The New Masters of Evil

[The Question]

They're the bad guys. They're gonna lose in the end, theres no debating that. The question is simply how.

That's an overly simplistic way of looking at it.

 

[Anubis]

There's always an exception to the rule, but seriously, they always loose. They might accomplish quite a bit here and there. God like power. Destroying half the universe. Taking Avengers HQ and beating Herc into a coma. Even taking over the entire world, destroying Washington, and putting heroes into concentration camps. But in the end, when it's all said and done, they lose. It's a fact of superhero comics. At least when dealing with storied continuities like the DCU or the MU. Now, I'd love to see what would happen if the Masters actually succeed in killing the Avengers and then taking over the world. But you're likely never to see that outside of a What if or something.

 

[The Question]

Again, that's just far too simplistic for me. Personally, I like to see it as a never ending game of chess. The heroes lose some peices, and the villains lose some peices. It goes back and forth and back and forth and it's not going to stop until they're all dead. At least, that's how I prefer it.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, an ongoing collective of villains, constantly trying to achieve their goals, losing here and there, but still managing to achieve something of a victory here and there. Works for me.

 

[LadyMoira]

Again, that's just far too simplistic for me. Personally, I like to see it as a never ending game of chess. The heroes lose some peices, and the villains lose some peices. It goes back and forth and back and forth and it's not going to stop until they're all dead. At least, that's how I prefer it.

I concur. Green Goblin never quite defeats Spiderman but Spidey never manages to vanquish Green Goblin for good either...it's a never ending dance. It continues with Batman and the Joker, Superman and Lex Luthor, Charles Xavier and Magneto etc. etc. And along the way there are a number of casualties on both sides.

 

[Kitsune]

I concur. Green Goblin never quite defeats Spiderman but Spidey never manages to vanquish Green Goblin for good either...it's a never ending dance. It continues with Batman and the Joker, Superman and Lex Luthor, Charles Xavier and Magneto etc. etc. And along the way there are a number of casualties on both sides.

The orginal Green Goblin should have stayed dead... I will never forgive Byrne for bringing him back.

 

[The Question]

Yeah, an ongoing collective of villains, constantly trying to achieve their goals, losing here and there, but still managing to achieve something of a victory here and there. Works for me.

Exactly. I can see most smash and grab bank robber types like the Wrecking crew getting caught alot because smash and grab bank jobs are generally very hastily done and leave tons of evidence behind. But major mafioso and/or terrorist organizations should have about a 50/50 record. I would see a proper group of Masters being a combination of both.

 

[deemar325]

NEW
MASTERS OF EVIL

Red Skull - Elected figurehead of the organization.
Taskmaster - He's here for the money and prestige.
Bullseye - Also here for the cash and Red Skull has taken Bullseye under his wing. *Frightening thought!*
Count Nerfaria - Provides finacial support and is the "Power house" of the group.
Green Goblin - The "Brains" Norman will use his vast intellect for more than just abusing Spider-man.
Madame Hydra - She provides the man-power and resources.
Lady Deathstrike - Asked to join, because of her formidable fighting skills and fascist views.
Mandarin - Vast and adaptable powers and access to alien technology, Mandarin will be Red Skull's greatest rival within the group.
Purpleman - Keeps the others in line.

 

[The Question]

The problem with the Red Skull is the whole Nazi thing. Even most criminals would have problems working with a Nazi.

 

[Anubis]

I thought he was a nihilist now.

 

[The Question]

Really? So, what, no he hates everyone, not just everyone who isn't a straight, white, physically fit and highly inteligent christian?

 

[Kitsune]

NEW
MASTERS OF EVIL

Red Skull - Elected figurehead of the organization.
Taskmaster - He's here for the money and prestige.
Bullseye - Also here for the cash and Red Skull has taken Bullseye under his wing. *Frightening thought!*
Count Nerfaria - Provides finacial support and is the "Power house" of the group.
Green Goblin - The "Brains" Norman will use his vast intellect for more than just abusing Spider-man.
Madame Hydra - She provides the man-power and resources.
Lady Deathstrike - Asked to join, because of her formidable fighting skills and fascist views.
Mandarin - Vast and adaptable powers and access to alien technology, Mandarin will be Red Skull's greatest rival within the group.

Two many "Leaders" and not enough followers. Hydra, Mandrin, Lady Deathstrike all tend to be leaders. Norman Osborn has been dead since before I read comics.

 

[The Question]

Don't forget Count Nefaria. I mean, he used to be the mafia don who's ass Wilson Fisk would kiss before the FBI had The Avengers take his organization down.

 

[deemar325]

The problem with the Red Skull is the whole Nazi thing. Even most criminals would have problems working with a Nazi.

True, but all the characters I chose are in some way elitists or easily swayed by finacial gain only Deathstrike would need a specific reason for joining such a group and my reasoning is that Mandarin brought her in as his "consort/advisor".

Taskmaster would join for the money and the status, Bullseye the same and add that with my notion of Red Skull sort of playing the "Apt Pupil" role with Pointdexter, being the father figure to such a mentally deseased man. Count Nefaria is Uber elitist and no stranger to fascist views.

Basically all these guys are pure evil, so what if the guy in charge is a Nazi?

 

[The Question]

True, but all the characters I chose are in some way elitists or easily swayed by finacial gain only Deathstrike would need a specific reason for joining such a group and my reasoning is that Mandarin brought her in as his "consort/advisor".

Taskmaster would join for the money and the status, Bullseye the same and add that with my notion of Red Skull sort of playing the "Apt Pupil" role with Pointdexter, being the father figure to such a mentally deseased man. Count Nefaria is Uber elitist and no stranger to fascist views.

Basically all these guys are pure evil, so what if the guy in charge is a Nazi?

Eh. With most people, it's simply that "Nazi = Evil" is ingraned in their brains. Bullseye wouldn't care, since he's bassically one notch above a serial killer, and Taskmaster is a never ask questions type, but I'm sure Deathstrike and Mandarine would care, primairilu because they're asian and thus veiwed as racially impure by the Nazis, so they'd be constantly worried that The Red Skull would stab them in the back. Nefaria would also probably worry about The Red Skull, since he's a more old school mafia type. Those guys thrive much better in a Democracy than a fascist regime. Plus, even a guy like Nefaria would find the actions of the Nazis completely apalling.

 

[deemar325]

Two many "Leaders" and not enough followers. Hydra, Mandrin, Lady Deathstrike all tend to be leaders. Norman Osborn has been dead since before I read comics.

That's the point, it's sorta like DC's Society, with Red Skull as "Chairman" each person has resources that would aid them as a whole with Bullseye and Deathstrike more as "Field Generals".

Occasionally the entire group will go into battle, usually after the fruition of their evil plans and as a chance to gloat in front of their archenemies of course.

 

[deemar325]

Eh. With most people, it's simply that "Nazi = Evil" is ingraned in their brains. Bullseye wouldn't care, since he's bassically one notch above a serial killer, and Taskmaster is a never ask questions type, but I'm sure Deathstrike and Mandarine would care, primairilu because they're asian and thus veiwed as racially impure by the Nazis, so they'd be constantly worried that The Red Skull would stab them in the back. Nefaria would also probably worry about The Red Skull, since he's a more old school mafia type. Those guys thrive much better in a Democracy than a fascist regime. Plus, even a guy like Nefaria would find the actions of the Nazis completely apalling.

Point take Q, as far as DS & Mandarin it would be like the Japanese/German relationship. Both benefit from their common goals that's why I posted in my initial idea that Mandarin would be the Skull's biggest rival.

Nefaria is a opportunist like any criminal, but my idea is the Count being swept up in the notion of ruling the world. His thinking would be (..and the deal he brokered with Red Skull..) that when they accomplish their goals Nefaria would rule a good chunk of the earth just like every other member of the MoE. I'm sure any moral objections he would have would go out the window if given the chance to live like his Roman ancestors "Nero/Ceasar etc..."

 

[The Question]

I guess. Still, I think most of them would feel really uncomfortable around The Red Skull. Especially when talk of "racial purity" comes up.

 

[deemar325]

I guess. Still, I think most of them would feel really uncomfortable around The Red Skull. Especially when talk of "racial purity" comes up.

Heh! Probaly. At least for the two "Yellow skinned" members, but do you really think Nefaria,Tasky,Bullseye,Purpleman,Osborn and Madame Hydra would care if a billion or so minorities die because of their actions? Mandarin and DS would make sure the Asians would survive everybody else screw'em!

 

[The Question]

Bullseye, Osborn, and Killgrave, probably not since they enjoy watching things die. Madam Hydra I'm not sure about. But Nefaria, Mandarin, and Deathstrike would all probably have problems with it.

 

[deemar325]

Madame Hydra is basically a Nazi, Hydra was formed on Nazi ideas "Baron Strucker" anyone?

Nefaria as I stated before would be swayed by power and becoming a latter day 'Alexander the Great'.

Mandarin and DS would probaly betray Red Skull at some point or expect to be turned on by RS, it's sorta like knowing your in a bad situation, but it's better than the alternative.

 

[The Question]

Madame Hydra is basically a Nazi, Hydra was formed on Nazi ideas "Baron Strucker" anyone?

True. Forgot about that.

Nefaria as I stated before would be swayed by power and becoming a latter day 'Alexander the Great'.

Still. Teaming with a Nazi would leave a bad staste in his mouth.

Mandarin and DS would probaly betray Red Skull at some point or expect to be turned on by RS, it's sorta like knowing your in a bad situation, but it's better than the alternative.

True.


Personally, I think the only flaw in your team is that there's far too much of a chance for backstabbing. If you want the group to be around for a good long while, at least.

 

[Galact-Gal]

Tsk, Tsk. Really, folks, what's to discuss? All you need are a bunch of Hand Ninjas.t:

 

[Alex Summers]

Is the Red Skull a nihilist now? I thought he just abandoned the ideals of the Nazi regime and went to anarchy instead. I guess one could say that anarchy and nihilism are similar in some ways.

 

[Kitsune]

Tsk, Tsk. Really, folks, what's to discuss? All you need are a bunch of Hand Ninjas.t:

Here you go.