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The Official Captain America Thread

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If you genuinely have a problem with the idea of Bucky and thought the turnover has been handled bad, that's one thing. I haven't read it, but if you didn't like it, you didn't like it. You want Cap bad to end what you think are bad stories. Can't do anything there. But most people I've heard like it and that's what I was going under the assumption of. That it IS good and the only reason Steve Rogers gets brought back is not only does it return the status quo, but the only thing that will sell better than "The Death of Captain America" is the "The Return of Captain America." Genuinely disliking the current story, however, is separate.
 
Bucky also isn't the only man other than Steve Rogers to wear the Flag. Isaiah Bradley, The Spirit of '76, The Patriot, Roscoe and John Walker have all been Captain America before. Of any of these men (With the exception of Bradley who predated Cap), Bucky has the most right to be Cap imo.

True.

Indeed. And y'know what? You are SO right about new readers. SO right. I'm one of them. I'm a big fan of the "mythologies" of Marvel and DC and have been, like, all my life. But could I ever get into the main titles of either? It's doubtful. I mean, I still love comics, stuff like Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, all those sorts; the ones that aren't ongoing, main universe stuff. But keep up with the current adventures of Batman, Superman, Spider-Man and whatever "OMG MYTHOLOGY WILL CHANGE AND WE WILL EMPHASIZE THE WORD EPIC! ...DID WE MENTION EPIC?!" event of the year? No. It (at least, in its current form) is too stagnant.

Take New X-Men for example. About two (or a little less) years ago, I considered doing just that. I was aware of classic comic history, but didn't know too much about modern stuff. Not sure what to pick up, I randomly selected the first volume of Grant Morrison's New X-Men. I loved it and collected the rest of his stuff, followed by some of Whedon's (since I loved Whedon through his other work) and enjoyed the Morrison references in that. But then I checked out what the rest of the universe did... They raped everything Morrison did to restore some status quo that no one cared about. I certainly didn't. I am that fan that Marvel stopped becoming a regular X-book-buyer in order to... what? Do another Magneto story? Remove 90% of mutants so they can go back into space?

(BTW a bit off topic but can I just say how much the Xorn retcon sucks? I know, I know, EVERYONE *****es about it, but I haven't heard this reason used that much. Did Marvel even realize Morrison ALREADY LEFT THEM with a possible "Magneto isn't a cremator" retcon if they wanted it? Magneto was on the drug, Kick, when he did those actions. It controlled him. Kick was revealed to be the sentinent being, Sublime. Therefore, SUBLIME was behind Planet X, not Magneto. WTF was the point of the "two Xorn" stuff?! It's like to go from Indiana to Illinois by taking a plane to Florida, a bus to Alabama, another plane to California and then horseback to Illinois instead of just driving/flying from Indiana to Illinois).

But I digress. But the comics industry just makes me sad. It has the potential to be, IMO, the most rewarding medium and standalone comics show that, many a time. It has the visual, dynamic punch of television and motion pictures, while revealing the inside character thoughts of prose. It's unconstrained by budget, only imagination. It's perfect for BOTH one-man personal tales and extremely large collaborations. But it's stuck in this mind-set that the way to please the audiences is by having up-and-coming-hip author A make, "THE DEATH OF (let's say...?) SHARON CARTER" which is shocking and universe-changing and then two years later, up-and-coming-hipper author B do "THE RESURRECTION OF SHARON CARTER."

(And on an in universe perspective, it's hard for me to relate to the characters. Let's say if an X-Man dies now, we're left with only two reactions. One, they feel genuine grief, which makes the fan laugh at how many times they've had fellow X-Men die only to return. Or two, they don't react and ARE just like, "Eh, everyone's died at least once." And that's unreadable and unrelatable. So everytime they do it now, it makes the next guy's story ALREADY ridiculous.)

But you want to know the sad part? The fans buy 'em up. They buy every universe title and event book. Every Crisis, every War. But I don't. I refuse to put my money on something that chaotic where I have no idea if the book I'm picking up will even MATTER in a month. No matter how much I read it, the cynical in me knows deep down that all it takes is one more writer to decide, "Well, that doesn't fit in with MY idea of what happens. So in actuality, THIS is what happened..." Or worse, "Well, that doesn't fit in with what happened in the 1960s. So in actuality, THIS is what happened..." I can read various in-universe things on their own, in TPBs or graphic novels. Standalones. But trying to follow an entire universe that's as discombulated as that would drive me crazy. Good ideas, bad ideas, non-ideas, it's nothing but a series of retcons now and I don't have the time or patience to try to figure out, "Wait... so what ACTUALLY happened in that arc back in 2004?" FOR EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER AND FRANCHISE.

So if Marvel keeps Bucky Captain America for years to come, hey. Good on them. I'll be very surprised, plesantly so. In fact, given all the rave reviews it has, I'll probably read Brubaker's Captain America some time, viewing them as 100% standalones in their own bubble universe of course. But I don't expect Marvel to do that. Because what this boils down to is: fans who might be picking up Cap for the first time and becoming entranced with Bucky, him becoming "their Cap" (which is probably me) aren't as important as fans who want things as they were. But this is spelling disaster for the future. What happens when all the old fans die and the fans of the next generation were driven away by the most wildly inconsistent universes in all of fiction...? But for now, a toast to Bucky as Cap in hopes that years from now, it will be that way. Cheers.

(Wow. I made a post long enough for even the Mighty Dread of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe to be proud of. Hopefully.)

Yes, I am proud of that post. :up:
 
OMG can you just imagine how big the buzz and excitement will be when they release the comic:

CAPTAIN AMERICA:

THE RETURN OF STEVE ROGERS

Now tell me that doesn't just get you soooooo excited!
 
OMG can you just imagine how big the buzz and excitement will be when they release the comic:

CAPTAIN AMERICA:

THE RETURN OF STEVE ROGERS

Now tell me that doesn't just get you soooooo excited!

That would get me excited, but also a little sad because it'd most likely mean Bucky America (which, thus far I've enjoyed) would be gone. Such a mixed bag.
 
Maybe they can split the territory?

Captain Union and Captain Confederation? :p
 
Not a bad idea really, not really the Union/Confederate thing, but some kind of split in between the two Caps.

Even if they did do that I still think it's doubtful that both would be around for a long time until one got phasedout/changed/killed off
 
Well how else would we split the US for two Caps?

Captain Coke and Captain Pepsi?

Captain Clinton and Captain Obama?

Captain Cook and Captain Archuleta?








all of this, of course, is a joke. ;)
 
Well how else would we split the US for two Caps?

Captain Coke and Captain Pepsi?

Captain Clinton and Captain Obama?

Captain Cook and Captain Archuleta?








all of this, of course, is a joke. ;)

Nowadays, Captain Pro and Anti Imperialism
 
??

I don't even get it?


Criticism of American Imperialism has been kind of high as of late with Afgan and Iraq and all that. I guess I should've said Pro and Anti American Imperialism.

Just a joke of course
 
OMG can you just imagine how big the buzz and excitement will be when they release the comic:

CAPTAIN AMERICA:

THE RETURN OF STEVE ROGERS

Now tell me that doesn't just get you soooooo excited!

It depends. I know it is historically inevitable, but I really do want to see New Cap last long enough that we begin to think of him as Cap in some way.

I mean, think of all the lousy status quo's we've had to swallow for longer than 2 years. "Bone-Claw Wolverine" lasted 6 whole years (and included "Noseless, Pirate Mask Wolverine" for 'bout a year). "Bendis Avengers that don't act like Avengers" has lasted 4 years and counting. The Totem stuff in ASM dragged on beyond 2 years.

Now they finally have some GOOD change that is selling well and getting critical acclaim happen and it can't last even 3-4 years? That would irk me a bit.

Yes, I know Steve's return is inevitable. If not under Brubaker or even Joe Q, then the next writer or next EIC tenure. And you bet it would rake in sales. But it would have to be worth it, and ideally, handled in a fashion where Bucky and all his development (and fans) aren't cheated.

Even with Brubaker, Steve's comics had hovered around the 40-50k marker for years. New Cap has lasted over 70k for months now, and it is fairly seperated from what the rest of the line is doing (after CIVIL WAR, it's remained in it's own territory). Could anyone imagine a year or two ago that it would be routinely outselling a Millar/Hitch comic that actually isn't running late? Well, it is, and has.

So whatever editors and writers ultimately plan "the return" should really think about doing it in a way that the 10-20k extra fans the book has gotten don't bail. Comics, unfortunately, have a habit of trading long-term, stable sales for huge short term boosts often (like trading a well rounded but imperfect athlete for a steroid monster that has spurts and lulls). On the other hand, while we all joke about Joe Q being an "idiot savant" at best, he's outlasting Dan DiDio soundly.


No prob.
 
It depends. I know it is historically inevitable, but I really do want to see New Cap last long enough that we begin to think of him as Cap in some way.

I mean, think of all the lousy status quo's we've had to swallow for longer than 2 years. "Bone-Claw Wolverine" lasted 6 whole years (and included "Noseless, Pirate Mask Wolverine" for 'bout a year). "Bendis Avengers that don't act like Avengers" has lasted 4 years and counting. The Totem stuff in ASM dragged on beyond 2 years.

Now they finally have some GOOD change that is selling well and getting critical acclaim happen and it can't last even 3-4 years? That would irk me a bit.

Yes, I know Steve's return is inevitable. If not under Brubaker or even Joe Q, then the next writer or next EIC tenure. And you bet it would rake in sales. But it would have to be worth it, and ideally, handled in a fashion where Bucky and all his development (and fans) aren't cheated.

Even with Brubaker, Steve's comics had hovered around the 40-50k marker for years. New Cap has lasted over 70k for months now, and it is fairly seperated from what the rest of the line is doing (after CIVIL WAR, it's remained in it's own territory). Could anyone imagine a year or two ago that it would be routinely outselling a Millar/Hitch comic that actually isn't running late? Well, it is, and has.

So whatever editors and writers ultimately plan "the return" should really think about doing it in a way that the 10-20k extra fans the book has gotten don't bail. Comics, unfortunately, have a habit of trading long-term, stable sales for huge short term boosts often (like trading a well rounded but imperfect athlete for a steroid monster that has spurts and lulls). On the other hand, while we all joke about Joe Q being an "idiot savant" at best, he's outlasting Dan DiDio soundly.



No prob.


I really believe people who want Steve back pronto don't actually read the book.

The current arc is among the best Captain America arcs ever. To hell with status quo. If Steve Rogers comes back before MJ and Peter get back together in ASM, I will drop marvel all together.
 
I really believe people who want Steve back pronto don't actually read the book.

The current arc is among the best Captain America arcs ever. To hell with status quo. If Steve Rogers comes back before MJ and Peter get back together in ASM, I will drop marvel all together.

I wouldn't go that far. I also wouldn't presume that ALL readers of the current run don't want Steve to return. I have read a few reviews online that did.

I do want New Cap to last a while, though. It is loaded with potential and actually has been handled well.
 
I wouldn't go that far. I also wouldn't presume that ALL readers of the current run don't want Steve to return. I have read a few reviews online that did.

I do want New Cap to last a while, though. It is loaded with potential and actually has been handled well.

I will say this; I'm ready for the current arc to end. This has been basically one on going 3 year arc. I'm ready for Bucky's first assignment as Cap. This was just him finishing up Steve's assignment; taking down Skull/ Lukin. The next arc is going to be really cool I think.

I'm also excited to see what Secret War brings to the character; obviously judging by some of the covers, Cap is reintegrated into the superhero community, and dare I say, the Avengers.

For the record though, Brubaker's Captain America is to me, what Miller's Daredevil is to some; it's like my comic bible.
 
Preview of #41

I like Bucky's desire to help Evil 50s Cap, both in general and given his own history as a pawn.

So it's definitely looking like Lukin/Skull wants the Cap-us for use as a new body (possible ending prediction: the good guys apprehend Lukin, but the Skull, unknown to them, makes his escape in a new form).
 
Preview of #41

I like Bucky's desire to help Evil 50s Cap, both in general and given his own history as a pawn.

So it's definitely looking like Lukin/Skull wants the Cap-us for use as a new body (possible ending prediction: the good guys apprehend Lukin, but the Skull, unknown to them, makes his escape in a new form).

Yeah...that's what I was thinking too.
 
Heh, silly Arnim Zola, trying to figure out Doom's time platform. It's not for lesser super-geniuses like you. :)
 
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