making westerns, which no one really makes anymore.

I read that article and how it pretty much killed that actors career. Hypothetically if this film does bomb what effect if any does it have on armie hammer i wonder?

 

[terry78]

I don't think it'll harm him like Taylor Kitsch. This is like his first outing as a heroic lead. He has Man from UNCLE with Cavill coming up, which may do well with them in a 1960s buddy cop type thing. He'll be playing the more stoic Ilya to Cavill's more swashbuckling Solo.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Well, unlike the guy from the 81 version Hammer isn't a complete unknown and this isn't his first big role in a film. He has worked with well respected directors and gets good reviews even if his films don't. I'm not saying it's going to be a good thing for his career but I don't think it will do too much damage because he is the 3rd or 4th thing the marketing is focusing on. First the marketing focuses on Depp and then him reteaming with his Pirates director and then it focuses on Hammer. If this was solely on his back like John Carter and Battleship were on Kitsch's I'd say it would hurt him tremendously but lucky for him it isn't...if the movie bombs. By that token if it's a huge success I don't think anyone would be mostly crediting him unless moviegoers just adore him in the role.

EDIT: Dammit Terry posted before I did and even mentioned Kitsch!

 

[jacobed]

He's also a much much better actor than Kitsch and filmmakers know that

 

[Pink Ranger]

Even to this day people still remember Armie from TSN, so I think his career still has some ways to go.

It's a shame, I like Hammer, and I like Depp, and I like westerns, but I'm not seeing this movie.

 

[terry78]

I will say I did like what Hammer did in the role, kind of gave Reid an earnest personality but had good comedic timing as well when required to do pratfalls. Basically he didn't sound like he was just reading lines off paper like some other actors. This movie has a LOT of deadpan humor so subtlety was kind of key.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Even to this day people still remember Armie from TSN, so I think his career still has some ways to go.

It's a shame, I like Hammer, and I like Depp, and I like westerns, but I'm not seeing this movie.

My sis and I are seeing White House Down this weekend so yeah I have no plans to see it either. I doubt we will double feature it. I don't hold any animosity towards it but it looks soo bleh. I'll review it on here if I do find myself seeing it though.

 

[MrMaooz]

I read that article and how it pretty much killed that actors career. Hypothetically if this film does bomb what effect if any does it have on armie hammer i wonder?

Well we know he has at least one more chance with MFU.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

If bomb magnet Colin Ferrell can continue to get leads in big budget features because Hollywood considers him to be a good actor I think that Hammer will have far more chances than you think MrMaooz.

 

[MrMaooz]

If bomb magnet Colin Ferrell can continue to get leads in big budget features because Hollywood considers him to be a good actor I think that Hammer will have far more chances than you think MrMaooz.

I didn't mean it like that.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I didn't mean it like that.

I kinda realized that a minute ago. Sorry.