The NEW OFFICIAL Green Arrow Thread!

[SenseiofCheese]

This is where it comes in handy to be on a first-name basis with Superman.

 

[Stealth_Prime]

why connor? i'd rather it was roy instead, if they had to kill any of them, which they didn't.

Add me to the I want to see Roy die team

 

[Manic]

Not Roy! Not Roy! Well, given the choice, kill Roy. Otherwise, not Roy!

 

[chris moore]

Kill none of them - just be more careful with how they're writeen. Ollie has been abou family for some time now. Marrying Dinah just reinforces this, so this should be the focus - Ollie bettering himself through being the strength for his family.

 

[Manic]

Yeah, let Ollie keep his sons, daughter, wife, and... why did they get rid of Sin, again?

 

[Stealth_Prime]

Anyone remember Batman's famous statement in GA's early issues?

(paraphased) good god man, haven't you had any original thought!?

I thought that was so worth the money.

 

[Aristotle]

What was he referring to?

 

[Varient]

Love the preview pages - clever idea of Ollies. The art on this book is great too!

Very nice touch on that.

Very well done. It's about time someone besides Lois used that fact.

 

[Varient]

This is where it comes in handy to be on a first-name basis with Superman.

 

[Harlekin]

What was he referring to?

Arrow Cave and the like.

 

[Stealth_Prime]

What was he referring to?

Batman was referring to Ollie copying Bats naming everything he owned; just like Batman:

Arrow cave; batcave etc......

 

[Aristotle]

Ah yes, I seem to recall now...

 

[BrianWilly]

Green Arrow and Black Canary #4
Ha. Good try there, Winick. You almost had me.

I almost bought this, because this was a pretty damn good issue. Yes, you heard me correctly. This was extremely well written. The dialogue, the interaction, the narrative...all of that was Winick at his best. With everything that's wrong with DC at the moment, with everything that has been horribly handled (some of it coming from this very series), it's just sort of comforting to know that this still the same universe where Superman will come if you call for his help.

(Which...kinda begs the question of why Ollie wasn't screaming himself hoarse when he was kidnapped by Shamazons, but stilll)

And of course, ultra special mega mention shoutout goes to Cliff Chiang for art that is awesomerock.

Now, the reason I didn't buy this issue, and am very glad right now that I didn't, is the "plot." To even call it a "plot" is truly an insult to real plotlines.

First of all, to get it out of the way: Sorry, Judd, Kevin Smith already wrote this story and wrote it better. It was exponentially more organic and natural and, well, it actually made sense as a story.

This issue is just not a story, and to take it further, this whole series has not been a story at all. Ignore the actual characters for a moment and look at the plot we've had so far: Some characters go to rescue the protagonist from an island that has had nothing to do with any of the characters and will likely henceforth have nothing to do with them, and on the way back a magic bullet appears from the skies and shoots someone, who is now in a coma.

What? What?

It's pure shlock and shock. This entire series right from the beginning has not been built on plot but on shock and cheap twists. Which is inexcusable enough by itself, much less when Judd in this very issue shows he could be capable of so much more.

(4.7 out of 10)

 

[Dirt Like Me]

Green Arrow and Black Canary #4
Ha. Good try there, Winick. You almost had me.

I almost bought this, because this was a pretty damn good issue. Yes, you heard me correctly. This was extremely well written. The dialogue, the interaction, the narrative...all of that was Winick at his best. With everything that's wrong with DC at the moment, with everything that has been horribly handled (some of it coming from this very series), it's just sort of comforting to know that this still the same universe where Superman will come if you call for his help.

(Which...kinda begs the question of why Ollie wasn't screaming himself hoarse when he was kidnapped by Shamazons, but stilll)

And of course, ultra special mega mention shoutout goes to Cliff Chiang for art that is awesomerock.

Now, the reason I didn't buy this issue, and am very glad right now that I didn't, is the "plot." To even call it a "plot" is truly an insult to real plotlines.

First of all, to get it out of the way: Sorry, Judd, Kevin Smith already wrote this story and wrote it better. It was exponentially more organic and natural and, well, it actually made sense as a story.

This issue is just not a story, and to take it further, this whole series has not been a story at all. Ignore the actual characters for a moment and look at the plot we've had so far: Some characters go to rescue the protagonist from an island that has had nothing to do with any of the characters and will likely henceforth have nothing to do with them, and on the way back a magic bullet appears from the skies and shoots someone, who is now in a coma.

What? What?

It's pure shlock and shock. This entire series right from the beginning has not been built on plot but on shock and cheap twists. Which is inexcusable enough by itself, much less when Judd in this very issue shows he could be capable of so much more.

(4.7 out of 10)

I agree with you about the lack of a plot, but I think there's no reason to ignore the characters. I love these characters, that's why I read them. I think an issue of Ollie doing nothing but cooking chili would be fun.

Personally, I think that the GA family, plus Cliff Chiang's art, plus a dash of [BLACKOUT]Batman[/BLACKOUT] made this well worth the three bucks. No masterpiece, but a solid read.

 

[Harlekin]

Connor survives, right?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes. Braindead in a coma. Score one for Winick.

 

[yenaled]

I bet he gets MRSA.

 

[chris moore]

Very moving. I dont know yet if this is spitting in the face of Connor. But I would hope that Ollie (though he may give up the mantle for two secs, which is daft one issue after the art team design a brilliant new costume - coulda left him getting that until we resolve this Connor sit) now does everything he can to find who and why and uses Batman to uncover how to potentially reverse the effects fo the poison. After all, like Bruce said this ish, he knows what its like to lose a son as well as be the son who loses, so the same drive that makes him Batman will hopefully be used here.

 

[sinewave]

i liked the issue, but i'm pissed about connor getting ****ed over once again. i think what i liked most about it is ollie's character. he's a prick with a ton of flaws and he knows it and is constantly struggling with that side of himself. he's easy to relate to in that regard, for me.

 

[BrianWilly]

Since this is comics, Connor will no doubt get better before the end of the year in an orgy of dramallama and wangst. Still doesn't stop the story from being cheap and unorganic.

I mean come on. Some guy magically shot him with a magic bullet from the clouds out of freaking nowhere. And now they just magically can't find him even with the entire League's resources (yet another staple of Winick-written comics; the villains' real superpower is to run away. I swear to Buffy, it's four-to-five odds that it ends up being Deathstroke anyway). The entire point was to tease death and then have a "shocking" ending.

I do agree, though, that the characterization was off the wall this issue, and I mean off the wall good.

 

[WompuM]

So you read the issue but didnt buy it?

 

[BrianWilly]

Story of my life.

I actually bought the first three issues of this book, back when I was still giving it a chance.

 

[Harlekin]

Damn you Winick!

 

[Anubis]

So, Connor isn't dead, just out of action for awhile. Pfft, Kevin Smith did this already.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Connor's braindead, so it'll probably at least be a long while that he's out of commission for.