The Offical thread to Vent if need be.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

So um... yeah, even *I'm* confused about this part.

I think the original poster meant it more as a joke than anything.

I'm not saying it's a view that I share, it was just one I was trying to explain is all.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Count me in with those that are still confused. Clark and Whitney buried the hatchet earlier in the season. By the time of Tempest, Whitney asked Clark to keep an eye out for Lana because he saw Clark as a loyal and trusting friend. He learned through experience that Clark was a good person and wouldn't move in on his girlfriend when he left. Whitney also knew (from his perspective) that Clark was DATING Chloe at that point.

So um... yeah, even *I'm* confused about this part.

I looked at it liked this,

By the time Season 1 was dwindling down Whitney was kinda of a broken man. His dad died, he was losing trust in Lana, that episode where he hung with the FOTW jocks really brought some guilt on him and he needed a new direction in life so he went to war (never let a 9/11 subtext slip away networks this was 2001-2002 after all).
But he had no other choice but to tell Clark to protect her, who else would have turned to, to keep an eye on her? And that point the relationship between Lana and Clark was devloping closley from a friendship standpoint and he had no choice but ti accepted. I'm sure in the back of his mind he knew the lingering possiblity that they would get together but dont forget Clark at the mind was (and still is ) a very genuine by his word farmboy, so he could sorta accepted either way ( Clark would keep an eye out for her and at the end of the day he is a good guy so as long as she's happy it's like fair do's).
Besides who else would have kept an eye on Lana? ( Pete and Chloe werent that close with her at the time and Aunt Nell turned out to be a deadbeat aunt. Seriously where did she go? I kinda slept on Season 2 and never got around to watching it properly. I know Lana was looking for her parents but where did Nell go???)

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I kinda slept on Season 2 and never got around to watching it properly. I know Lana was looking for her parents but where did Nell go???

She started dating some guy in Season 2 and moved to Metropolis. Lana decided to move in with Chloe. Aside from a couple of mentions in Season 5, she hasn't been heard from since, just like the baby, Henry Small, and (with a couple of exceptions) Pete.

 

[blksuperman2]

I'm not following. How'd everyone get on this subject. Everyone's going on a tangent because of some nonsense post.

Season 6 begins tomorrow.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

She started dating some guy in Season 2 and moved to Metropolis. Lana decided to move in with Chloe. Aside from a couple of mentions in Season 5, she hasn't been heard from since, just like the baby, Henry Small, and (with a couple of exceptions) Pete.

So I was right she is a deadbeat aunt.

 

[avidreader]

She started dating some guy in Season 2 and moved to Metropolis. Lana decided to move in with Chloe. Aside from a couple of mentions in Season 5, she hasn't been heard from since, just like the baby, Henry Small, and (with a couple of exceptions) Pete.

The baby. Is that the one that Martha lost? You saw Clark have visions about it in Splinter. There was the cradle and their was a small boy running around that was about 3 or so.

So I dont think Clark has forgotten about it.

 

[arachnid-guy]

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[Kaboom]

Did you hear there's a new pirate movie coming out?


Its rated

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[Super_Ludacris]

I heard about it, did you hear who's the lead actor in it?

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, calm down. Why does it matter what we're talking about? This thread isn't dedicated to any one topic - it's just a venting thread. That means the subject is going to change depending on what pisses people off about Smallville. If you want to continue in a thread of discussion, bring it up again. Calm yourself, son.

The baby. Is that the one that Martha lost? You saw Clark have visions about it in Splinter. There was the cradle and their was a small boy running around that was about 3 or so.

So I dont think Clark has forgotten about it.

I never made any sort of connection that that was supposed to be Jonathan and Martha's miscarried child...I suppose it could be inferred from that evidence, though.

See, Season 5 is a sort of anomoly here. When Nell left, we heard nothing about her until Season 5, when we were told Lana spends Christmas with Nell, and I think at one point after the break-up Lana went to stay with her. Same with Pete - after he left, we didn't hear a thing about it past that episode until Hidden, when Clark made a passing remark about Pete. If the vision in Splinter was indeed about the baby, then that was the first they've actually referenced it since Exodus.

These are a few exceptions - there are exeptions to any rule. But in general, this is another thing that frustrates me about Smallville - the willingness of the writers to drop secondary storylines completely.

Take for example Henry Small - true, Lana asked him to put their relationship on hold until Henry could get his marriage stuff worked out, but it's been like three years without so much as a mention. He doesn't necessarily have to show up, but they could at least reference it once in a while, because finding a long-lost father is kind of a big deal for it to be swept under the rug.

The baby? With the possible exception of the vision in Splinter, it's been completely ignored. We know from Pilot how much Martha wanted a baby. That wish was granted with the arrival of Clark, but when she discovers she's pregnant in Season 2 (Fever, was it?), the whole family is obviously overjoyed. When she loses the baby in Exodus everyone is rightly torn up, but that's the end of it. What do we hear about when Season 3 starts? Clark. That's it. She's apparently completely over the pain of being so close to finally having a biological child and losing it in just three months. That doesn't ring true to me.

Mrs. Teague? A lame story to be sure, but Lana murdered her. Sure, she was under the infulence of Isabelle, but we know from Commencement that it still affected her a great deal. That was a great opportunity for the writers to explore new territory - Lana's guilt over the murder, not to mention the fact that she kept it from Clark (and as far as we know has never told ANYONE but Lex), which makes all of her speeches about honesty in Season 5 moot. But nope, as soon as Arrival was over, it was completely forgotten.

Okay, rant over.

 

[arachnid-guy]

Dude, calm down. Why does it matter what we're talking about? This thread isn't dedicated to any one topic - it's just a venting thread. That means the subject is going to change depending on what pisses people off about Smallville. If you want to continue in a thread of discussion, bring it up again. Calm yourself, son.

I was just venting....

 

[blksuperman2]

Speaking of forgotten characters. What happened to Lucas? Lex's brother

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I was just venting....

Touche. t:

Speaking of forgotten characters. What happened to Lucas? Lex's brother

That too. I really hated that character, but some sort of mention once in a while would be nice...

 

[Migu-EL]

Maybe the reason as to why Martha gets over losing her unborn baby so soon is because she knew that it was given to her through the spaceship and she knew deep down inside that she was never meant to give birth. Also another reason being that she was so worked up and worried about Clark never coming back that she realised how lucky she was to have Clark. And with out him she would have never been given the opportunity to be pregnant, so she had all her attention focused on Clark's departure.

 

[avidreader]

Maybe the reason as to why Martha gets over losing her unborn baby so soon is because she knew that it was given to her through the spaceship and she knew deep down inside that she was never meant to give birth. Also another reason being that she was so worked up and worried about Clark never coming back that she realised how lucky she was to have Clark. And with out him she would have never been given the opportunity to be pregnant, so she had all her attention focused on Clark's departure.

This is a very logical train of thought and I agree with you.

Fortunately I've never had a miscarriage so I dont know personally how someone would react in real life, however I do know of others that have and whilst you never forget, its not really something that you bring up in conversation or discuss with other people at length.

If Martha was a character that had a buddy in Smallville then maybe we would see such a conversation take place, but she's not gonna talk about it with Clark, its probably a pain that both her and Jonathan shared and we didnt need to see them discuss it.

Take for example Henry Small - true, Lana asked him to put their relationship on hold until Henry could get his marriage stuff worked out, but it's been like three years without so much as a mention. He doesn't necessarily have to show up, but they could at least reference it once in a while, because finding a long-lost father is kind of a big deal for it to be swept under the rug.

I agree with this. They just need to give us some passing dialogue that he moved to another state or anything just to put a more definitive closure to the story.

Mrs. Teague? A lame story to be sure, but Lana murdered her. Sure, she was under the infulence of Isabelle, but we know from Commencement that it still affected her a great deal. That was a great opportunity for the writers to explore new territory - Lana's guilt over the murder, not to mention the fact that she kept it from Clark (and as far as we know has never told ANYONE but Lex), which makes all of her speeches about honesty in Season 5 moot. But nope, as soon as Arrival was over, it was completely forgotten.

I can understand why Lana didnt tell Clark about Mrs. Teague, because
Clark said to her in Mortal lets move on and forget about the past.

Owing Lex "one" did come back to haunt her in Reckoning, when Lex said "after everything I've done for you, you owe me".

It should be mentioned and we should see Lana feeling guilty abou itt, but somehow I feel they're leaving that off until Lana and Clark have their "secrets talk".

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Mrs. Teague? A lame story to be sure, but Lana murdered her. Sure, she was under the infulence of Isabelle, but we know from Commencement that it still affected her a great deal. That was a great opportunity for the writers to explore new territory - Lana's guilt over the murder, not to mention the fact that she kept it from Clark (and as far as we know has never told ANYONE but Lex), which makes all of her speeches about honesty in Season 5 moot. But nope, as soon as Arrival was over, it was completely forgotten.

You should mention that on the DeKnight blog. Maybe he will see it and will bring that idea to discussion in the writer's room. The Henry Small thing too.

 

[Serene]

Dude, calm down. Why does it matter what we're talking about? This thread isn't dedicated to any one topic - it's just a venting thread.

Yep.

I never made any sort of connection that that was supposed to be Jonathan and Martha's miscarried child...I suppose it could be inferred from that evidence, though.

I thought it was great that they added that reminder of the lost baby into Clark's psychotic nightmare. It was a nice a bit of continuity to show that Clark still carries that guilt in him for what happened.

See, Season 5 is a sort of anomoly here. When Nell left, we heard nothing about her until Season 5, when we were told Lana spends Christmas with Nell, and I think at one point after the break-up Lana went to stay with her. Same with Pete - after he left, we didn't hear a thing about it past that episode until Hidden, when Clark made a passing remark about Pete. If the vision in Splinter was indeed about the baby, then that was the first they've actually referenced it since Exodus.

These are a few exceptions - there are exeptions to any rule. But in general, this is another thing that frustrates me about Smallville - the willingness of the writers to drop secondary storylines completely.

Take for example Henry Small - true, Lana asked him to put their relationship on hold until Henry could get his marriage stuff worked out, but it's been like three years without so much as a mention. He doesn't necessarily have to show up, but they could at least reference it once in a while, because finding a long-lost father is kind of a big deal for it to be swept under the rug.

I can understand what you are saying.. but personally, I am very willing to fill-in-the-blanks myself on what I consider minor story sidelines - like Henry Small, and even Nell. Nell moved away with the new husband. I assume that Lana kept in touch with her, we just don't need to see every phone call or family holiday that Lana experiences. Same with Henry Small. Maybe they exchange occasional emails, and leave it at that. Whatever. For me, those characters were seen as much as they needed to be. They aren't relevant enough to warrant more screen time.

The baby? With the possible exception of the vision in Splinter, it's been completely ignored. We know from Pilot how much Martha wanted a baby. That wish was granted with the arrival of Clark, but when she discovers she's pregnant in Season 2 (Fever, was it?), the whole family is obviously overjoyed. When she loses the baby in Exodus everyone is rightly torn up, but that's the end of it. What do we hear about when Season 3 starts? Clark. That's it. She's apparently completely over the pain of being so close to finally having a biological child and losing it in just three months. That doesn't ring true to me.

I have absolutely no problem seeing and understanding Martha's reaction to losing the baby. Again, I think grief like that is mostly done in private, and it can be easily assumed that she did go through a lot of personal grief (Jonathan too). But Martha is a very strong woman, and truly, at her age and situation, that baby was really out of the blue. I think she was devastated to lose it, but at the same time, I don't think she had still been pining for another child all those years after having found Clark. I actually have a LOT of experience with women who've been through miscarriages, and I wouldn't have expected to see her still visibly mourning after 3 months - she'll always have the pain, but she has moved on.

Mrs. Teague? A lame story to be sure, but Lana murdered her. Sure, she was under the infulence of Isabelle, but we know from Commencement that it still affected her a great deal. That was a great opportunity for the writers to explore new territory - Lana's guilt over the murder, not to mention the fact that she kept it from Clark (and as far as we know has never told ANYONE but Lex), which makes all of her speeches about honesty in Season 5 moot. But nope, as soon as Arrival was over, it was completely forgotten.

Well, for one.. she didn't technically "murder" her. It was clearly self-defense.. sorta. Genevieve was there to murder Lana, she didn't count on Isobel taking over and turning the table on her. If Isobel hadn't taken over, Lana would be dead. So, I guess you could say it was Isobel murdering Genevieve, but it also saved Lana's life. I was always annoyed that Lana didn't turn herself in and take her chances on a self-defense plea. I mean, she was attacked and strangled FIRST. But she was too freaked to think clearly and followed Lex's advice instead.
And as avid pointed out, Lana did try to tell Clark about it, in Mortal, but they mutually decided to not discuss anything that had happened in the past. I guess I can understand why, they were finally happy and past all that, but I do wish she would have told him eventually anyway. Maybe one day she will.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I thought it was great that they added that reminder of the lost baby into Clark's psychotic nightmare. It was a nice a bit of continuity to show that Clark still carries that guilt in him for what happened.

If that is the case, so do I. That's all I really ask of the writers - not necessarily constant references, but the occasional nod will usually do.

I can understand what you are saying.. but personally, I am very willing to fill-in-the-blanks myself on what I consider minor story sidelines - like Henry Small, and even Nell. Nell moved away with the new husband. I assume that Lana kept in touch with her, we just don't need to see every phone call or family holiday that Lana experiences. Same with Henry Small. Maybe they exchange occasional emails, and leave it at that. Whatever. For me, those characters were seen as much as they needed to be. They aren't relevant enough to warrant more screen time.

Right, and I agree. I've lost no sleep over the fact that I haven't seen these two minor characters on-screen for the past three years. However, before...I think Lexmas? Before that episode we heard nothing about Nell, period. IMO, there should be more of a reference. Just a passing remark is fine.

Same with Henry Small. We don't need to see them interacting anymore, but maybe some grief on Lana's part that she gave up the opportunity to connect with a biological parent, or maybe a remark that they'd reconnected either in person or via e-mail, or like avid said, maybe that he moved to another state. Little things like that show a respect and an acknowledgement of what's come before, and that's all I ask.

I have absolutely no problem seeing and understanding Martha's reaction to losing the baby. Again, I think grief like that is mostly done in private, and it can be easily assumed that she did go through a lot of personal grief (Jonathan too). But Martha is a very strong woman, and truly, at her age and situation, that baby was really out of the blue. I think she was devastated to lose it, but at the same time, I don't think she had still been pining for another child all those years after having found Clark. I actually have a LOT of experience with women who've been through miscarriages, and I wouldn't have expected to see her still visibly mourning after 3 months - she'll always have the pain, but she has moved on.

I definitely agree with what you're saying here. I dunno, though, stuff like that makes for great television if done correctly, and really adds depth to a character, and I would've liked to see that with Martha. It's just a shame, I guess, that they skipped three months between episodes.

Well, for one.. she didn't technically "murder" her. It was clearly self-defense.. sorta. Genevieve was there to murder Lana, she didn't count on Isobel taking over and turning the table on her. If Isobel hadn't taken over, Lana would be dead. So, I guess you could say it was Isobel murdering Genevieve, but it also saved Lana's life. I was always annoyed that Lana didn't turn herself in and take her chances on a self-defense plea. I mean, she was attacked and strangled FIRST. But she was too freaked to think clearly and followed Lex's advice instead.
And as avid pointed out, Lana did try to tell Clark about it, in Mortal, but they mutually decided to not discuss anything that had happened in the past. I guess I can understand why, they were finally happy and past all that, but I do wish she would have told him eventually anyway. Maybe one day she will.

This is all true. It was self-defense, and it was technically Isabelle. However, we DID see that it had an effect on her in Commencement. In a way she undoubtedly feels responsible, and even if she doesn't, killing another human being is something that has an effect on someone, whether in self-defence or not, especially considering stabbing someone is a really visceral and physical way to kill someone.

Even if she put on a happy face for Clark, I think it would have been an interesting dynamic between Lana and Lex - Lex (who has killed people in the past) helping Lana deal with it, perhaps. I think that also would have given their eventual get-together more credibility as well.

Also, knowing that Lana was keeping such a huge secret from Clark reeeeeally got to me whenever she'd get on him about not being honest.

 

[RakuMon]

Well, for one.. she didn't technically "murder" her. It was clearly self-defense.. sorta. Genevieve was there to murder Lana, she didn't count on Isobel taking over and turning the table on her. If Isobel hadn't taken over, Lana would be dead. So, I guess you could say it was Isobel murdering Genevieve, but it also saved Lana's life. I was always annoyed that Lana didn't turn herself in and take her chances on a self-defense plea. I mean, she was attacked and strangled FIRST. But she was too freaked to think clearly and followed Lex's advice instead.
And as avid pointed out, Lana did try to tell Clark about it, in Mortal, but they mutually decided to not discuss anything that had happened in the past. I guess I can understand why, they were finally happy and past all that, but I do wish she would have told him eventually anyway. Maybe one day she will.

Well, if there's one thing about Lana, she can easily shrug off killing people. I think she's got more victims than anybody else on the show. In addition to Mrs. Teague, there was one of Edge's goons she impaled on a rake in "Phoenix," Buffy the vampire that she eviscerated with heat vision in "Thirst," the med student she slices open with a bonesaw in "Void."

Wow! Lana is one cold blooded killer!

 

[Serene]

Wow! Lana is one cold blooded killer!

Hee! That's my girl.

And all those bastards totally deserved it anyway.

 

[Serene]

However, before...I think Lexmas? Before that episode we heard nothing about Nell, period. IMO, there should be more of a reference. Just a passing remark is fine.

I thought it would have been nice to see her at Jonathan's funeral.

She used to be sweet on him after all. It would have been nice to see her there, and really mourning him, but expressing genuine sympathy to Martha, the woman who'd made him happy all these years.

 

[blksuperman2]

I thought it would have been nice to see her at Jonathan's funeral.

She used to be sweet on him after all. It would have been nice to see her there, and really mourning him, but expressing genuine sympathy to Martha, the woman who'd made him happy all these years.

I didn't know Nell was sweet on Pa Kent.

Lana and Clark could've been kissing cousins.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I thought it would have been nice to see her at Jonathan's funeral.

She used to be sweet on him after all. It would have been nice to see her there, and really mourning him, but expressing genuine sympathy to Martha, the woman who'd made him happy all these years.

Yeah, that would've been nice.

I always thought it would be cool for her to show up every now and again, like maybe a quick scene once in a great while (which works much easier now that Lana lives in Metropolis).

 

[avidreader]

Well, if there's one thing about Lana, she can easily shrug off killing people. I think she's got more victims than anybody else on the show. In addition to Mrs. Teague, there was one of Edge's goons she impaled on a rake in "Phoenix," Buffy the vampire that she eviscerated with heat vision in "Thirst," the med student she slices open with a bonesaw in "Void."

Wow! Lana is one cold blooded killer!

I thought it was quite funny in the commentary for Thirst that they made fun of the fact that Lana's killed more people on this show than anyone.t:

And Serene's right, they totally deserved it.

 

[RakuMon]

I thought it would have been nice to see her at Jonathan's funeral.

She used to be sweet on him after all. It would have been nice to see her there, and really mourning him, but expressing genuine sympathy to Martha, the woman who'd made him happy all these years.

You know who I wish was at Jonathan's funeral? Pete Ross and his parents!