The Marvel Implosion

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Well, I think it's official guys, we're in the middle of the Marvel Implosion. Herc, Alpha Flight, X-23, All Winner's Squad, Iron Man 2.0, and PunisherMAX were cancelled with the Victor von Doom and Destroyers minis getting canned before publication.

Today Marvel has announced the cancellation of Ghost Rider with issue #9 and Black Panther: The Most Dangerous Man Alive with issue #529. Basically every low selling book is getting canned and it feels like more are on the way.
 
In other words: More double shipments from titles like New Avengers and so on.

More titles that are Avengers, Spider-Man and X-Men related, screw variety. :( I'm worried for Thunderbolts!
 
Yea anything that doesn't sell in the top 100 I feel will be axed.I worry this is the start of taking less chances and just pumping out comics around strong franchises.
 
I'm going to be MASSIVELY PISSED if Avengers Academy gets the axe.
 
The Punisher Max news depresses me. Marvel's best book. :csad:
 
I smell a DC 52 like revision in the works. Personally I find nothing wrong with simplifying things every now and again. But then again, I don't read any Marvel comics regularly anyways (although I will be picking up Avengers Assemble when that is released).
 
If this results in a drop in prices for titles, I'd probably be buying alot more Marvel books. As it is, come February, i'll only be buying 2. Daredevil and Punisher.
 
I smell a DC 52 like revision in the works.

I don't think so. I think Axel Alonso recently said that instead, Marvel is just going to be doing more double shipping to make up for all the titles cancelled.

Stupid move IMO. At my comic book shop a lot of Marvel titles have been dropped due to the double shipping.
 
I don't really mind seeing a lot of the lower-selling titles go, but I'm not too interested in more double-shippings. As great as it is to see Avengers Academy twice a month, the double-shipping comics feel like they're on a weirdly accelerated timeline compared to everything else. Plus, you know the double-shippers are gonna be the major franchises' titles. I'd rather see Marvel just throw out a bunch of mini-series and see what people respond to in order to build a better, more varied publishing line overall.
 
May as well repost/re-mention some factoids in addition to these recent rashes of cancellations and/or pre-emptive non-launches of mini-series.

- Since the start of October, Marvel Comics had laid off at least 16 staffers, including many who had been there for years. One had probably been hired when John Romita Sr. was in charge of things. Clearly, an attempt to trim payroll expenses. Many of those sacked were also associate editors or other editors. The editor of BATTLE SCARS, for instance, was among those fired.

- VICTOR VON DOOM and DESTROYERS are not released, despite being promoted and solicited. While the former has some rumor of production delays, the creative team of DESTROYERS had produced roughly 2 issues of material on schedule, costs Marvel feel are worth eating.

- Marvel have been released no end of "From The Vaults" material - unpublished material paid for under prior editorial administrations that have been determined to be worth printing if only to minimize losses.

- Cancellations of X-23, GHOST RIDER, PUNISHERMAX, BLACK PANTHER (again), IRON MAN 2.0, and ALL WINNER'S SQUAD - the latter a mini series hacked off in a cliffhanger.

- In a statement about the situation with ALPHA FLIGHT (an 8 issue mini briefly re-positioned as an ongoing series before shifting back to being a mini), new EIC Axel Alonso has a moment of candidness and states: "new budgetary mandates forced us to rethink the strategy" = http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=35305

In short, while DC's surge actually hasn't cost Marvel any sales, it's clearly shined a spotlight to their executives that it should be more profitable. Marvel Comics IS profitable, but not as much as prior years. Thus, there is a cost cutting and budget trimming exercise going on. The billionaire who is Marvel's CEO, Ike Perlmutter, is a notorious skinflint who would make J.J. blush. Horror stories such as Marvel only having ONE staff bathroom or a human resources department of ONE GUY are tips of the iceberg. Rumors have circulated that aside for some big name talent, freelance rates are also being cut.

Unfortunately, what this means is more of the same. That is why at the NYCC, all that was promised was just that. More ASM spin-off's. Another Bendis/Avengers title. Another Wolverine mini series. More of FF and a third Brubaker Cap book coming. It seems while DC's strategy was to be bold and roll the dice, Marvel's strategy will be to stand pat and trim their fat. It is truly astonishing to be in an era where DC is being gutsy and Marvel is being old and plain.

Some of those cancellations have me worried; while GHOST RIDER and BLACK PANTHER have often failed to last long in recent years, and IRON MAN 2.0 was just WAR MACHINE repackaged, X-23 actually was selling better than a few other as-of-yet not canceled ongoing titles, such as THUNDERBOLTS and AVENGERS ACADEMY. While I have been reading the Jeff Parker run of T-Bolts, it will hit a 170th issue next spring, so if the plug was pulled on it, you can't say Marvel didn't give it a nice, long run. My biggest concern is AVENGERS ACADEMY, which has hovered around 23k all year. It does have some possible stays of execution. It IS a spare Avengers title, and Marvel will seek to spam them last year. While X-23 features a character who is already 8 years old, the new characters in AA are newer and thus certain powers may seek to invest in it a little, as was done with RUNAWAYS. And on the worse side, Marvel hasn't had much success with solo heroine titles (beyond rare exceptions like SHE-HULK or MS. MARVEL at certain junctures), so them canning two books with female leads isn't something shocking.

It is a double edged, hypocritical sword. I've been saying for years that Marvel has to trim their line down; even with a New 52, DC STILL publishes fewer comics. But naturally, I hate when low sellers I like get canned. I'd say Marvel would be wiser to simply cut back on the amount of mini-series and spare one shots they publish instead, but sanity is Kryptonite to executives.

Since the start of the new century, 19k sales for a monthly series were often the sign of the Reaper. Nowadays, that cut off figure could be higher.
 
PUNISHERMAX is the only title so far I'm sad to see go but I guess that series may of come to an end anyway as Jason Aaron has a few titles his doing at the moment.

Solo women and solo ethnic minority titles are always the first to get the chop in these instances.
 
Since we've talked about canceling titles, here's whats double shipping:
February Comics
Avengers
New Avengers
Secret Avengers
Uncanny X-Force
3 issues of Amazing Spider-Man
Winter Soldier
Avengers Academy
Deadpool
New Mutants
Uncanny X-Men
Ultimate X-Men
Wolverine and the X-Men
X-Men
X-Factor

Also Scarlet Spider is going to be a 3.99 book. Winter Soldier 2.99
 
Marvel' marketing strategy is absolutely baffling. They're trimming down their line and pushing excess in upper tier books. Now we're gonna have a bajillion spiderman, x-men and avengers books, just like a certain era called THE 90's. But then again, i guess it comes down to its just as much our faults, the readers as it is theirs. We're the ones not buying these lower selling books.
 
Well, I think it's official guys, we're in the middle of the Marvel Implosion. Herc, Alpha Flight, X-23, All Winner's Squad, Iron Man 2.0, and PunisherMAX were cancelled with the Victor von Doom and Destroyers minis getting canned before publication.

Wasn't this a mini?
 
Marvel' marketing strategy is absolutely baffling. They're trimming down their line and pushing excess in upper tier books. Now we're gonna have a bajillion spiderman, x-men and avengers books, just like a certain era called THE 90's. But then again, i guess it comes down to its just as much our faults, the readers as it is theirs. We're the ones not buying these lower selling books.

It's not the readers fault. Marvel pretty much killed their lower selling books by charging $3.99 for all their top tier titles and double shipping them. When readers are spending all their comic income on the top tier books, they just don't have the money to check out the lower selling books.
 
Since we've talked about canceling titles, here's whats double shipping:
February Comics

Seriously, what the **** is up with that double shipping? Not only have they killed their lower tier books, but they're killing their upper tier books with this move.
 
Marvel is seriously lacking in ongoings.
 
Axel Alonso has confirmed that Marvel is cancelling Daken: Dark Wolverine.
 
I fear for the Punisher, looks like Thunderbolts could go to.
 
What best way to promote their Ghost Rider movie by cancelling the on-going monthly? Great idea actually since the monthly actually sucked pretty bad.
 
So far Axel Alonso is not proving to be a worthy successor to Quesada. Say what you will about the guy, but he got people buying Marvel comics again.
 
((double post, grumble mutter))
 
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Alonso's line of "we don't do R&D at Marvel" pretty much eliminates any justification for keeping AVENGERS ACADEMY on the schedule if Marvel is willing to axe books that sell better like X-23 or DAKEN usually did. The only saving throw is 2012 is "AVENGERS YEAR" when Marvel will be spamming that material, so if AA gets canned at the start of the year like DAKEN is, the odds of Gage getting a 3-6 issue mini series to wrap up any lingering threads is probable. I mean, HEROES FOR HIRE was DOA and it's getting that. Paul Tobin got a 3 issue mini after his SPIDER-GIRL ended. Even Gregg Hurwitz got what was essentially another 3 issues of VENGEANCE OF THE MOON KNIGHT due to a SHADOWLAND mini.

Newsarama is chatting up Gage and he's apparently planning and writing scripts for issues #27-28 of that series next year, where the RUNAWAYS come in. He mentions that sales saw a spike with the "Super Hero Prom" issue so it is possible AA has a stay in "the purge" to see if the new status quo bares fruit. It won't, because smaller books rarely gain sales without crossovers, but it'll maybe buy it a few more months.

Amusingly, a crossover was planned between VENOM, GHOST RIDER and X-23 which now Marvel may have to collect in a one shot like they did with AVENGERS ACADEMY GIANT SIZE (which was planned to be a crossover of annuals, and then a mini series called ARCADE: DEATH GAME).

Before we all blame Alonso, take note that he was hand picked by Joe Q to be his successor, a move Joe stated was rare at Marvel. And that Alonso had likely been doing a lot of EIC duties unofficially during most of Joe's last year in that title. Thus, you could argue Joe Q's best move was knowing to vacate his position when the iceberg was still too far away to see. Now it's getting bigger by the minute and the ol' first mate is Captain now.
 

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