The Official Avengers Thread (Heroic Age Bendis/JRJR)

[uchiha_itachi]

Yeah unfortunately he's not the REAL En Sabah Nur.

do explain??

 

[bored]

It's him from another timeline.

 

[IBRAH08]

Yeah, but Avengers has tried what Justice League is doing now and its sales have tanked pretty hard. Austen's run, which at least had Captain America, Iron Man, and some of the other big-name Avengers, couldn't sell too well. Whatever magical sales-grabbing effect JLA has, Avengers doesn't seem to have it.

hmmmmm well that is interesting. I dunno. I just can't imagine that the draw is Bendis

 

[kguillou]

Its definitely both. Bendis' name sells. Even if bendis decided tommorow to get rid of wolverine and spiderman from the avengers, the book would still sell well. Spiderman and wolverine dont always guarantee sales these days. Books like Agents of Atlas and Hercules tried ****ing spidey and wolverine out and it didnt work out it their favor. It was a gimmick that only worked once apparently.

 

[RockSP]

Its definitely both. Bendis' name sells.

Sometimes. Spider-Woman didn't sell. And lots of people still don't know Powers exists (the fact that it comes out once a century doesn't help, I'm sure).

 

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, but Avengers has tried what Justice League is doing now and its sales have tanked pretty hard. Austen's run, which at least had Captain America, Iron Man, and some of the other big-name Avengers, couldn't sell too well. Whatever magical sales-grabbing effect JLA has, Avengers doesn't seem to have it.

But you also have to take into account that Captain America and Iron Man weren't as big as they are now and asides from that, the only big name Avengers during Austen's run were Captain America and Iron Man.

Sure it had some "big name" Avengers like Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, She-Hulk, Wasp, and whatnot, but the reality is that they are not big names. At all. Seriously, I guarantee that an Avengers roster that consisted of nothing but characters that don't even have their own books would flop.

Now the current Avengers team that has Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Spider-Man, and Wolverine. Now that is a big name roster. All it is really missing in terms of the big names are the Hulk and Daredevil. I think that as long as you get a competent writer to replace Bendis, I think a roster with Marvel's biggest names are would still sell well.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I'd kill to see Spider-Man on a REAL Avengers team. Hell, it'd even be cool to see Wolvie on one of those too.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Sometimes. Spider-Woman didn't sell. And lots of people still don't know Powers exists (the fact that it comes out once a century doesn't help, I'm sure).

Frankly, I've developed the opinion that Spider-Woman is like the Sentry. Bendis is pushing her despite the fact that no one really cares for the character.

The only difference is that at least he isn't ruining Spider-Woman's character like he did with the Sentry, so no real crime is being committed here like what happened with the Sentry.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I'd kill to see Spider-Man on a REAL Avengers team. Hell, it'd even be cool to see Wolvie on one of those too.

You'd call a team that has Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, and Hawkeye not a real Avengers team? Hell, all that really needs to be done is switch Spider-Woman with Ms. Marvel, and replace Wolverine with Hank Pym. Add in the Hulk depending on how his personality is.

EDIT: And NO! No Wolverine on any Avengers team. His mere presence sullies and disgraces the team.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I meant one with good writing.

 

[bored]

Bendis himself isn't a draw. He's just learned how to pander. "JLA" can sell better with more obscure characters because DC has always been better at marketing the brand than Marvel has with "Avengers" titles.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Marvel's marketing the brand pretty well right now. "Avengers" is a pretty big name in comics lately.

 

[kguillou]

I think so too. Marvel's done an excellent job in fact in raising the profiles of Ironman, Thor and Cap in the last 5 years. So much in fact that i think those three could hold their own, sales wise, if spiderman and wolverine left the team. What do those two actually contribute to the team anyway?

 

[NightBeetle]

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[TheCorpulent1]

Looks good. I don't know why Thor is suddenly drawing the Enchantress' aggro so hard, but they're never on great terms anyway. I hope this is another Siege-esque series where Bendis can manage to keep it good throughout.

 

[bored]

I think Marvel's marketing the brand pretty well right now. "Avengers" is a pretty big name in comics lately.

Emphasis on the word "lately". I'm talking about over the last few decades, where DC has put the JLA in many forms of media, including two animated continuities that spanned at least two decades each (even if one was so campy it should have had a kayaking trip), an emphasis on that team's central role to its universe, and even an attempt at a live-action tv show (albeit one that gloriously failed, but the point is that they were at the point that they could attempt it).

Marvel was, for the most part, unwilling to expand the Avengers brand outside of the comics themselves for so long, not giving us anything more than a decent beat-em up arcade game, an awful fighter, and an even worse cartoon that lasted half a season. It's only been lately that they've looked at the Avengers, in their most iconic forms (ie: before the Bendis era), and seen something truly marketable, hence the new show, and the film franchise. And that's all well and good, but in terms of comic sales, not as many people have seen the brand of Avengers as anything nearly as significant for so long.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Bendis himself isn't a draw. He's just learned how to pander. "JLA" can sell better with more obscure characters because DC has always been better at marketing the brand than Marvel has with "Avengers" titles.

I have to completely disagree with that. Without the Big Seven the Justice League doesn't exactly set the charts on fire. And frankly, almost every time, the Justice League is completely uninteresting without the Big Seven.

It's why I like the Avengers better, more obscure characters thrive as Avengers as opposed to wishing that they would go away in the Justice League.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, the JLA has one of its worst rosters ever right now and it's still in the top 20. That's impressive, given that books that are hundreds of times better can't crack the top 20 to save their life--literally, in many cases.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't know, the JLA has one of its worst rosters ever right now and it's still in the top 20. That's impressive, given that books that are hundreds of times better can't crack the top 20 to save their life--literally, in many cases.

On the bright side, at least the roster isn't as bad as the Detroit roster and Red Tornado is finally indestructible

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Red Tornado should be destroyed and forgotten about, as far as I'm concerned. Can't stand that guy.

 

[IBRAH08]

I don't know, the JLA has one of its worst rosters ever right now and it's still in the top 20. That's impressive, given that books that are hundreds of times better can't crack the top 20 to save their life--literally, in many cases.

Don't forget that it's just boring in general

 

[hippie_hunter]

Red Tornado should be destroyed and forgotten about, as far as I'm concerned. Can't stand that guy.

I think he could be interesting if he wasn't getting blown apart every 5 minutes.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Brad Meltzer tried his damnedest for an entire year, but as far as I can tell, nobody gives a crap about Red Tornado now anymore than they did before Meltzer's run. Just tuck him away with the other relics who need that "one great story" to be relevant again and move on already.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Brad Meltzer tried his damnedest for an entire year, but as far as I can tell, nobody gives a crap about Red Tornado now anymore than they did before Meltzer's run. Just tuck him away with the other relics who need that "one great story" to be relevant again and move on already.

I thought that Meltzer's take on Red Tornado started off pretty good by turning him human. But then he had to restore him as a robot.

I think that Red Tornado could have that one great story if writers didn't turn him into such a joke and give him actual characterization (like how Meltzer started off with).

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Meh. If the JLA is so desperate for androids, bring back the Hourman android and actually use the Tomorrow Woman, who already came back in Trinity but has been totally neglected since.