The Naked Gunn in The Superhero Cinematic Civil War Thread - Part 62

[Snow Queen]

So this Ice Cube War of the Worlds movie…its getting EVICERATED. Has anyone seen it? Is it really that awful?

It's a really thoughtful exploration of BUY AMAZON and the security state and BUY AMAZON and also some really subtle product placement BUY AMAZON IT WILL SAVE THE WORLD.

 

[Ninjablade]

Very curious as to how they're going to react. Especially with Feige having spent the last few months parading around taking an early victory lap. All these comments about changes (ones they should've madd ages ago), but they're too late and people aren't responding.

All while Doomsday is hanging over them like bad omen.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Very curious as to how they're going to react. Especially with Feige having spent the last few months parading around taking an early victory lap. All these comments about changes (ones they should've madd ages ago), but they're too late and people aren't responding.

All while Doomsday is hanging over them like bad omen.

Honestly, I think the internal offices of Marvel are going to be less harsh than fan circles are right now. No one's is getting fired over FF's performance, and the performanc is still overall stronger than most of their recent output that wasn't some mega event like D&W was.

I would be worried about Doomsday given the spent to the point where it needs to make 2 billion or else its more or less a failure and the international markets are shrinking, but that's not FF's fault they decided to pay RDJ 100 million and spend like a billion on it.

But to also be fair, Spider-Man is up next, and Spider-Man will do fine. Likely will have some kind of Doomsday tease also. So I don't think it's as dour as internet forums are making it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

For context, Phase 5:



Even at 550ish WW, that still is 3rd best from Phase 5 onward. Which yes, low bar considering that this was the worst Phase box office wise, but that's still better than most of their recent output. So as I have said, FF isn't a home run. But it isn't a disaster. There are things you can do next time to try and widen the appeal, such as more emphasis on action and such, and you're hoping they get some form of Avengers Doomsday/Secret Wars bump.

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

I agree with SF in that I don't think too much will happen inside Marvel due to the Box Office. Right now superhero films generally are pretty weak and of the ones that have done impressive numbers in the last few years it's pretty much just The Batman that hasn't been from Marvel. So they are still overall doing the best and they are acknowledging that mistakes have been made on their own part.

Obviously they have to make a ton of money with their Avengers movies due to their budgets, but that is an IP that makes everything else in superheroes seem small so many more care about that than the rest of the properties, and even if they don't do as well as they hope they still plan on resetting things afterwards, so while they of course want a strong trend going into that they know they still risk a lot if they recast old characters and also rely on "new" properties like X-Men.

They also have the desperation cheat card to just throw in the original Avengers team in Secret Wars and put them in a trailer and people will likely go nuts.

 

[Lily Adler]

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[Lily Adler]

Sucks that even the critically well received Marvel films are now struggling at the box office.

 

[Ninjablade]

I wouldn't have expected anyone to get fired, but just curious as to how they're going to move forward. More of a commentary on their year as a whole as opposed to singularly FF. I'm factoring Thunderbolts* as well, which seems like they immediately gave up on considering they gave the director X-Men instead of a sequel.

They're just in such a weird spot.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I wouldn't have expected anyone to get fired, but just curious as to how they're going to move forward. More of a commentary on their year as a whole as opposed to singularly FF. I'm factoring Thunderbolts* as well, which seems like they immediately gave up on considering they gave the director X-Men instead of a sequel.

They're just in such a weird spot.

I still expect FF to get a Phase 7 or whatever they call it sequel shortly after Secret Wars. The obvious way forward for Marvel is going to be build the brand through X-Men largely. Also probably reboot Cap and Iron Man and give the characters still around like Black Panther their next sequels.

 

[Lily Adler]

It's a really thoughtful exploration of BUY AMAZON and the security state and BUY AMAZON and also some really subtle product placement BUY AMAZON IT WILL SAVE THE WORLD.

Alexa! How to stop an alien invasion. Thankfully I'm watching it unfold on my Kindle Fire on my Amazon Prime Video app.

 

[DKDetective]

I love ya Shinobi, but truth is even if I did change it back, I got multiple people who will just redo it and they got numbers on me lol! FC and Snow are committed

Cough, they weren't even the ones who exacted the judgment.

 

[Lily Adler]

When alcoholism turns your cake into a pancake.

 

[DKDetective]

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When alcoholism turns your cake into a pancake.

The visible thong lines in the Homecoming suit are special.

 

[DKDetective]

False alarm Lil, false alarm.

Oop, look what happens when you get cocky.

I'm sitting at my smoker, watching the fire and scrolling all day. I will discover any attempts to evade the Court's judgment. Do not make things worse for yourself, my child.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I'm sitting at my smoker, watching the fire all day and scrolling. I will discover any attempts to evade the Court's judgment. Do not make things worse for yourself, my child.

Oh DK… you’ll realize I am NO Ninjablade.



*can’t put the gif I want but you get my drift with this one. *

 

[Ninjablade]

Oh DK… you’ll realize I am NO Ninjablade.

That's because I have taste

 

[kguillou]

I fee like the F4’s box office is kind of inconsequential at this point. We’re seeing these characters play major roles in the next two mcu films one way or the other. This kind of feels like The First Avenger all over again: a movie that landed very softly at the box office but lead directly into a box office behemoth and also sognificantly raised the profile of Cap.

Theres a chance Doomsday and Secret wars could do the same here.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

I’m more interested in finding the difference between Supes and FF and what’s making one resonant over the other. They have virtually the same critical reception, same Cinemascore, and the only thing I can think is that people just don’t care about the MCU the way they used to.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I fee like the F4’s box office is kind of inconsequential at this point. We’re seeing these characters play major roles in the next two mcu films one way or the other. This kind of feels like The First Avenger all over again: a movie that landed very softly at the box office but lead directly into a box office behemoth and also sognificantly raised the profile of Cap.

Theres a chance Doomsday and Secret wars could do the same here.

Like I said in another thread, if Doomsday and SW do well, then you will have featured them in a massive crossover. Then I say put Human Torch in Spider-Man 5, and try to get a similar effect NWH had on MoM, and then just deliver a good movie. The box office ceiling for FF should go up if you keep making better movies and building them up like you used to with newer characters

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

But what I genuinely want to know is if FF is currently at $368 million globally (in its second week) and Supes is at $551 million (in its fourth week?) globally, how does this spell disaster for the former? Especially when it’s the number one movie in its second week and arguably well received by the masses?

I really feel like people think any Marvel movie that releases has to make Avengers level money right off the bat, but unless it’s some heavy, heavy hitter, those days are done.

Especially when people can’t even afford to go to the movies anymore.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I’m more interested in finding the difference between Supes and FF and what’s making one resonant over the other. They have virtually the same critical reception, same Cinemascore, and the only thing I can think is that people just don’t care about the MCU the way they used to.

Superman is also louder, flashier, more overtly comedic and overwhelmingly action focused. F4, imo, does everything Superman does substantially better and part of that is not being those things but I suspect that's a big factor.

 

[DKDetective]

Oh DK… you’ll realize I am NO Ninjablade.

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*can’t put the gif I want but you get my drift with this one. *

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

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Oh you Canadian so and so…

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Sucks that even the critically well received Marvel films are now struggling at the box office.

Sucks it has a similar reception as Thunderbolts. Not in the same league.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Superman is also louder, flashier, more overtly comedic and overwhelmingly action focused. F4, imo, does everything Superman does substantially better and part of that is not being those things but I suspect that's a big factor.

It's a reflection of the US in a way that does not flatter us.

I also think the film suddenly becoming "super political" right before release has helped it a bit. Got people champion it online who might not be.