The Official Captain America Thread

[Anubis]

Well, seeing as Caps book has been so good as of late, I figured it would be a good idea to have one definative thread about all things Cap.

So, first things first, The Winter Soldier. Is it Bucky? Or is it Nomad doing the whole Tyler Durdin thing? I think it's Nomad. I mean, when was it that the guy that would become Nomad first appeared? Comic wise I mean. five or six years maybe? I belive thats what was said in the latest issue. You see, I was wondering, did the first apperance of Nomad take place before the conversation between the Red Skull and the Russian General in the first issue? Because if it did, then that would mean that it was him in that tube.

Just a Theory.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Isn't

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Nomad dead now?

 

[BlackKnight1]

Isn't

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Nomad dead now?

Nobody is completely sure that the body was actually Jack Monroe. So it is sort of up in the air.

 

[DBM]

Nobody is completely sure that the body was actually Jack Monroe. So it is sort of up in the air.

Plus the most recent issue of Cap was basically all told in flashbacks.

 

[Marcdachamp]

My theory is thus: It's either one. See, Brubaker has concocted a story where it can go EITHER way. The reveal in #6 may just have been to test the waters. If fans flipped out over the Winter Soldier being Bucky to the point where they began dropping the book, he could easily say it was Nomad all along. He's a crafty one this Ed Brubaker.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It'd be great if it turned out to be Nomad. He's much better as a villain, in my opinion, as his time as Scourge shows. Plus, he gets better costumes as villains. A "shirt" that bears almost his entire midsection? Yeesh.

 

[rigel7soldiers]

I sort of figured Nomad since he... get this... is a dead ringer for James Buchanan Barnes.

 

[Zaptoitnow]

I didn't so much think it was up for questioning that

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the body was Jack Monroe. We watched him be shot, Sharon saw his body, and altough he was insane, through his eyes, we experienced his death. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like Monroe is definately dead, and not the winter soldier.

 

[Nick Eastwood]

I really really really need to pick up Cap.

But first, I need a job.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't so much think it was up for questioning that

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the body was Jack Monroe. We watched him be shot, Sharon saw his body, and altough he was insane, through his eyes, we experienced his death. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like Monroe is definately dead, and not the winter soldier.

He also mysteriously lost 3 months of his life and hallucinated constantly. We experienced the death of a guy who believed he was Jack. Doesn't mean it was him.

 

[Muze]

My theory is thus: It's either one. See, Brubaker has concocted a story where it can go EITHER way. The reveal in #6 may just have been to test the waters. If fans flipped out over the Winter Soldier being Bucky to the point where they began dropping the book, he could easily say it was Nomad all along. He's a crafty one this Ed Brubaker.

doesn't really jive with Quesada's dead-is-dead policy though.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Quesada's dead-is-dead policy breaks down like this: It's utter bull****. He's said before that if someone has a good story to bring someone back, he'll roll over and let them. We've been seeing what Quesada considers good stories at Marvel for years now, so I doubt it's that hard to get an ok on a resurrection.

 

[Zaptoitnow]

The story is called "The Lonesome Death of Jack Monroe". Sharon said it was Jack. We saw, even when we were just seeing the events back in issue 3 or 4, that it was Jack. While I think that 3 months is definately important, I really don't understand how Jack Monroe could be the Winter Soldier. Even when they showed what really had happened in the hallucentations, he was wearing the Nomad suit.

 

[Anubis]

You know, I could be wrong. I just looked at the first issue and then the latest issue and I can see that the timeline doesn't fit. The Red Skull/Russian conversation took place about 5 years ago. Nomad and the Crazy Cap guy, were thawed out Eight Years ago. So, he couldn't have been locked away in storage by the Russians. But Bucky could have. Or, hell, whatever happened to the other guy? The guy that was Cap to Nomad's Bucky?

 

[3dman27]

Isn't

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Nomad dead now?

as i understand it yes

 

[DarkKnightJRK]

I'm not sure about Bucky coming back, but hey, Brubacker's writing, so I don't think it would be extremely bad.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The story is called "The Lonesome Death of Jack Monroe". Sharon said it was Jack. We saw, even when we were just seeing the events back in issue 3 or 4, that it was Jack. While I think that 3 months is definately important, I really don't understand how Jack Monroe could be the Winter Soldier. Even when they showed what really had happened in the hallucentations, he was wearing the Nomad suit.

Yeah, tell me how any of that proves that Jack's actually dead in the Marvel universe. There was a story just a couple arcs before this one where a Life Model Decoy gained sentience and actually believed itself to be Diamondback. So was Jack's mental illness actually his brain futzing out on him, or was it a malfunction in the LMD's programming? LMDs do look identical to the people they mimic, and the Diamondback one was enough to fool Cap, who's known her intimately. Sharon's never even actually met Bucky. There are about a hundred different ways that all of those things could be explained away and the Winter Soldier could still be Jack.

 

[Anubis]

All I'm sayin is, why would they have gone through all that trouble of showing Jack's mind going nuts just to kill him. The scene were we see Bucky coming out of Jack has to have some meaning. WHy go to all the trouble just to tell a story of how the guy got wacked? I don't think it's as simple as people think it is. I think its a very good chance that he could be the Winter SOldier. And we'll find out whenever we get a look at that File Fury has.

 

[RockSP]

Or, hell, whatever happened to the other guy? The guy that was Cap to Nomad's Bucky?

He died...I think in the same incident that "killed" Sharon back in the day. Seeing as how she was never really dead, he could of course still be out there.

 

[Anubis]

Now we have an missing corpse of a Cap wanna be to add to the mix.

 

[Zaptoitnow]

I still think that its made pretty clear that Jack Monroe died, and was possibly kiled by the winter soldier. I guess we'll have to wait to see if the person Sharon saw dead next to her really was Jack though.

 

[Marcdachamp]

Yeah, tell me how any of that proves that Jack's actually dead in the Marvel universe. There was a story just a couple arcs before this one where a Life Model Decoy gained sentience and actually believed itself to be Diamondback. So was Jack's mental illness actually his brain futzing out on him, or was it a malfunction in the LMD's programming? LMDs do look identical to the people they mimic, and the Diamondback one was enough to fool Cap, who's known her intimately. Sharon's never even actually met Bucky. There are about a hundred different ways that all of those things could be explained away and the Winter Soldier could still be Jack.

Y'know what creeped me out about that? I was under the impression that Cap and DBack had sex in that arc...

 

[Sabretooth]

Y'know what creeped me out about that? I was under the impression that Cap and DBack had sex in that arc...

Wait,they didn't? i thought they had it too

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I doubt it. Cap apparently moves very slowly, as his age would imply.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, but what if he already hit it? Didn't he and the real Diamondback already do the do?