The Lounge on the Train

[SuperSanchez]

Nirvana created MUSIC!

if Nirvana created music that means you must have created SALT

 

[Reek]

Alright then

 

[Guts]

She was just cast as Triss in the Witcher movie

I googled that see if it is true and apparently there already is a Witcher movie. I was going to post the trailer and then I saw that it has nudity. The Polish can have nudity in their trailers but we can't?

 

[Victarion]

I like to think that this backstabbing spell is my tussell with the Balrog.

 

[Roose Bolton]

The Polish created NUDITY

 

[Guts]

I don't talk ****. I lay it down for you to pick up.

Just don't put it in any of our puppet mouths.

 

[Reek]

I googled that see if it is true and apparently there already is a Witcher movie. I was going to post the trailer and then I saw that it has nudity. The Polish can have nudity in their trailers but we can't?

Yea there is.. haven't seen it though

The Polish created NUDITY

And the Dutch created child NUDITY

Just don't put it in any of our puppet mouths.

I am in the middle of a very serious, ugly campaign... I'm glad I don't have an opponent trying to force others to eat poo.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I'm sorry but no, grunge came way before Nirvana including Melvins, Soundgarden, Screaming Trees. But your right about not one artist can say they created a specific genre, and that's what I'm trying to say. Nirvana wouldn't be here without all those other bands, and those other bands wouldn't be here without bands before them. I'm glad you didn't say Grunge came from Seattle hahaha.

Melvins are punk rock, Soundgarden and Screaming Trees have and always will be alternative rock which was the precursor to grunge but Soundgarden specifically evolved their sound to conform to commercialized "grunge" sound for popularity IMO. That's not to say that after their breakout success of Superunknown they didn't became pioneers in their own right. The reason Nirvana is often credited as the creators of Grunge is because Nevermind was the first time the fusion of punk and metal melded with extremely personal and introspective lyrics that encapsulated the angst of the new generation became commercially viable.

Becoming commercially successful is key when we are talking about the creation of a genre. Most of the time there are key components in earlier influential bands but there is always one or two ingredients that aren't quite there for one reason or another.

Take Dubstep for instance, as a recent genre it's only been around on a commercial level for less than a decade. As mainstream EDM was already well on its way to taking off the response from the underground scene was a rapid drop in BPM as well as a focus on heavy grimey bass with an abrasive sound and/or samples. Skrillex had already felt his last group had run its course and liked this underground sound primarily coming out of the UK grime scene. He was able to take the same basic concept but add his ear for keeping things in key which was what the genre was missing to take off commercially. So a lot of the early Dubstep before him doesn't sound that great just as those who tried to cash in on his sound can't quite nail the balance of abrasive and commercially viable which leads to an abundance of so-so Dubstep. This oversaturation also led to the pretty rapid decline of the commercial viability of the genre.

I'll also leave you with a fun fact about a genre created by one man due to circumstances. DJ Screw out of TX purchased 2 turntables only to find one of the turntables would only play at less than half of the normal BPM. Unable to afford another one or to be able to fix it he played with what he had and Chopped and Screwed was born from the TX rap scene. I've always found that story to be hilarious.

 

[Reek]

Careful, Sanchez... You're in DJ's world now...

 

[SuperSanchez]

Melvins are punk rock, Soundgarden and Screaming Trees have and always will be alternative rock which was the precursor to grunge but Soundgarden specifically evolved their sound to conform to commercialized "grunge" sound for popularity IMO. That's not to say that after their breakout success of Superunknown they didn't became pioneers in their own right. The reason Nirvana is often credited as the creators of Grunge is because Nevermind was the first time the fusion of punk and metal melded with extremely personal and introspective lyrics that encapsulated the angst of the new generation became commercially viable.

Becoming commercially successful is key when we are talking about the creation of a genre. Most of the time there are key components in earlier influential bands but there is always one or two ingredients that aren't quite there for one reason or another.

Take Dubstep for instance, as a recent genre it's only been around on a commercial level for less than a decade. As mainstream EDM was already well on its way to taking off the response from the underground scene was a rapid drop in BPM as well as a focus on heavy grimey bass with an abrasive sound and/or samples. Skrillex had already felt his last group had run its course and liked this underground sound primarily coming out of the UK grime scene. He was able to take the same basic concept but add his ear for keeping things in key which was what the genre was missing to take off commercially. So a lot of the early Dubstep before him doesn't sound that great just as those who tried to cash in on his sound can't quite nail the balance of abrasive and commercially viable which leads to an abundance of so-so Dubstep. This oversaturation also led to the pretty rapid decline of the commercial viability of the genre.

I'll also leave you with a fun fact about a genre created by one man due to circumstances. DJ Screw out of TX purchased 2 turntables only to find one of the turntables would only play at less than half of the normal BPM. Unable to afford another one or to be able to fix it he played with what he had and Chopped and Screwed was born from the TX rap scene. I've always found that story to be hilarious.

I guess. "Becoming commercially successful is key when we are talking about the creation of a genre." that goes against Kurt's morals and every punk's morals. Punk is totally against everything commercial.

 

[KevanG]

Yeah, don't question DJ on music stuff. Even if you think you're right, he'll make you think you're wrong with twelve pages of information.

 

[SuperSanchez]

Yeah, don't question DJ on music stuff. Even if you think you're right, he'll make you think you're wrong with twelve pages of information.

Hahaha I'm the same though, I'm just at school so don't have time to write 12 pages.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I guess. "Becoming commercially successful is key when we are talking about the creation of a genre." that goes against Kurt's morals and every punk's morals. Punk is totally against everything commercial.

I'm not talking about anyone's morals. I'm talking about how a genre is created. You are correct that punk was created as the antithesis of commercial viability yet here we are over 30 years later and not only is punk rock big business around the world but we also have the entire pop punk phase of the early 00's which would be the complete 180 of what punk was created in response to haha. Punk rock still has its roots in political and social activism which is alive and well.

As for Kurt, it's pretty well documented how he felt about the bands commercial success. But that's the difference between bands that had some of the ingredients compared to the band/artist that figures out the recipe. Unfortunately Kurt did not cope well with the dual super stardom and medical issues.

 

[Reek]

You are on the HYPE while you are at school?

SHAME... SHAME... SHAME...

 

[SuperSanchez]

I'm not talking about anyone's morals. I'm talking about how a genre is created. You are correct that punk was created as the antithesis of commercial viability yet here we are over 30 years later and not only is punk rock big business around the world but we also have the entire pop punk phase of the early 00's which would be the complete 180 of what punk was created in response to haha. Punk rock still has its roots in political and social activism which is alive and well.

As for Kurt, it's pretty well documented how he felt about the bands commercial success. But that's the difference between bands that had some of the ingredients compared to the band/artist that figures out the recipe. Unfortunately Kurt did not cope well with the dual super stardom and medical issues.

Yeah your right about that got a question for you. Do you consider Green Day and Blink 182 punk?

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Yeah, don't question DJ on music stuff. Even if you think you're right, he'll make you think you're wrong with twelve pages of information.

I only speak on matters I'm familiar with when it comes to music. You'll never see me drop knowledge when it comes to country music or the current rap scene. t:

 

[SuperSanchez]

I only speak on matters I'm familiar with when it comes to music. You'll never see me drop knowledge when it comes to country music or the current rap scene. t:

hahaha don't worry bro, you have a lot more knowledge on this topic than alot of people who claim they are fans and act like they know everything when really they dont.

 

[Vartha]

is it me, or does it feel like the debates on tv in here lately

 

[SuperSanchez]

is it me, or does it feel like the debates on tv in here lately

it's all Reek's fault. He's the next Trump.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Yeah your right about that got a question for you. Do you consider Green Day and Blink 182 punk?

Most definitely, but they are both a part of the 2nd wave of the punk scene. Dookie was the one of the first commercially viable mainstream punk albums borrowing from grunge the more personal lyrics as opposed to being more politically motivated. They wrote about what they knew which was being dumped by girls and smoking weed with a hint of social unrest. Their success had a big influence on Blink who followed a similar recipe.

Blink though was the primary catalysts of the mainstream pop-punk movement which swept the world with Enema of the State which then in turn had a heavy influence on Green Day in which they consciously rebelled against their own recipe to go more into the direction of classical punk rock with their social and politically fueled later albums using their fame to focus on problems they felt needed to be addressed.

I still remember going to the '99 Warped Tour which had both bands. Green Day played before Blink and lots of girls were flashing them and Billy specifically asked them to stop since they weren't Blink haha. That was one of the best shows of all time. On top of those two they had Eminem, No Use For A Name, NOFX, Me first and the gimme gimme, Black Eyed Peas (before they sucked with Fergie), Good Riddance, and those are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head haha. That show was the stuff legends are made of.

 

[jokesonm3]

it's all Reek's fault. He's the next Trump.

Get Rekt.

 

[SuperSanchez]

Most definitely, but they are both a part of the 2nd wave of the punk scene. Dookie was the one of the first commercially viable mainstream punk albums borrowing from grunge the more personal lyrics as opposed to being more politically motivated. They wrote about what they knew which was being dumped by girls and smoking weed with a hint of social unrest. Their success had a big influence on Blink who followed a similar recipe.

Blink though was the primary catalysts of the mainstream pop-punk movement which swept the world with Enema of the State which then in turn had a heavy influence on Green Day in which they consciously rebelled against their own recipe to go more into the direction of classical punk rock with their social and politically fueled later albums using their fame to focus on problems they felt needed to be addressed.

I still remember going to the '99 Warped Tour which had both bands. Green Day played before Blink and lots of girls were flashing them and Billy specifically asked them to stop since they weren't Blink haha. That was one of the best shows of all time. On top of those two they had Eminem, No Use For A Name, NOFX, Me first and the gimme gimme, Black Eyed Peas (before they sucked with Fergie), Good Riddance, and those are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head haha. That show was the stuff legends are made of.

Ugh, see I disagree. Whenever I see Green Day and Blink 182 I see a group of over commercialized posers. But you provide some alright points.

 

[Reek]

I am making the Hype great again... WTF have you done for it?

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Ugh, see I disagree. Whenever I see Green Day and Blink 182 I see a group of over commercialized posers. But you provide some alright points.

I can totally see how you would have that opinion now but you should check out early Green Day albums like 1,039 Smoothed Out Happy Hours and Kerplunk to really get a feel of what they were about before the made it big. Dookie is the perfect example of how they refined and evolved their sound to make it big without really changing who they were.

And for Blink check out Buddha and Cheshire Cat for a similar perspective. Dude Ranch was their Dookie but only had one commercial hit. Those four early albums for both bands are very rough with just the most basic of production value and I love them all dearly. All bands evolve though regardless of fame so sounds inevitability change. Perfect example of this would be Green Day's Nimrod album which illustrates their transition from following their recipe of being commercially viable but trying to incorporate not only an evolution in their music but toying with societal issues. Many agree the non-commital way they approached the album made it one of their worst. Once they committed to going full on in issues they felt were important to them that led to American Idiot which is not only their most successful album but the passion behind it all makes it a modern day masterpiece IMO. Funny thing is they had actually made an entirely different album when the Masters were lost and instead of re-recording that album which they felt they phoned in they made American Idiot.

 

[Victarion]

I liked Blink 182's "Feeling This." Also, "Holidae Inn," "Getting It," and "Hands in the Air" from the aughties.