The MCU's biggest mistakes

4 - I'm curious as to why you think this is a mistake. I don't care one way or another, but it seems like such minor thing to bring up.

I though it could help Malekith's character a little bit. He was very underdeveloped and uninteresting, so maybe he and the Elves speaking English a little could help us connect with them more in the limited screen time they had.

It also was strange considering all alien races in the movies speak English for convenience's sake.
 
1.The Inhuman royalty's dealing with their subjects. They may be super powered but not one act of heroism after 8 hours.
2. The beginning of Age Of Ultron gave the impression that the Avengers had been running down Hydra assets which totally destroyed the S.H.I.E.L.D. versus Hydra secret war in the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
3. Trying to tell a racial story in Agent Carter's second season after everybody ignored race in The First Avenger and Agent Carter season 1.
 
2) Launching Agents of SHIELD too early. The Avengers was a magic moment for cinema, but certain aspects of Phase 2 were marked by a clear drop in quality indicative of an operation that was not sure what to do next, and therefore began stretching itself too thin. This eventually culminated in an exhausted Joss Whedon stepping away from Marvel entirely and even expressing disappointment with a lot of his work as Phaserunner (including regret at bringing Coulson back to life.)

Joss Whedon had very little involvement in Agents of SHIELD. It wasn't why he got stretched thin.
 
I think it is the Madarin.
This is by far one of the strongest and most well-known villain in the comics and i really like this character. Madarin has a lot of potential to become big and powerful villain, yet MCU ruins it in the Iron Man 3.
 
Alan Taylor directing Thor: The Dark World.
 
I think it is the Madarin.
This is by far one of the strongest and most well-known villain in the comics and i really like this character. Madarin has a lot of potential to become big and powerful villain, yet MCU ruins it in the Iron Man 3.

Given current social norms I have no ideal how they could have done or will do in the future, the Mandarin in the MCU. At least they tried to correct the mistake in the All Hail The King one shot.
 
I think the magic in Doctor Strange was too technical in nature; it lost the mystical feel of the comics.
 
Given current social norms I have no ideal how they could have done or will do in the future, the Mandarin in the MCU. At least they tried to correct the mistake in the All Hail The King one shot.


The thing is Ra's Al Ghul is even more stepped in Fu Manchu stuff. Ra's looks much more like the original stories description of Fu Manchu. He has a traitorous daughter like Fu Manchu. He leads a group of assassins like Fu Manchu. Yet he gets a pass and The Mandarin doesn't.

RasAlGhul.jpg

Fu Manchu is described as having "brow like Shakespeare" and "catlike green eyes".
Does Mandarin resemble Shakespeare even slightly?
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Given current social norms I have no ideal how they could have done or will do in the future, the Mandarin in the MCU. At least they tried to correct the mistake in the All Hail The King one shot.


People keep saying that but even at the worst presentation of him, half the time I see a period piece Chinese film, the Villain is similar but far far more cliche and with less interesting twists to him.
 
The thing is Ra's Al Ghul is even more stepped in Fu Manchu stuff. Ra's looks much more like the original stories description of Fu Manchu. He has a traitorous daughter like Fu Manchu. He leads a group of assassins like Fu Manchu. Yet he gets a pass and The Mandarin doesn't.

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Fu Manchu is described as having "brow like Shakespeare" and "catlike green eyes".
Does Mandarin resemble Shakespeare even slightly?
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Yep, pretty much an Arabic Fu Manchu in so many ways.
 
I think the magic in Doctor Strange was too technical in nature; it lost the mystical feel of the comics.
I get why they aren't being too in your face about it, as it would probably turn some of the audience off. My impression is that they are taking it slow, but I think Thor: Ragnarok started moving closer to the mystical elements.

Now that the character is established, and looked more refined in Thor that we'll start to get more of that feeling back. Just my take though.
 
I get why they aren't being too in your face about it, as it would probably turn some of the audience off. My impression is that they are taking it slow, but I think Thor: Ragnarok started moving closer to the mystical elements.

Now that the character is established, and looked more refined in Thor that we'll start to get more of that feeling back. Just my take though.

That's my feeling also. Ragnarok itself would have way too much when the MCU started.
 
I like how magic was presented in Dr. Strange. Totally worked for me.
 
The Mandarin twist is really the only thing that has genuinely pissed me off with the MCU, and I'm not even a hardcore Iron Man fan.

Here you have Ben Kingsley giving a great villain performance, genuinely one of the best the MCU has had to offer, and it turns out the guy isn't a villain at all but is actually a bumbling drunken actor. The twist wouldn't have been nearly as bad had Aldrich Killian been able to pick up the slack. Nope. The real antagonist of Iron Man 3 is a hamfisted fire-breather. Neato.
 
Letting the TV division take Inhumans from them and butchering it, devaluing it as a property.

Hiring Alan Taylor to direct Thor: The Dark World.

Iron Man 2 being mediocre in comparison to the first movie.
 
Hiring Scott Buck and let him be the show runner for both Iron Fist & Inhumans has got to be one of the worst mistakes that Marvel ever made. It's right next to letting Patty Jenkins leave TDW and hire Alan Taylor in her place.
 
Hiring Scott Buck and let him be the show runner for both Iron Fist & Inhumans has got to be one of the worst mistakes that Marvel ever made. It's right next to letting Patty Jenkins leave TDW and hire Alan Taylor in her place.

This is probably their worst mistake at least in the movies.
 
Alan Taylor is obviously not the greatest director but you guys have no idea how good a Thor movie Patty Jenkins would have made. The first half of Wonder Woman was fantastic, the second half extremely mediocre and by the numbers. I still don't understand why that movie is rated so highly other than the fact that it was the first film to really do a good job of portraying a female superhero lead.

Scott Buck is absolutely the worst thing to happen to the MCU.

In the movies, sure they've had a few bumps but they've recovered nicely. Even their supposed mistakes received mixed reception at worst. As fans we're absolutely spoiled.
 
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1. Old Man Hank Pym
2. Hope Van Dyne is the Wasp

As much as I liked Shaun of the Dead, it feels like a huge mistake to have sat on the characters of Hank and Janet because someone, someday, if he ever got around to it, wasn't going to make a movie about them anyway (and the script he turned over didn't have Janet in it at all, so it was a double waste that she didn't get to be in the Avengers movie, since he didn't have any plan on using her at all!).

Even if they'd been introduced in tiny sequences mid-battle-of-Manhattan, and Fury had responded to Iron Man asking about what he was seeing with 'You think you are the only remarkable people I know?' it would have set them up to appear for real in later films. (Hank could have appeared as a giant figure that sprang up next to one of the flying leviathans and wrestled it down to the ground, shrinking out of sight as fast as it happened, leading to Iron Man's outburst. Janet could have shown up when Hawkeye ran out of arrows, and said over comms he needed a fresh quiver, and a woman's voice replying that she's on it. Moments later, a tiny figure throws something at his feet which grows into a fresh quiver full of arrows, and she streaks off and takes out a Chitauri flying sled by zapping the pilot in the face. 30 seconds added to runtime, maybe, and they are ready to use in the next movie.)

5. Killing off Quicksilver in his first actual movie appearance

Yeah. Whedon likes his bait-and-switch's, and he was telegraphing hard that Hawkeye was going to die. (Which is traditionally what happens when a character who hasn't had a past suddenly starts talking about home and family and a farm and 'wanted to see Montana' and thinking about retirement.)

Instead, Quicksilver, who I found a much more comics-accurate version than the Fox time-manipulator version (who can *listen to music at normal speed while bullets stand still around him*), is the one to kind of undramatically die (so undramatically that Hawkeye pretty much jokes about it while lounging near the corpse).

I didn't like Age of Ultron for many reasons, but the pointless death of Quicksilver was near top of the list.

Other quibbles;

Chris Evans has been an unexpected but excellent Captain America. Robert Downey Jr. has redefined Tony Stark so much that comic-book Stark has been written to be more like him. Scarlet Johanssen is a great Black Widow, and I like her more than the comic book version. Mark Ruffalo is a great Hulk, and, more importantly, the most engaging version of Banner I've seen.

And then there's Chris Hemsworth. Big goofy smiling charming Australian surf-jock rom-com gleepy boyfriend material. *NOT* a thousand year old super-intimidating god of war and thunder that even Captain America and Nick Fury find impressive and commanding and a tiny bit scary. I've got nothing against Hemsworth, I think he'd blow Zac Efron away in the sort of movies that Zac Efron gets cast in, but he's no Thor. At least Thor: Ragnarok gave up on trying to walk away from his strengths and went full comedy with him.

And Jeremy Renner. I don't blame him for Hawkeye getting crappy lines and some crappy plotting (that results in his character being most effective when mind-controlled by Loki, for instance). I do blame him for making me regret that Quicksilver saved his life, since Quicksilver, in a third the time, was way more fun a character. Also, the man is a gaffe machine. Multiple times during the Age of Ultron cast appearances, he had to be apologized for, for saying stupid misogynistic crap about the women's salaries, or that the Black Widow was a giant **** for being teased at shipping with Cap (who she never slept with), his character (who she never slept with) and Banner (who, third time's the charm, she *still* never slept with). That's a pretty wild definition of '****' Jer... Does she need to wear a burka and never be seen without a male relative escorting her to avoid that label in your mind?

The decision to kill off the Maya character in Iron Man 3, and make Killian the 'big bad' was annoying to me, even more so if it's true that the decision was made because they didn't think toys of a female villain would sell. She invented Extremis, it's kind of foolish to think that a bullet from someone who was essentially her PR guy, would kill her.

Pretty much anything Drax said in Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Way, way over the top. Not funny to someone from my pre-Beavis and Butthead generation. Louder does not necessarily mean 'funnier.' Not a big fan of Mantis, either. Would have much rather seen a new 'daughter of Thanos,' Moondragon, with psychic talents awakened by exposure to the Mind Stone (which A) we knew Thanos had before he loaned it to Loki, and B) we know can give select people super-powers, as it did with Wanda and Pietro). And halfway through an epic fight, we find out that she's the long-thought-dead daughter of Drax, because, it turns out, we'd already established in the first movie that Thanos likes to kill families and steal their little girls away to raise as his deadly daughters! That could have been a pretty epic 'family' subplot.
 
I think the magic in Doctor Strange was too technical in nature; it lost the mystical feel of the comics.

I really wanted to see (and hear invoked!) the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak and Shields of the Seraphim and Bolts of Bedevilment. Instead, nameless glowing geometric shields and whips of light. Kind of eh. (Especially the whips of light. Yuk.)

The invocations, IMO, added a lot to the comic experience. Winds of Watoomb, Images of Ikonn, Flames of the Faltines. Each carries with it suggestions of the powers and entities being called upon, and whatever sort of 'deals' one has to make with those entities for them to let you tap their power.

I feel the same way about Iron Fist and his martial arts. I loved when he, in his comic in the 80's, would think (or shout out, sometimes) the 'name' of whatever fancy martial arts move he was making. It wasn't just 'he kicks some dude' it was 'Cloud Dragon Sweep!' or 'Five Thunder Kick!'

It's silly, but I liked it.

2. Taking way too long to bring in a more diverse selection of heroes. They're obviously making an effort with Phase 3 but it should've happened sooner.

Marvel really needs to up their game with non-mutant Asian and Latino/Hispanic characters, in particular, and not just in the movies, but in their comics. For years, the X-books have done the heavy lifting here with characters like Storm, Sunfire, Bishop, Silver Samurai, Sunspot, Karma, etc. (plus Native Americans like Moonstar and Forge) while the Avengers, Fantastic Four, Heroes for Hire, etc. have been left with Mantis, Living Lightning, White Tiger, Silverclaw and other lesser-known characters, resulting in the MCU, which can't use mutants, being mighty white (with the occasional black sidekick like War Machine or Falcon, but no Asian or Latinos that even get as far as sidekick, unless you count Ant-Man's buddy Luis and his mean right hook as a 'superhero').

Now that Inhumans have been retconned to not all be white Europeans, and have African, Latino, Asian, etc. 'NuHumans' cropping up, that's a possibility with characters like Inferno, Grid, Flint and Iso, but still, that's just putting all the eggs in this NuHuman basket, and will eventually lead to someone asking while all the super-minorities have the same origin story (terrigen-tainted fish pills, yo!).
 
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I feel like slashing Mickey Rourke's screentime in Iron Man 2 was the first big mistake.

Not paying Universal enough money to get the Hulk distribution rights after Avengers was another mistake.

Forcing Alan Taylor to reshoot Thor: The Dark World to lighten the tone and doing so at the expense of Christopher Eccleson was also a really awful decision.

Hiring Scott Buck to do two TV shows despite knowing full well what he did to Dexter.

Not properly thinking through the motivations of the villains in Defenders.
 
I feel like slashing Mickey Rourke's screentime in Iron Man 2 was the first big mistake.

Not paying Universal enough money to get the Hulk distribution rights after Avengers was another mistake.

Forcing Alan Taylor to reshoot Thor: The Dark World to lighten the tone and doing so at the expense of Christopher Eccleson was also a really awful decision.

Hiring Scott Buck to do two TV shows despite knowing full well what he did to Dexter.

Not properly thinking through the motivations of the villains in Defenders.

I agree with pretty much all of this.

I really wish I could see all the Malekith footage that never saw the light of day. Eccleston and Taylor talked extensively about revealing the motivations of this character but we never saw it. There was obviously stuff that went down on Svartalfheim and he was justified in his hatred of Odin. I really wish we could've seen that. Instead we got more Loki.

However, Loki turned out to be a highlight (although at Thor's expense). Thankfully Waititi corrected this in Ragnarok. But I believe if Taylor's film wasn't "Marvelized" it probably would've been skewered by critics. Most critics praised the wacky finale over the more serious earlier moments while comic fans seem to prefer the drama. Kind of funny.

I really believe Marvel saved the film. The reports came out during post that Marvel was very unhappy with Taylor and would never hire him again. It is what it is.

Waititi obviously hit all the right notes this time and now there's talk of Thor 4/Ragnarok 2. Either way I'm happy.
 
I thought Old Man Pym was a good move by Marvel. It fleshed out the MCU by having a past hero that grows old and passes his legacy onto a new guy, as opposed to making him the same age as Stark and Banner and having three scientists in the Avengers (Pym would've been redundant in the Avengers movie, outside of his powerset).

I thought using Scott Lang as the Ant-Man movie protagonist was the right move too. It made it a heist movie, which gave it a distinct feel from the other solo movies. I think Lang is a better protagonist for an Ant-Man franchise, while Pym works better as an ensemble character.
 
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I thought Old Man Pym was a good move by Marvel. It fleshed out the MCU by having a past hero that grows old and passes his legacy onto a new guy, as opposed to making him the same age as Stark and Banner and having three scientists in the Avengers (Pym would've been redundant in the Avengers movie, outside of his powerset).

I thought using Scott Lang as the Ant-Man movie protagonist was the right move too. It made it a heist movie, which gave it a distinct feel from the other solo movies. I think Lang is a better protagonist for an Ant-Man franchise, while Pym works better as an ensemble character.
IMHO nothing wrong with team having more scientists. Cap, Black Widow, Thor, and Scarlet Witch are not scientists.

As for the heist angle, it wasn't much of a heist in the first place.
 
The biggest mistake is that they didnt make Fanstatis Four with a other vilians then Dr Doom.
The Super Skrull ; Annihilus ; Grand Master would be perfect vilians together with a plotline for secret invasion with them in a main spot for a Avengers next coming.
Also a movie with Galactus should focus on Galactus invasion and his diffrent minions.
Silver surfer should have gotten own sepperate movie or short story in the movie.

Dr Doom would be a good vilian for Iron man, captain america, spiderman and fantastic four.
Also a cross over with the Hulk and thing could be hillarious.
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Mistake is that they fear to make something totally out of the box like a series of halloweeen themed movies with Doctor Strange, Thor, Hulk, Spiderman and Ghost Rider that could fight against Fear Lords(Nightmare), Wendigo , Man wolf, Dormamu, Enchantress, Loki, and Mephisto.
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Mistake is the fear of setting up the Avengers vs Surtur or to show vs Galactus.
Both could get seperate movies like Avengers: Galactus Arrival , and
Avengers: Suturs Apocalypse(the use of Enchantress as his minion)
 

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