Homecoming The Next Spider-Man - - - - - Part 14

[Pecola1]

He isn't the best choice, acting-wise. Even his biggest supporters must admit to that. They only want him because he he's good at cracking jokes. .
Look at actual acting skills, and Dylan doesn't have much to bring to the table when he's put against Highmore, Sangster etc (even Lerman).

 

[gremleytel]

right, that is exactly my point.

and my opinion, is that o'brien is the best man for this job.

Agree. For me, O'Brien embodies what I imagine Peter Parker to be totally. I have yet to be convinced of any other choices on here or from that supposed shortlist which is being regarded as an official one now by most news outlets.

 

[dony2012]

Yup, Dylan is a great actor.

 

[Airwings]

right, that is exactly my point.

and my opinion, is that o'brien is the best man for this job.

But I didn't say Hathaway was bad in the role. Neither would several actors be for Spider-Man, even if people here dismiss them as boring and uncharismatic.

I'm not 100% sure that Green would have been a great Catwoman and the best actress for the part. It's just a feeling I have. She might not have fit Nolan's vision. The same could happen with Dylan. The majority love him and have the feeling he's perfect, but somebody else could very well fit the tone of the film better.

 

[Rodrigo90]

That's a rather odd thing to ask; what sort of silly person would support Dylan for the role if they didn't think he was the best choice , acting-wise?



It's between you, harryoscop, and Talion.

Me O'Brien for Spidey!

 

[Pecola1]

Agree. For me, O'Brien embodies what I imagine Peter Parker to be totally. I have yet to be convinced of any other choices on here or from that supposed shortlist which is being regarded as an official one now by most news outlets.

From what I have seen news outlets are still saying 'according to Seider" to make sure they don't get in trouble. Which signifies they are just getting on the Sneider train where they claim it is the short-list, but make clear it might not be official, and make a post so that they are on top of the news, instead of because they actually have something. :/

 

[Jay Beezy]

He isn't the best choice, acting-wise. Even his biggest supporters must admit to that. They only want him because he he's good at cracking jokes. .
Look at actual acting skills, and Dylan doesn't have much to bring to the table when he's put against Highmore, Sangster etc (even Lerman).

And yet when you consider Feige's comments about wanting a Spider-Man with a non-stop wit, how does someone like Lerman fit the mold better than Dylan?

 

[Airwings]

Yup, Dylan is a great actor.

No, but he is funny guy

 

[Jay Beezy]

I'm not 100% sure that Green would have been a great Catwoman and the best actress for the part. It's just a feeling I have. She might not have fit Nolan's vision. The same could happen with Dylan. The majority love him and have the feeling he's perfect, but somebody else could very well fit the tone of the film better.

Consider these remarks from Feige:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/marvels-new-cinematic-spider-man-788986

Feige suggested that fans should expect more of the character's comic book comedy in his next incarnation. "When he puts that mask on, in the comics, he has a non-stop wit that's almost as troubling to the bad guys he fights as his webs and agility. We feel we haven't really seen that yet."

Sounds like Dylan fits that mold.

 

[Airwings]

And yet when you consider Feige's comments about wanting a Spider-Man with a non-stop wit, how does someone like Lerman fit the mold better than Dylan?

Better choice regarding personality, but not acting skills. Does it sound better?

If Buttermilk DOES end up in the role, how will Feige explain that specific casting choice then? It's intriguing!!!!

 

[Jay Beezy]

Better choice regarding personality, but not acting skills. Does it sound better?

If Buttermilk DOES end up in the role, how will Feige explain that specific casting choice then? It's intriguing!!!!

Based on what I've seen from his acting, yes, he still sounds better than someone like Lerman.

Different kinds of acting skills on display. Comedy acting skills vs. dramatic acting skills. Apples vs. oranges. And it sounds like Feige is leaning toward the former.

If Butterboo does snag it, then fine. But right now, I just don't see anyone else having the necessary skills for it.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Agree. For me, O'Brien embodies what I imagine Peter Parker to be totally. I have yet to be convinced of any other choices on here or from that supposed shortlist which is being regarded as an official one now by most news outlets.

But I didn't say Hathaway was bad in the role. Neither would several actors be for Spider-Man, even if people here dismiss them as boring and uncharismatic.

I'm not 100% sure that Green would have been a great Catwoman and the best actress for the part. It's just a feeling I have. She might not have fit Nolan's vision. The same could happen with Dylan. The majority love him and have the feeling he's perfect, but somebody else could very well fit the tone of the film better.

and I didn't say hathaway, hardy, and elba were bad in their roles, either. just that casting still could've been better. there's a fine line between a director's vision and how much can be made a reality. that's one of the big problems I have with nolan's batman films. people say things like "these are not the comics." obviously yeah, but nolan didn't pull these characters out of his ass, he pulled them out of comic books. there is a certain substance, and essence to them and if you alter them enough, it really does not feel genuine anymore, other than the fact that the characters share the same names, arcs, and goals.

but - I shouldn't keep going with that. I've made my point, no need to further divulge off topic.

 

[Mumei]

Better choice regarding personality, but not acting skills. Does it sound better?

If Buttermilk DOES end up in the role, how will Feige explain that specific casting choice then? It's intriguing!!!!

It's not better, no. Comedic acting skills are "actual acting skills." The ability to perform physical comedy is a skill. Comedic timing is a skill. Improvisation is a skill. It's not just a matter of "personality" that someone is good at that, because humor doesn't necessarily translate from "real life" to the screen, in much the same way that a person can be arresting and charismatic in person, but wooden on screen.

I realize that there's a cohort - yourself and PeterBenParker chief among them, though there are others - who genuinely think that he's a bad actor. But that impression clearly isn't widely shared, not just on this forum but in the critical reception to his most recent work.

 

[Airwings]

It's not just a matter of "personality" that someone is good at that, because humor doesn't necessarily translate from "real life" to the screen, in much the same way that a person can be arresting and charismatic in person, but wooden on screen.

Some people often mention Dylan's real life personality as a strong reason he should be Spider-Man.

 

[Jay Beezy]

Whoever they pick, I'll go see it regardless. Because once it's done, the actor they choose is someone we'll have to accept. And if whoever they cast is someone we thought was uncharismatic and dull or just simply lacking the "acting skills" as people generically define, he must have proven otherwise in his audition.

But as it stands right now, we can believe those are reasons why certain actors aren't likely to land the role. But let's not make up imaginary scenarios where our preferred choices have proven themselves as capable of handling certain parts when the reality is that they haven't.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Some people often mention Dylan's real life personality as a strong reason he should be Spider-Man.

i'd say that worked in robert downey jr's favor as well when he did iron man.

 

[Jay Beezy]

Some people often mention Dylan's real life personality as a strong reason he should be Spider-Man.

People also say the personality he *acts* with on Teen Wolf is another strong reason he should be Spider-Man.

 

[Mumei]

Some people often mention Dylan's real life personality as a strong reason he should be Spider-Man.

And that might be a good guide for "fit." Do you remember reading this article? I linked it, but you may not have seen it. In it, casting directors "discussed attempting to find new film stars on Vine; why having greater acting talent than a rival may only account for 7% of the reason an actor is cast in a particular role; and exactly how independent filmmakers can snare the stars that will ensure their film gets funded," including Disney's Randi Hiller:

Discussing her work, Hiller said few actors could be so versatile that they become entirely different people, and that most essentially play versions of themselves – or, as she put it, they “operate on the same base energy sphere”. She said some, like Sean Penn, could expand the parameters widely.

So, if Dylan seems like a good fit in that regard, because of his personality, it stems from that sort of thinking - that it takes less mental work to imagine him in the role than some other actors. But just because you're a good fit in terms of personality doesn't mean that you'll have the skill to translate that to screen. I support him for multiple reasons - his look, his personality, and his acting ability are all part of the picture. If he lacked one of those, I'd think he would be anywhere from less-than-ideal to downright bad for the role. The argument from personality is complementary; it's not meant to be a replacement for ability.

 

[Jay Beezy]

Boy, it certainly feels a lot less hostile around here without Talion.

 

[DavidW]

He isn't the best choice, acting-wise. Even his biggest supporters must admit to that. They only want him because he he's good at cracking jokes. .
Look at actual acting skills, and Dylan doesn't have much to bring to the table when he's put against Highmore, Sangster etc (even Lerman).

Yeah but then you want Isaac Hempstead-Wright or whatever he's called to be SPIDER-MAN so... Enough said on your judgement.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Which is really pathetic to be honest, and will not get him the role.

Wait now.

So Billy can campaign for something he won't get and it'll be deemed as pathetic. Dylan can campaign for something he won't get and it's deemed as good and that he should get it?

I'm referencing to all the times where he claimed he wanted to be Spider-Man, too before we officially got this deal.

 

[RivenSky]

Look at actual acting skills, and Dylan doesn't have much to bring to the table when he's put against Highmore, Sangster etc (even Lerman).

I feel like that's more a matter of opinion. I think he's a fantastic actor and could easily go toe to toe with some of the best. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Airwings]

Yeah but then you want Isaac Hempstead-Wright or whatever he's called to be SPIDER-MAN so... Enough said on your judgement.

I can admit that Isaac isn't the greatest of actors, but he's pretty decent and I think he will suit the role quite well (he's not my number one pick, though).
How many Dylan supporters will do the same and agree that their choice isn't a great actor?

 

[Jay Beezy]

Wait now.

So Billy can campaign for something he won't get and it'll be deemed as pathetic. Dylan can campaign for something he won't get and it's deemed as good and that he should get it?

I'm referencing to all the times where he claimed he wanted to be Spider-Man, too before we officially got this deal.

See, this is the more important part. Why hasn't he done it *after* like Billy is doing?

 

[RivenSky]

See, this is the more important part. Why hasn't he done it *after* like Billy is doing?

It's called a Non-Disclosure Agreement.