The Dark Knight Rises The New Catwoman Casting Thread

[Golgo-13]

ETA: Am I the only one who doesn't think she needs to technically be dressed "as a cat" to be Catwoman? I mean, what's wrong with a general cat-burglar outfit? She'd still be a female CATburglar, which would be enough to give her the moniker. I don't think the ears and tail are really the essence of the character...but then, not being a comics-reader I'm probably less of a "purist" than most folks here...

I can see Nolan not even having anyone even refer to her as 'Catwoman' in the movie. Like you said, she could just be a burgular, known as The 'Cat' like she originally wa in the comics. And i agree she doesn't have to even dress up like a Cat per say, her agility, and prowess can be so cat like that we get 'the cat vibe' without any elaborate feline costume.

 

[Super78]

EVAGELINE LILLY should be Catwoman.

 

[Super78]

More Evageline Lilly:

 

[Golgo-13]

Have you seen Lena Hadey in strong roles but also flirtatious, lascive, witty, ambiguous, apparently in love, etc.?
What are the qualities that you say? Because I haven't seen her in anything else than TSCC.

As far as Cotillard, one of flickchick85 earlier posts mentions many of her roles and almost every aspect of Catwoman's personality has been covered in her career. Every aspect. Do you think she's too cute? Go to The Manips thread and look for elgato's latest poster. Do that.

There lies the problem.

The first time i saw Lena was in the 'Descent' rip-off movie 'The Cave'. Where she played a doctor. It wasn't an Oscar worthy performance but i could tell she could act, and she convincingly portrayed a woman of inteligence. Next i saw her in the British romance 'Just Me and You', where she plays a woman that falls in love with another woman who's about to get married. She showed great range in this movie. Next i saw her in 'Brother Grimm' with Heath Ledger and Matt Damon, then 'The Contractor' with Wesley Snipes where she plays a cop; i think most know her from the movie '300' were she receieved alot of praise and several nominations for her portrayal of the Spartan queen 'Gorgo'.

Just like you said with Marion, Lena has played all the qualities that would make a believable Selina Kyle, at one point or another in her career. Check out some of the movies i named.

 

[Melkay]

There lies the problem.

The first time i saw Lena was in the 'Descent' rip-off movie 'The Cave'. Where she played a doctor. It wasn't an Oscar worthy performance but i could tell she could act, and she convincingly portrayed a woman of inteligence. Next i saw her in the British romance 'Just Me and You', where she plays a woman that falls in love with another woman who's about to get married. She showed great range in this movie. Next i saw her in 'Brother Grimm' with Heath Ledger and Matt Damon, then 'The Contractor' with Wesley Snipes where she plays a cop; i think most know her from the movie '300' were she receieved alot of praise and several nominations for her portrayal of the Spartan queen 'Gorgo'.

Just like you said with Marion, Lena has played all the qualities that would make a believable Selina Kyle, at one point or another in her career. Check out some of the movies i named.

Well, maybe that's the problem. Of those movies, I've only seen her in 300 and Brothers Grimm and I was underwhelmed by her performance in both. Maybe my problem with her is that I see her too SERIOUS and too TOUGH. Not that Catwoman isn't tough but she's also very playful, witty, flirtatious and always teasing. And I haven't seen Hadley in those roles.

I will try to see the ones in the rest of the list.

 

[Alucard]

They could just make it smaller in the movie to fit the actress' head.

Between you & me wouldn't you consider that common knowledge?

Also, not calling her Catwoman would be kind of dumb in my eyes. It's like not calling the Joker or Two-Face by name but rather getting us to imply that's their names.

More of my second top pick for Catwoman:

Angelina Jolie is a perfect choice. She's got it all for Catwoman. She's got the look and body, and certainly she's got the acting chops. That's how I see it. Jolie & Beckinsale are both PERFECT CHOICES.

 

[SuperZer0]

EVAGELINE LILLY should be Catwoman.

Mmmmm, beautiful. :heart:

 

[Ace of Knaves]

"If the milk turns out to be sour, I ain't the sorta ***** to drink it. Nah what I mean?"

 

[Laderlappen]

They didnt call Joker and Two-face or even Scarecrow Joker, Two-face & Scarecrow many times in the movies. Joker never calls himself Joker I believe, and the only times 'two-face' is mention is in the conversation between Harvey and Gordon. For Catwoman it should be the same. They dont have to call her Catwoman through out the whole movie, but a few times it should be mention in a way or another.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Joker is called "The Joker" or "The Clown" quite alot in the movie i thought.

 

[Melkay]

Angelina Jolie is a perfect choice. She's got it all for Catwoman. She's got the look and body, and certainly she's got the acting chops. That's how I see it. Jolie & Beckinsale are both PERFECT CHOICES.

Maybe it's a matter of conformity. Maybe it's a matter of expectations. You see them perfect, I see them less than perfect. Beckinsale hasn't proved any acting chops, and Jolie brings some of her own baggage to the table. My first (but not only) concern with Jolie is that (right now) her public image exceeds her own character's.

That and that there are others who ALSO have the look & the body and have more talent than she and Beckinsale. Sorry.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I think Angelinas high profile and this "Brangelina" thing with the adoptions is overshadowing her talents. She isn't Hollywoods leading lady just because she beautiful and is married to Brad Pitt. She has proven acting skills, I think shes perfect for Catwoman. The problem is that her last few roles havn't called for a really brilliant performance, they have just been action roles mostly. But give her something to really work with like the part of Catwoman and i think she'll shine.

 

[Crook]

You first choice was Bale, but was your first choice Ledger?

No, but that wasn't my point. Curveball casting runs the high risk of failure as much as success. Obvious casting has precedent for nailing a certain role, hence why it is generally favored and safe.

Let's get back to Bale... the guy who did The Machinist before Batman Begins. Did you decided how good was he for Batman was based on THAT FILM? Or based in American Psycho and Equilibrium? Bale too went against normal type-casting and that's how we know he's such a good actor.

The way the fanbase was thinking back then, it went like this:

American Psycho - proved to the fans that he could play the charming playboy with a dark edge
Equilibrium - proved to the fans that he could play the stoic lead that holds bottled up emotion inside his rough exterior
Machinist - proved to the fans that he was the type of actor that would put his all into the performance and get lost inside the character

All remarkable qualities for Bruce Wayne. Bale was far from a left-field choice in this regard.

Has Jolie done that?

She already has with A Mighty Heart, and it's looking like she'll do the same with Changeling.

By all standards, George Clooney would have made a terrific Batman/Bruce Wayne. He had the right face, the right complexion, and he was a known face. He could be a hero. He could be a protagonist. He was too obvious. And yet he failed miserably in that role (****macher aside). And for anybody who has seen Solaris or Siryana or even Intolerable Cruelty knows he is an splendid actor. Bale turned out to be much more creative and demanding of himself.

You can hold up this entire thing to direction and the script. All of it.

Is Jolie so creative and/or willing to disappear into her roles? Well, after seeing all her real-life tattoos in Wanted, I just don't know.

Her mainstream films are hardly any indication of the range and versatility that she possesses. Those roles do not require much. If you've looked at her performances in dramas such as Gia, Girl Interrupted, and A Mighty Heart, it's quite evident when called upon her, Jolie can pull off a great performance.

Neeson, as we've argued before, was type-casted intentionally to spin the character and make a plot twist.

It was a twist on his stereotypical role, but that relied on his image as wise teacher.

Who's RDJ?

Robert Downey Jr. The star of that little action action flick called Iron Man. Which I heard a few people liked.

And was Nicholson really such a good Joker? Wasn't he overthrown by a much less obvious choice? Wasn't Nicholson just... Nicholson in joker costume and make-up? (Burton mistakes aside).

I'm not gonna get into an argument about Nicholson. I'm just dealing with the general reception he garnered from that performance. And while I'm aware that there are now a sh1tload of fans lambasting Jack, it's still undeniable he left a huge mark on the franchise and especially at the time B89 was released. IIRC, his performance is in the top 50 greatest cinematic villains of all time, as dictated by the AFI. Surely anyone can see the recognition Jack had as the Joker, whether they liked him or not.

I think we've learned by now that too obvious is not so good.

I think all we've learned is that both have the potential to reach massive success both critically and financially. One is just more safer than the other.

 

[Laderlappen]

Hollywoods leading lady?

 

[Crook]

I can't come up with anyone higher than her at the moment.

 

[Laderlappen]

In what way?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

That she can command the biggest salaries out of all female actresses, that she can have pretty much any role she wants.

 

[The Major]

That she can command the biggest salaries out of all female actresses, that she can have pretty much any role she wants.

Agreed. Angie's the queen of Hollywood these days.

 

[Crook]

"Hollywood's Leading Man/Woman" title holds a certain criteria that can't be fulfilled by many. A combination of popularity, A-list status, leading roles, critical acclaim, box office draw, studio demand, etc. etc.

The female side is a lot more "lacking", for the lack of a better term. I'd still say Jolie leads the pack there though. As for the male side, I think it's undeniable Will Smith holds that crown.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea exactly. And why is she Hollywoods leading lady? It's not just because she georgeous and married to Brad Pitt. It's because she has proven time and time again what a great actress she is. She might of made some bad choices recently but that shouldn't take away from her abilities. It seems people don't like her as Catwoman because shes TOO perfect for it, like its the obvious choice. But ask yourselves this, why is she the obvious choice?

 

[Laderlappen]

If those are the criteria's, I dont think I can disagree. Except for the Box-office part.

 

[Crook]

The box office draw is a tough one. It only really seems to apply to films marketed towards mainstream. Not even the likes of Depp or Smith can carry a film's box office weight if it's a small independent.

 

[Citadel30]

anyone think Alyssa Milano could be up to the challenge?

I guess she is getting kinda old... but she can play a seductive/action figure type.

 

[Laderlappen]

The box office draw is a tough one. It only really seems to apply to films marketed towards mainstream. Not even the likes of Depp or Smith can carry a film's box office weight if it's a small independent.

I agree 100%. Look at Assasination of Jesse James. It was(imo) one of the greatest films of last year, it starred one of the most famous actors in the world, and it still flopped.

 

[The Major]

anyone think Alyssa Milano could be up to the challenge?

No.

I guess she is getting kinda old... but she can play a seductive/action figure type.

Milano can play the seductive part well but she fails at action.