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[BlackMagicWolf]

Actually that's what I'm curious about. Is RJ part of Tyger, Tyger? Or is he somehow warning Jane about it? Why else would he say that line over and over again?

Also I agree that Ray is RJ. Not because of the Teresa thing (though that is a nice catch) but because of who the suspects are. Reed, McAllister, and Bertram are part of Tyger, Tyger and most likely aren't him.

As much as I like Stiles he might be a little too obvious, which of course leaves Ray. He's in the shadow of Stiles so can deflect attention from himself, and he was in the CBI so he could've been the one to kill the "assassin" without drawing attention to himself.

 

[Rob Lobo]

I have a theory that all 7 Red John suspects are just ruse to throw the viewers off. My guess is that Red John is nearer & closer to Patrick all along. My guess is CBI Ron is the real Red John.

and this

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

Ok I change my mind, its Ron....clearly.

 

[Dark Raven]

I did begin to think it was Kirkland at the start of the episode because his voice could sound like the high-pitched sound of RJ, but then it clearly wasn't.

But like someone said in Elementary, RJ could be using a stand in to do the voice. Actually, in Elementary I thought Moriarty was going to be more like RJ and not either reveal himself (herself) so quickly or get caught so easily. I thought it would be much longer before Natalie Dormer showed herself.

What I wonder is whether the phrase Tyger Tyger was always a password or whether they've changed the premise over the course of the series. Why would RJ say it to Jane back in the episode where he had him tied to that chair but spared him? And why did Bertram say it as if he was wondering about it rather than knowing it was a password (if he is part of this secret organisation)?

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

I've already said that Bertram is in Tyger, Tyger, along with Reed and McAlister, it's why they've had so many meeting together, because they're worried Jane will figure out what's going on.

I too am wondering why Red John kept saying Tyger, Tyger as well, we'll see won't we?

 

[C. Lee]

I quit watching after Season 3. The writers blew me away with the season 3 finale. Making Red John into some random guy played by Bradley Whitford was brilliant. He wasn't a monster. He didn't have horns. He was just a psychotic human being. It was such a very nice touch as was the way that Jane killed him. It was a perfect ending to the Red John arc. Then the writers lost their balls and backed down. Instead of being creative and finding a new direction for the show, the writers fell into their safety net and within forty five minutes told the audience, "GOTCHYA!" then just started chasing their own tail again. It really turned me off from the show.

I may watch the Red John reveal episode. My guess is that the writers will do the safest thing possible and go for the cheap shock of Red John being Virgil Minelli.

That's exactly how I felt....I thought they had brilliantly brought the Red John storyline to an end....but then they went nyah nyah nyah nah to us....and I quit watching.

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe Red John doesn't really exist but he's the creation of the Tyger Tyger organisation as a kind of scapegoat they've pinned all these murders on. Maybe RJ is all 7 suspects and they've all acted as him at one point or another. That would prevent Jane from getting a solid handle on his character because it would almost seem that his character changes all the time. So if he thought RJ suffers from vertigo, then he would find a version of RJ acting in some capacity where he doesn't suffer from vertigo, because it's a different person in the role at that particular time.

 

[Dark Raven]

I thought they were introducing a potential new love interest for Cho this week, but it wasn't to be. I was sad to see Beth Riesgraf die a grisly death. I wonder if Jane's remark at the end about having leverage against RJ (because he knows about the tattoos on his shoulder) was a subtle reference to her former show, Leverage.

Brett Styles seems to have been missing from Visualize since the time that those predictions were made. Don't know if that means anything or not.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

I'm still for Ray being RJ, with Stiles being my second.

I'm actually worried about the "I have leverage on him" statement, because if one of the five aren't RJ then I'll be mad.

 

[cyclone]

After this weeks episode, it certainly leans more toward Ray, but I still have the nagging feeling its Partridge.

I'm just keen to see how it plays out now. I'm impatient!

This season has certainly been head and shoulders above the last 2 or 3, definitely.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

Patridge is dead, that was confirmed.

 

[Dark Raven]

Did we actually see a body though or hear anything about an autopsy?

They still need to explain this sinister organisation within the police force though whose password is Tyger Tyger. That was formerly attributed to Red John, but now it seems as if it's been retconned and he's either saying it as a warning or a reference to that organisation. Is he part of it or against it?

Is it 3 episodes to go until the big Red John reveal?

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

They showed him being carted away in episode 2.

Yeah Tyger Tyger needs to be explained not just for explanations sake but for reasons sake. Why does it exist? And what is Red John's role in all of it?

 

[Pink Ranger]

I thought they were introducing a potential new love interest for Cho this week, but it wasn't to be. I was sad to see Beth Riesgraf die a grisly death. I wonder if Jane's remark at the end about having leverage against RJ (because he knows about the tattoos on his shoulder) was a subtle reference to her former show, Leverage.

Brett Styles seems to have been missing from Visualize since the time that those predictions were made. Don't know if that means anything or not.

OMG, the last 6 years have been a big long con! Jane's family is alive and well, living in the Turks and Caicos under Eliott's protection, while the entire CBI is a fake police organization made up of acting student's from Sophie's school. Red John is actually Nate leaving clues around to take revenge on Jane for all the people he fooled when he was a fake psychic.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

Wow. If that's true then he's been using Jane's guilt as Leverage to make him do good. Brilliant.

 

[Dark Raven]

Is Jane still planning to kill Red John? If so, that would happen in 3 episodes time. Unless of course he only discovers his identity but doesn't necessarily catch him. If he does kill him though, he'll be in the same situation as he was at the end of Season 3.

 

[cyclone]

It wasn't confirmed Partridge was dead at all. You saw;

- a body-bag being wheeled in to an ambulance
- Jane tell Lisbon Partridge is dead

That doesn't confirm anything. Especially given that we saw Kirkland (one of the seven) shot, we know he's dead, that's definitely true. But to have one of the 7 just wheeled off in a body-bag without us seeing it's Partridge?

Don't buy it, sorry!

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

But the previews for the episodes have counted down the suspects every time. When Partridge died there was 6 left, when Kirkland died there were 5. They're telling us he's dead. And if not I'm going to be mad.

 

[Dark Raven]

If you look on Wikipedia at the upcoming episodes, after the Red John episode in 3 weeks time, the titles no longer contain the colour red in them anymore. But they still have a colour: eg "My Blue Heaven", "Green Thumb" etc.

So I guess the mystery of Red John will finally be laid to rest. Now the question is whether Malcolm McDowell will show up before then or only in the RJ episode.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

Umm....did you not see the preview for the next episode? Jane is going to round up all 5 RJ suspects and find out who has the tattoo. McDowell is with them.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Umm....did you not see the preview for the next episode? Jane is going to round up all 5 RJ suspects and find out who has the tattoo. McDowell is with them.

"Hand, me, the keys, you ******* **********."

 

[Dark Raven]

Umm....did you not see the preview for the next episode? Jane is going to round up all 5 RJ suspects and find out who has the tattoo. McDowell is with them.

I did not.

 

[cyclone]

Another brilliant episode!

I think there was some issue with it not airing either in Canada or America, but it aired in the other one? I'm not sure, so I'll spoiler tag it for those who don't want to know anything.

Spoiler

So Jane finds a link between Bertram, Smith, and McAllister. This is still to me pointing at some kind of 'vigilante' team up, with those 3 doing anything they can to catch Red John. I wonder if one of them got to the victim at the end of the last episode, got the information they wanted about Red John, then killed her. So when Patrick asked her "who did this to you?", she was indeed telling him about her killer, not specifically Red John.

Also, having a bomb blow up the room with the 'suspects' and Jane inside would be stupid (IMO) if Red John was inside too.... Which makes me suspect none of the 5 are Red John. Guess where I'm going with this...... Yup. Brett Partridge. He was trying to take them all out. The man who will never stop trying to find him, 3 people who are willing to do whatever necessary to find him, and some collateral damage (Styles and Haffner). Interesting times to follow......

 

[Dr.]

Another brilliant episode!

I think there was some issue with it not airing either in Canada or America, but it aired in the other one? I'm not sure, so I'll spoiler tag it for those who don't want to know anything.

Yeah, CBS screwed up by airing the new ep in some areas, a repeat in others (because of football). Spoiler tags would be good until everyone gets a chance to catch up.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

So they did show it? But not in America or Canada? What a rip! I'll check online to see if they have it on the CBS website.

They shouldn't have done that regardless, they knew the risks when football came on.