Homecoming The Next Spider-Man - - - - - - Part 15

[Airwings]

I'm hoping neither one nabs the role.

I want someone who isn't being touted by these scoopers. For the sake of surprise

Isaac culd be one of the ways to go, the so-called (W)right way

 

[frombso]

And what does it say about you that you would say Lerman would have that NY Jewish sense of humor on the sole basis of him being Jewish, despite not being from NY and having demonstrated very minimal humor in general, NY Jewish or not?

I don't know, because I personally don't believe there is such a thing as "New York Jewish humor".

I barely believe there's such a thing as Jewish humor, except for the fact that a lot of comedians are Jewish.

Well, a lot of candidates to play Spider-Man are Jewish, too, so what? (as opposed to candidates to play Superman or Batman, who are usually just British; if not for the Jews, there would be no Americans on the shortlist of five for Spider-Man at all).

Maybe it's because I'm Jewish and I've spent exactly a day in New York in my whole life, but I'm not a fan of whenever I see the term "New York Jew" as if it's some kind of ethnicity. Jews in New York are the same as Jews anyplace else.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I don't know, because I personally don't believe there is such a thing as "New York Jewish humor".

I barely believe there's such a thing as Jewish humor, except for the fact that a lot of comedians are Jewish.

Well, a lot of candidates to play Spider-Man are Jewish, too, so what? (as opposed to candidates to play Superman or Batman, who are usually just British; if not for the Jews, there would be no Americans on the shortlist of five for Spider-Man at all).

Maybe it's because I'm Jewish and I've spent exactly a day in New York in my whole life, but I'm not a fan of whenever I see the term "New York Jew" as if it's some kind of ethnicity. Jews in New York are the same as Jews anywhere else.

Not to get into a whole thing, and I'm sure Raven can explain it better, I think it is basically has its origins in the Catskills where many comedians broke into show biz, many of them Jewish.

And about your last line, New York definitely has a vibe of its own.

I mean no disrespect to you or any Jewish person. Or New Yorker, for that matter.

Anyway, I'd rather not discuss it. Raven brought it up, I don't remember the specifics. Maybe just call it New York humor?

 

[frombso]

Not to get into a whole thing, and I'm sure Raven can explain it better, I think it is basically has its origins in the Catskills where many comedians broke into show biz, many of them Jewish.

And about your last line, New York definitely has a vibe of its own.

I know all about the Catskills.

New York may have a vibe of its own, but why call it "New York Jewish humor" then? Yes, call it "New York humor", as you say. I don't mind sharing credit with Dylan O'Brien and his people.

 

[harryoscop]

I have absolutely no preference for the role, so my comment is just a comment on whether an actor can "do comedy" or not. I'm an old guy (57 years old).....all the time I was growing up, there was a very serious actor that did tons of work. He was the general, police detective, lawyer, doctor....who never cracked a smile and never said anything funny in his movies. Then one day I hear about this comedy he is going to star in.....it's going to fail I and many others said, because he just can't do comedy. The movie was AIRPLANE. Today.....all that Leslie Nielson is known for is comedies...hardly anyone remembers his serious work.

So when I keep reading that so and so can't be funny because he has never done comedy....it just means you have never "seen" him do comedy.

Exactly!

 

[Chris B]

I'm only basing this on photos and YouTube clips, but I think I'd prefer Holland over Butterfied if it has indeed come down to them. Holland seems to have the better personality for the character and he kind of reminds of the way Peter was drawn in he 90's cartoon.

 

[frombso]

P.S., I thought everyone here would find this very funny:
http://www.firstshowing.net/2010/josh-hutcherson-cast-as-spider-man-villain-might-be-lizard/

From June 30, 2010:

"Josh Hutcherson Cast as Spider-Man, Villain May Be Lizard?
There's a very big rumor going around today that actor Josh Hutcherson has fully landed the role of Peter Parker in Marc Webb's Spider-Man reboot. The news comes from Blue Sky Disney... Apparently the execs "decided that Hutcherson was the right fit for the role and an offer was made and has been accepted"..."

That ran on all the usual sites.

That was exactly one day before July 1, 2010:
http://www.firstshowing.net/2010/sony-officially-announces-new-spider-man-andrew-garfield/

"Sony Officially Announces New Spider-Man - Andrew Garfield"

 

[Marvel Spider]

P.S., I thought everyone here would find this very funny:
http://www.firstshowing.net/2010/josh-hutcherson-cast-as-spider-man-villain-might-be-lizard/

From June 30, 2010:

"Josh Hutcherson Cast as Spider-Man, Villain May Be Lizard?
There's a very big rumor going around today that actor Josh Hutcherson has fully landed the role of Peter Parker in Marc Webb's Spider-Man reboot. The news comes from Blue Sky Disney... Apparently the execs "decided that Hutcherson was the right fit for the role and an offer was made and has been accepted"..."

That ran on all the usual sites.

That was exactly one day before July 1, 2010:
http://www.firstshowing.net/2010/sony-officially-announces-new-spider-man-andrew-garfield/

"Sony Officially Announces New Spider-Man - Andrew Garfield"

Haha, I remember this. Very good (implied) point, too.

 

[Dark Raven]

I know all about the Catskills.

New York may have a vibe of its own, but why call it "New York Jewish humor" then? Yes, call it "New York humor", as you say. I don't mind sharing credit with Dylan O'Brien and his people.

It's not like anyone here called it Jewish humour as if they came up with the term. It's an actual thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_humour

And it's almost a style of humour. While it originates from Jewish tradition, it doesn't mean someone has to be Jewish to have that type of humour. It has filtered into much of American comedy (partly through osmosis), but is a different style to dry British humour. It doesn't even have to be particular to New York, although that is where it might be seen as most typical. There was even Jewish humour in shows like Frasier, which was set in Seattle and didn't even feature a mostly Jewish cast except for Bebe Neuwirth as an occasional guest star.

 

[frombso]

It's not like anyone here called it Jewish humour as if they came up with the term. It's an actual thing.

I know you didn't come up with it. People who use the "N word" today didn't come up with the "N word" either (I'm not saying the two are remotely comparable, just making a point).

And like I said, it's not "New York Jewish humor".

BTW, does Gal Gadot have "Jewish humor"? I don't recall that she did in the Fast and Furious movies, although she most likely didn't write the dialogue herself, just like the actors I mentioned.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

jewish humor? catskills? what is going on here lol

i think i'll retire from casting speculation at this point. i'll continue rooting for o'brien, but i'll bow out of the discussion till it is officially announced.

 

[Dark Raven]

I know you didn't come up with it. People who use the "N word" today didn't come up with the "N word" either (I'm not saying the two are remotely comparable, just making a point).

And like I said, it's not "New York Jewish humor".

BTW, does Gal Gadot have "Jewish humor"? I don't recall that she did in the Fast and Furious movies, although she most likely didn't write the dialogue herself, just like the actors I mentioned.

I don't know if Gal has it or not, because I haven't watched F&F.

But as I said, Jewish humour is the term given for a style of humour. I don't think it means though that ALL Jewish people have that style of humour by default simply by virtue of being Jewish. Everyone has different experiences and influences in life depending on how and where they were raised. Similarly, it is possible that someone who isn't Jewish can have that Jewish sense of humour.

I think the problem is that you see the words "Jewish" and "humour" and automatically equate them with being Jewish and that it is something that all people of that background have. But I think "Jewish humour" is more a label used to denote a particular style and tradition from where that type of humour originates. You might not like the label, but it's used for convenience's sake and people in the film and TV industry all know what they mean by it and aren't going to suddenly find another terminology.

It's just become a shorthand way of saying something much longer that everyone understands, just like when people say they're stuck in "Groundhog day". Everyone knows what that means (if you've seen the film) and saves people having to explain something much more long winded. Both have become a "type" used for convenience.

 

[frombso]

It's just become a shorthand way of saying something much longer that everyone understands, just like when people say they're stuck in "Groundhog day" Everyone knows what that means (if you've seen the film) and saves people having to explain something much more long winded. Both have become a "type" used for convenience.

"Groundhog Day" means living the same day over and over. It's simple and has one definition.

On the other hand, what would "Jewish humor" mean? What is the style exactly? You could try and explain it but it would be long and very debatable, and far from everyone would get it. Most people would assume it's humor told by Jews, or something. If you asked "people in the film and TV industry" you would get many different answers.

 

[harryoscop]

P.S., I thought everyone here would find this very funny:
http://www.firstshowing.net/2010/josh-hutcherson-cast-as-spider-man-villain-might-be-lizard/

From June 30, 2010:

"Josh Hutcherson Cast as Spider-Man, Villain May Be Lizard?
There's a very big rumor going around today that actor Josh Hutcherson has fully landed the role of Peter Parker in Marc Webb's Spider-Man reboot. The news comes from Blue Sky Disney... Apparently the execs "decided that Hutcherson was the right fit for the role and an offer was made and has been accepted"..."

That ran on all the usual sites.

That was exactly one day before July 1, 2010:
http://www.firstshowing.net/2010/sony-officially-announces-new-spider-man-andrew-garfield/

"Sony Officially Announces New Spider-Man - Andrew Garfield"

Yeah.. no. Garfield still emerged from the same shortlist as Hutcherson and Lerman, just like these actors.

Lol, I don't get why some folks are obsessed with Sony picking someone who is under our radar, when that has NEVER EVER happened in the past. (Not saying this applies to you, but I've seen a lot of fans complaining about it, on and off the Hype).

 

[Marvel Spider]

Yeah.. no. Garfield still emerged from the same shortlist as Hutcherson and Lerman, just like these actors.

Lol, I don't get why some folks are obsessed with Sony picking someone who is under our radar, when that has NEVER EVER happened in the past. (Not saying this applies to you, but I've seen a lot of fans complaining about it, on and off the Hype).

What I got from his post was that reported frontrunners may not be frontrunners at all.

 

[harryoscop]

What I got from his post was that reported frontrunners may not be frontrunners at all.

Lol, I wouldn't bet on that one.

Circumstances have changed, this isn't the same as casting 23/28 year-olds as teenagers, Spidey is in the MCU and they were also reported by different sources then they are now.

It's likely that Asa and Tom are indeed the final contenders. (Faraci's track record has been SPOT ON for the last three months, AOU scoop anyone?)

 

[Web-Head]

Lol, I wouldn't bet on that one.

Circumstances have changed, this isn't 2010 and Spidey is in the MCU and they were also reported by different sources then they are now.

It's likely that Asa and Tom are indeed the final contenders.

Yes, it probably is likely. All he was saying is just because there are reports that it's between Tom and Asa doesn't guarantee that one of them will land it.

 

[Marvel Spider]

Lol, I wouldn't bet on that one.

Circumstances have changed, this isn't the same as casting 23/28 year-olds as teenagers, Spidey is in the MCU and they were also reported by different sources then they are now.

It's likely that Asa and Tom are indeed the final contenders. (Faraci's track record has been SPOT ON for the last three months, AOU scoop anyone?)

I believe that Asa and Tom are the last actors standing, but I don't think anyone should think it's a done deal for either actor just yet. Like, no one should assume Asa already has it or anything like that. What's good is we'll probably find out this week.

 

[Jay Beezy]

I believe that Asa and Tom are the last actors standing, but I don't think anyone should think it's a done deal for either actor just yet. Like, no one should assume Asa already has it or anything like that. What's good is we'll probably find out this week.

I'll be happy to be wrong, but I don't think we'll find out diddly this week. And I don't count scoops as diddly. I'm talking about an honest to goodness press release.

 

[Marvel Spider]

I'll be happy to be wrong, but I don't think we'll find out diddly this week. And I don't count scoops as diddly. I'm talking about an honest to goodness press release.

It's definitely good to have tempered expectations.

 

[Talion]

My main point was....the very idea that Nielson could star in a comedy movie was so out side the general audience's mindset at that time, it was consider a sure thing to fail....as in a lot of people on here saying actor X has never done comedy so he can't play the quip making Spider-Man. You do not know what someone can or can not do until they try it.

Sometimes....the appearance of being a "witty quipster" is more in the editing than in what actually happens.

You made excellent points. And I'd argue that both the final two contenders for the Spider-Man role have what it takes to make a truly amazing Spider-Man. Let's hope Marvel and Sony will have it on them to pick the best to help them realize their vision of a Spider-Man set in the MCU.

 

[harryoscop]

I'm sorry, but Tom Holland absolutely screams Peter Parker when he's wearing glasses:

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

I'm sorry, but Tom Holland absolutely screams Peter Parker when he's wearing glasses:

Yes he does.

 

[Talion]

I'm sorry, but Tom Holland absolutely screams Peter Parker when he's wearing glasses:

Right?!

 

[harryoscop]

Right?!

His gymnastics are on point! he really is shaping up to be the ULTIMATE candidate for the role.

Talion, who do you think will get the role? him or Asa?