The not a vs but a war thread.

[comicbookmaster]

this next one is between two of my favorite Spidey villains.

Doctor Octopus

Vs

The Green Goblin

This is a great fight!!!It would make a classic spider-man fight!!!!which the world needs badly!!!!
Doctor Octopus is not a rough and tough fisticuffs type, hes more of the beat down from afar and The Green Goblin is nuts norman will mess with your mind body and soul,any thing you hold dear he will destory!!!EVEN HIMSELF!!! So given that I vote for The Green Goblin,on the fact that he's Nucking Futs!!!!!
The Green Goblin will take all eight arms to the chest,just to put on large a$$ punkin(god bless her!!)bomb in Doc ocs face!!Done!!

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Ock is one of Spider's toughest and hardest to beat villians in a one on one....he takes it

 

[KAD]

The Green Goblin would win.

I believe his current incarnation makes him close to or equally as agile as Spiderman.

He is insane and has no qualms about killing period.

If Pete can beat Ock will trying not to kill him GG would have no problem at all.

 

[Vanguard07]

They're both insane. Neither of them have qualms about killing.
Osborn's more manipulative though. In a regular fight that wouldnt ammount to much but in a war where resources and allies work it could make a big difference.

The thing is they're both so hung up on Spiderman that there's little chance of this war not involving him (remember wars involve and can include the world around you and all the people in it) So it might be difficult for them to bring the other down effectively with Petey trying to stop em both.

 

[Vanguard07]

Well it seems all that's going to be said on this one has been so i'll wrap it up in favor of the next.

hmmmm... well this one's pretty closely argued. I'm gonna give it to GG though cause of the better resources, organizational skills and cause i'm takin a point away from ock for the "sinister six" argument. still quite close though, we could almost call it a draw.

 

[Vanguard07]

Alright. This next one's as per request.

Darth Vader

VS

Dr Doom.

I'm curious to see how it plays out.

 

[ElectroFlare]

Yes finally!

Well Darth Vader has Stormtroopers at his disposal, was well as the force and a lightsaber.

DOOM has his Doombots, magic and tech, and the weapons he's built into his guantlets.

Barring time travel, I can honestly say I think DOOM could win. Not 100% of the time, but he could win. His armor/force field should protect him from Vader's lightsaber and the storm troopers cancel out the DOOMbots. Doom has multiple weapons he can fire from his guantlets, but Vader's only weapon(sans the force) is his lightsaber. The force field should protect him from force throw of objects.

The question is...can the force choke go through DOOM's force field?

Not to mention the fact that DOOM is very intelligent, possibly the smartest man in the Marvel Universe. He would know that Vader is coming and plan accordingly. DOOM would fight on his terms, or not at all.

 

[The Question]

One problem with that arguement:


Doom has the army of one nation at his disposal. One very small nation, but add in the doombots and you have a few thousand. Vader has the army of a GALACTIC EMPIRE at his disposal. That seriously trumps Doom's forces.

 

[ElectroFlare]

^That is true...but DOOM conquers all! (I just wanted to say that. You have a point, but the Storm troopers seem like they could be easily defeated by DOOMbots.

Personal bias anyone?

Edit:I meant of myself, not of anyone else...i just reread it and it seemed to be insulting when i read it.

 

[The Question]

There are porobably a thousand storm troopers to each Doombot. Yes, it looks just a lil' like personal bias here.

 

[Vanguard07]

Well to be fair Storm troopers would be extremely limited in terms of both offense and defense in terms of super humans. and when you compare them to some of Doom's robots like the dreadnaughts or what have you I dont think Storm Troopers could do it. Vader's best bet would be his empirial battle cruisers and such. On the ground I dont think Vader's troops could do a thing against Dooms' but orbital bombardment would sure tip the scales.

 

[The Question]

You forget. The Storm Troopers have high impact resistant body armor. Won't do much against a blaster, but it would probably hold up well against most eartly weapons. And you're forgeting the sheer numbers. The storm troopers make up a GALACTIC IMPERIAL ARMY. There must be billions of them.

 

[Vanguard07]

I highly doubt that they'd be resistant to most earthly weapons. Let's not forget the ewoks were holding their own with pretty much sticks and stones.

 

[ElectroFlare]

Yes, the Ewoks handled the Stormtroopers...i forgot about that...

Question(a actualy question, not addressing the poster directly) Would the force choke go through DOOM's forcefield? I'd imagine it could, having gone through a moniter in the original trilogy, but there's that little gray area...

 

[The Question]

I highly doubt that they'd be resistant to most earthly weapons. Let's not forget the ewoks were holding their own with pretty much sticks and stones.

True. But again. Remember.. Galactic imperial army. You know how many stars and planets there are in a galaxy? Over 100 billion. Even if they only recruited ten guys from each planet, that would be a force that could easily overpower Latveria.

 

[ElectroFlare]

True. But again. Remember.. Galactic imperial army. You know how many stars and planets there are in a galaxy? Over 100 billion. Even if they only recruited ten guys from each planet, that would be a force that could easily overpower Latveria.

But how do you get that force there? With the starships and all other forms of transport.

DOOM would know of this happening. In Infinity Guantlet he knew of half the population's disapearnce. He also knew of the connection of it to Doctor Strange, with merely his instruments in Latveria. The man knows what's going on. Surely his satalites monitor space. Afterall, DOOM would not let anyone else conquer the earth. So DOOM would know of the army amassing itself, and adjust his DOOMbot accordingly. No, he wouldn't be able to suddenly create billions more, thats not what I'm suggesting...but he would be able to have them modified, or create new ones for a second wave that may be able to handle the Stormtroopers blasters...

 

[The Question]

Okay, we all love Doom, but you're giving him way too much credit. Sure, he might be able to tell that the Empire's a-comin'. But what would he do? The sheer number of storm troopers would overwhelm his Doombots. No, if Vader and the Empire showed up, it would be a major Marvel cross over event. Not something Doom could handle on his own.

 

[Vanguard07]

Well both characters know who they're at war with. Not necessarilly the specifics of the character but that they have to beat the other guy. And Vader's in "a galaxy far far away" even with hyperspace travel it'd likely take his forces several weeks at least to reach earth.
Doom having determined his enemy isnt from earth at the very least would have this time to prepare Latveria's defenses and learn about what's coming. Between his magic and his instruments I'm sure he'd be able to learn enough to know that a huge freakin intergalactic army was coming.

And yes we're probably talking about billions of troops but Latveria's a small country. There simply isnt enough room to deploy forces like that on the ground. And Vader's forces would be so outclassed per person that it'd take a long time to break Doom's defenses with sheer numbers. It'd be something akin to the battle of thermopylae. 300 Spartan soldiers holding a pass against a million enemy soldiers. The 300 spartans had such superior skill that they managed to cripple their enemies. Now imagine those 300 spartans were 300 highly advanced super powered robots. and they were up against troopers who not only could be beaten back with sticks and rocks but were also incapable of shooting straight.

Remember how bad Storm trooper accuracy is? cause i'm flashing back to Luke Skywalker standing on an open ledge with a blaster and no cover shooting at at least a dozen troopers less than 20 yards away who somehow couldnt hit him.

Yes Vader'd outnumber Doom a million to one. But Storm troopers are the single most ineffective soldiers in all of fiction.
On the ground Doom's forces could hold them back.
Vader'd only be able to win by orbital bombardment.

 

[3dman27]

vicious vic darrth was just a copy'nuff said

 

[roach]

Yes The force would go through the force field...He force choked someone who was on another ship which has it's own force fields which I imagine are supurior to Doom's......winner Vader

 

[The Question]

Well both characters know who they're at war with. Not necessarilly the specifics of the character but that they have to beat the other guy. And Vader's in "a galaxy far far away" even with hyperspace travel it'd likely take his forces several weeks at least to reach earth.
Doom having determined his enemy isnt from earth at the very least would have this time to prepare Latveria's defenses and learn about what's coming. Between his magic and his instruments I'm sure he'd be able to learn enough to know that a huge freakin intergalactic army was coming.

Never denied that.

And yes we're probably talking about billions of troops but Latveria's a small country. There simply isnt enough room to deploy forces like that on the ground. And Vader's forces would be so outclassed per person that it'd take a long time to break Doom's defenses with sheer numbers. It'd be something akin to the battle of thermopylae. 300 Spartan soldiers holding a pass against a million enemy soldiers. The 300 spartans had such superior skill that they managed to cripple their enemies. Now imagine those 300 spartans were 300 highly advanced super powered robots. and they were up against troopers who not only could be beaten back with sticks and rocks but were also incapable of shooting straight.

Okay, a few points:

1) The battle of Thermopylae was 300 againts 10,000. Not 300 againts 1,000,000. Major difference.

2) You seem to be underestimating the fact of how many storm troopers there are. It doesn't matter if Doom's forces fight off the first wave. Or the seconds wave. Or the tenth waves. Because there are so damn many of them that they're keep on coming.

Remember how bad Storm trooper accuracy is? cause i'm flashing back to Luke Skywalker standing on an open ledge with a blaster and no cover shooting at at least a dozen troopers less than 20 yards away who somehow couldnt hit him.

So you're using one instance of a few storm troopers to assume that all of them have bad aim?

Yes Vader'd outnumber Doom a million to one. But Storm troopers are the single most ineffective soldiers in all of fiction.

No, they're not. Some of them were ineffective. But there are literally billions of them. Statistically speaking, they can't all be inept.

On the ground Doom's forces could hold them back.

No, he wouldn't. There are too damn many of them. They could easily have an world invasion force with only a percentage of their troops. Latveria is a tiny country. Doom would prevail for a little while, but he would eventually be overwhelmed by sheer numbers.

Vader'd only be able to win by orbital bombardment.

Yes, that is also a factor. But seriously, you guys are giving Doom way to much credit.

 

[KAD]

Yes The force would go through the force field...He force choked someone who was on another ship which has it's own force fields which I imagine are supurior to Doom's......winner Vader

You all forget Doom once stripped the surfer of his power cosmic and also re-empowered Terrax the Terrible.

He has access and knowledge of some mind blowing weapons. Cosmic cube anyone.

I think most give Vader too much credit.

In addition Dooms force field has withstood Thor, Hulk to name two guys that could each individually destroy several star cruisers.

 

[Hoban]

Maybe Vader could use the Death Star, and take out the entire planet.

 

[KAD]

Maybe Vader could use the Death Star, and take out the entire planet.

He could try.

Since Vader is using the empires army (Not his own)

Doom would also manipulate Earth's heros into defending him

 

[The Question]

Vader has full comant of the emperial army. Always has. He's the emperor's right hand man.