The massive, all encompassing FAIL thread

[Miss Webb]

For all ideas and concepts in marvel/dc that don't work or are deus ex machina. The fail can be characterization, plot driven storylines, or a "versus" combat scenario. It can be oversaturation of crossovers, bad art or mediocre writing. Characters that are overexposed, or have no reasonable motivation for anything.

Let the fail begin.

OVEREXPOSURE:
Wolverine, Joker

VERSUS:
Batman vs. Walrus

PLOT DRIVEN STRANGENESS:
Michelle, ASM

EXCESSIVE CROSSOVER:
Blackest Night

MOST CONFUSED, OVERWROUGHT PLOT
R.I.P.

OVERRATED:
Red Hulk

MOST POINTLESS ATTRACTION:
Sue Richards/Sub Mariner

CONTROVERSIAL ARTIST:
Quitely (with his wrinkly style)

MOST DIVISIVE EDITOR IN CHIEF:
Joseph Quesada

MOST CONTROVERSIAL PLOT
The destruction of the MJ/Peter marriage

WILDEST THEME DRIVEN COSTUME:
The Spot, Zebra Batman

 

[SuperFerret]

For all ideas and concepts in marvel/dc that don't work or are deus ex machina. The fail can be characterization, plot driven storylines, or a "versus" combat scenario. It can be oversaturation of crossovers, bad art or mediocre writing. Characters that are overexposed, or have no reasonable motivation for anything.

Let the fail begin.

OVEREXPOSURE:
Wolverine, Joker

VERSUS:
Batman vs. Walrus

PLOT DRIVEN STRANGENESS:
Michelle, ASM

EXCESSIVE CROSSOVER:
Blackest Night

MOST CONFUSED, OVERWROUGHT PLOT
R.I.P.

OVERRATED:
Red Hulk

MOST POINTLESS ATTRACTION:
Sue Richards/Sub Mariner

CONTROVERSIAL ARTIST:
Quitely (with his wrinkly style)

MOST DIVISIVE EDITOR IN CHIEF:
Joseph Quesada

MOST CONTROVERSIAL PLOT
The destruction of the MJ/Peter marriage

WILDEST THEME DRIVEN COSTUME:
The Spot, Zebra Batman

There is no fail here, my friend.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Yeah, No fail at all in Blackest Night what so ever.

 

[Spade]

OVEREXPOSURE:
Wolverine, Joker

Wolverine, definitely. It's ridiculous how "that guy who fought the Hulk" has past through decades of better writing to become...that guy who fought the Hulk, snikts a lot of bubs, and whose "great nemesis" is some guy with claw gloves and Sabertooth's hairstyle.

Joker? Not so much. He shows up often, but never to the point where I feel he's being badly used. In fact, all's gone quiet on his front since the end of Batman R.I.P. If I had to name someone else, hero or villain, I'd say Spider-Man. He's in the New Avengers, "The Amazing Spider-Man" comes out three times a month, he pops in and out of way too many other books, and I think there's another title coming out in October...really, enough's enough. I like Peter Parker and I know Spidey's the face of current Marvel, but that same feeling of saturation and "trying too hard" with Logan has seeped into Spidey's brand.

VERSUS:
Batman vs. Walrus

I thought that "Superman and Batman vs. Vampires and Werewolves" sounded pretty ridiculous. Granted, I didn't read it, but it doesn't come off as the best idea DC has ever put to print from what I've seen.

PLOT DRIVEN STRANGENESS:
Michelle, ASM

I don't think anything beats "Batman got hit with beams of energy after shooting a god with a poison bullet, which sent him with a body and his clothes to prehistory to live dozens of lives, while another body lies in Bat-booties as a beefy skeleton in the present." But I don't think it's "full of fail" or anything like that.

I nominate Red Hulk gaining the Surfer's board and Terrax's ax right before killing everyone in sight bar Galactus instead, as pictured and expanded upon here.

MOST CONFUSED, OVERWROUGHT PLOT
R.I.P.

Final Crisis was the Morrison story for me. I know it's cool for some people to bash on him, but even if I try to be fair I really don't get how six issues about a New God falling backwards through time and breaking his back flows cleanly into a last issue involving space vampires and a deus ex machina that's supposed to be clever because the writer knows what one is. Also, besides resurrecting some people and making Bruce Wayne's "death" a big WTH moment, it kinda came and went.

CONTROVERSIAL ARTIST:
Quitely (with his wrinkly style)

Quitely might put his fair share off of a comic for valid reasons, but post some art drawn by Greg Land and/or Rob Liefeld, and you might as well have posted a kitten getting its head stomped in based on the reactions you'll inevitably get.

MOST CONTROVERSIAL PLOT
The destruction of the MJ/Peter marriage

I disliked this, but Ultimatum belongs here. The only reason I can think of that people overlook it is that it happened in the Ultimate Universe, which can be ignored because it doesn't impact the more popular classic titles.

 

[Tron Bonne]

EXCESSIVE CROSSOVER:
Blackest Night

You mean excessive like too many tie-ins? If that's the case there's no way that BN is that at all. I mean just look at Secret Invasion or Dark Reign.

I disliked this, but Ultimatum belongs here. The only reason I can think of that people overlook it is that it happened in the Ultimate Universe, which can be ignored because it doesn't impact the more popular classic titles.

No, the Parker/MJ thing is probably something that's pretty much going to be at least partially discussed and brought up for years. That was a significant move for either side of the fence. It's the Emerald Twilight of this decade.

Not to say Ultimatum wasn't in its own right, but as a whole, the OMD/BND situation caused way more discussion and strife than it ever did. I mean mostly because it's a much smaller group of fans, and an alternate universe, but still

 

[Miss Webb]

You mean excessive like too many tie-ins? If that's the case there's no way that BN is that at all. I mean just look at Secret Invasion or Dark Reign.




No, the Parker/MJ thing is probably something that's pretty much going to be at least partially discussed and brought up for years. That was a significant move for either side of the fence. It's the Emerald Twilight of this decade.

Not to say Ultimatum wasn't in its own right, but as a whole, the OMD/BND I think cause way more discussion and strife than it ever did. I mean mostly because it's a much smaller group of fans, and an alternate universe, but still

Definitely the tie ins are out of control with BN. If you check the upcoming issues involving BN, it's insane...like total saturation no matter how obscure the connection to a specific title.

Not to mention expensive!

 

[Tron Bonne]

There's not been that many BN tie-ins. I mean there's been more than I like, too, but it's only like 6 or 7 titles and a few offshot minis. I mean have you seen how many Dark Reign tie-ins there have been? Not to mention all the minis and one-shots related to it.

 

[SuperFerret]

You still have to answer for calling the Spot's costume fail.

 

[Miss Webb]

You still have to answer for calling the Spot's costume fail.

LOL, I'll plea the fifth on that one...let's just say the SPOT is so awful he's cool. In a dweeby kinda way. I actually kinda like the doofball.

Still, that Zebra Batman was AWFUL. t:

 

[Miss Webb]

There's not been that many BN tie-ins. I mean there's been more than I like, too, but it's only like 6 or 7 titles and a few offshot minis. I mean have you seen how many Dark Reign tie-ins there have been? Not to mention all the minis and one-shots related to it.

Yeah, I've been seeing on some boards about people complaining about the Dark Reign/Dark Avengers titles. Although probably the only ones I'll look at will tie into series I follow.

6 or 7 AND a few minis is waaaay too much for BN...there's an obsession with death in general in the DCU. Not sure what's fuelling it all, though.

 

[SuperFerret]

LOL, I'll plea the fifth on that one...let's just say the SPOT is so awful he's cool. In a dweeby kinda way. I actually kinda like the doofball.

Still, that Zebra Batman was AWFUL. t:

Zebra Batman was awful, but the Spot's costume is great.

 

[Themanofbat]

Zebra Batman???

 

[SuperFerret]

I'm afraid of zebras and bats, it's time criminals share my dread.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Most Pointless Attraction
Sue and Namor?


WTF? The point is unrequited love! That's far from pointless. If you want a pointless attraction how bout every one Batman has.

Batman and Catwoman
Batman and Talia
Batman and Joker
Batman and Robin


Now there are some pointless ****ing attractions.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Were Sue and Namor ever really in love, though? I always thought she just desired him because he was passionate and expressed himself a lot more than Reed, who tended to keep to his lab and be very cerebral.

 

[Franklin Richards]

She's always gave Namor a big fat NO, but he doesn't believe it.


Sue may flirt to get Reed's attention but there isn't really anything other than a slight infatuation on Sue's part.


They have never been together in the 616... short of some mind control.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, we'll see how long that lasts after the next issue.

 

[Drz]

Jeph Loeb is the ultimate fail for raping Ultimate Universe. Here's hoping Millar can fix things somehow! :thumb:

 

[bryanss3]

It wasn't rape, it was consensual. Ask Marvel.

 

[Anubis]

Marvel may have consented to rough sex but it's still rape even though they forgot the safe word.

 

[iloveclones]

I love how Fail now means Things I Don't Like. Now, That's a Fail!

 

[Themanofbat]

Didn't Sue go after Namor around the end of Namor's last comic (the one started by Byrne circa 1989)?

My memory "fails" me...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I love how Fail now means Things I Don't Like. Now, That's a Fail!

It's always had that definition. Hell, even the Clone Saga worked for some people.

 

[iloveclones]

Ah, the good old days, when to fail actually meant "to not reach an objective." Now, it seems to have no more meaning than "the."

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, you're talking about the actual dictionary definition. Yeah, we're long past that. The language is evolving, dude. Get over your prescriptions and dig that descriptive grammar, yo.