The Official Dark Avengers Thread

[Franklin Richards]

Looks like Batroc the Leaper to me.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Well yes Swordsman could be Hawkeye, but why the hell would Bullseye not be Hawkeye. If people think that this is the REAL Hawkeye than Bullseye has to be Hawkeye, he has to be just as good as Hawkeye, Swordsman is probably better with a sword but not accuracy.

 

[UK_Stu]

Well yes Swordsman could be Hawkeye, but why the hell would Bullseye not be Hawkeye. If people think that this is the REAL Hawkeye than Bullseye has to be Hawkeye, he has to be just as good as Hawkeye, Swordsman is probably better with a sword but not accuracy.

Wasn't it Swordsman that initially trained Clint?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Toxin is a hero, why, if you like him would you want him on a team that is just a bunch of villians making a power-play. The Dark Avengers overall intentions are not good, they are gonna gain the publics trust and in a couple years we're gonna have are most classic big Event in years and have Heroes fighting Villians. With the real heroes winning and taking back control of the world. Marvel is actaully trying to eventually lead things back to the good ol' days.

Pat never fully got Toxin to do the whole "hero" thing. Remember he used to let Toxin take control and run free at night? It wouldn't be too hard to believe that Toxin got the better of Pat and does "bad" things all the time now. He wouldn't be evil like Venom or Carnage, but "Bad" enough to be on this team(like Songbird and Chen)

 

[bryanss3]

you really think toxin who is basically a shelved character is gonna be on the cover now..... chances are the Dark Avengers are big parts of the marvel universe that doesn't include the the offspring of Venom's offspring.

have any of you guys seen that?
I like how it has couples ad wolverine and jean are together

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Pat never fully got Toxin to do the whole "hero" thing. Remember he used to let Toxin take control and run free at night? It wouldn't be too hard to believe that Toxin got the better of Pat and does "bad" things all the time now. He wouldn't be evil like Venom or Carnage, but "Bad" enough to be on this team(like Songbird and Chen)

But would he really be Bad enough to be part of some villianous master plan?

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Wasn't it Swordsman that initially trained Clint?

The original Swordsman, not this Swordsman.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

you really think toxin who is basically a shelved character is gonna be on the cover now..... chances are the Dark Avengers are big parts of the marvel universe that doesn't include the the offspring of Venom's offspring.

have any of you guys seen that?
I like how it has couples ad wolverine and jean are together

If any of these couples are reuniting I'd say Wolverine and Jean, as long as Jean is Mutant X. Now that Scott has Jean, Wolverine can have Jean to himself. If Jean is Mutant X, I'm guessing it wont happen for a while.

 

[Dread]

About that NA teaser, let's recap:

-Wasp is more than likely dying at the end of SECRET INVASION #8, with Pym having been replaced by a Skrull.
- Elektra was a Skrull for years and her fate is unknown. Daredevil has had nothing to do with the New Avengers for several years now, and has also had no part of SECRET INVASION.
- Mockingbird is still very much dead.
- Jean is the most likely suspect to being Mutant Zero in AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE, but the jury is still out. That also doesn't mean she would guest in NEW AVENGERS.
- Some sketch art from Joe Q's blog at the very least shows that Scarlet Witch may be returning to MIGHTY AVENGERS when Dan Slott goes to writing it, with Vision 2.0/ex-Iron Lad also being on the team.

So, there, my money is on Wanda/Vision 2.0. It is as awkward as Bendis usually likes his romances. Wanda has been a crazy mountain vixen who grants sex to wayward ex-Avengers at the drop of a hat. Vision 2.0 has all of the original Vision's data files but also has part of Iron Lad/Young Kang in his head as well, and is sort-of dating Stature. It is the sort of drama Bendis loves, and Slott would be more than willing to share for a guest issue of NA.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I can't stand Wolverine/Jean.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

About that NA teaser, let's recap:

-Wasp is more than likely dying at the end of SECRET INVASION #8, with Pym having been replaced by a Skrull.
- Elektra was a Skrull for years and her fate is unknown. Daredevil has had nothing to do with the New Avengers for several years now, and has also had no part of SECRET INVASION.
- Mockingbird is still very much dead.
- Jean is the most likely suspect to being Mutant Zero in AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE, but the jury is still out. That also doesn't mean she would guest in NEW AVENGERS.
- Some sketch art from Joe Q's blog at the very least shows that Scarlet Witch may be returning to MIGHTY AVENGERS when Dan Slott goes to writing it, with Vision 2.0/ex-Iron Lad also being on the team.

So, there, my money is on Wanda/Vision 2.0. It is as awkward as Bendis usually likes his romances. Wanda has been a crazy mountain vixen who grants sex to wayward ex-Avengers at the drop of a hat. Vision 2.0 has all of the original Vision's data files but also has part of Iron Lad/Young Kang in his head as well, and is sort-of dating Stature. It is the sort of drama Bendis loves, and Slott would be more than willing to share for a guest issue of NA.

That would be really weird to have a love triangle between a teenager, and grown woman and Vision 2.0. Thats who I thought it would be besides Wolverine & Jean, but the weirdness of it made me think it wouldn't be Vision & Scarlet Witch.

 

[Dread]

I can't stand Wolverine/Jean.

Agreed.

That would be really weird to have a love triangle between a teenager, and grown woman and Vision 2.0. Thats who I thought it would be besides Wolverine & Jean, but the weirdness of it made me think it wouldn't be Vision & Scarlet Witch.

But what is the alternative? The effective duration of a happy, stable relationship between a man and a woman at Marvel is barely a year and a half these days, even among new characters. Wolverine & Jean, whether you like 'em together or hate them together, have had years to build things up and some could say a pairing might almost feel organic, tying into past material. After all, they were making out a few times before Jean's death.

Wanda/Young Vision/Stature would be an awkward, drama filled mess. The only relationships Marvel likes are miserable angst ridden ones. Even money on this.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Exactly thats why I think that Logan and Jean are the best choice, theirs tno reason they cant be together anymore. Like you said they made out a few times before Jeans death, they've had years of build up, and Scott is happily with Emma.

Plus lets say Jean is Mutant X, maybe she's lost her memories or they've been tampered with, and she's become a weapon for the government. Sound familiar?

How old is Wanda? in her mid-late 20's? Stature is supposedly around 17.

Vision 2.0 has all the stuff of the old Vision but his brain patterns are based off of IronLad, who is a teenager. Just like the olds Visions patterns where based off WonderMan's. The old Vision had a relationship with Wanda, Vision 2.0 is more like the child of Vision than the Vision himself. I always kinda looked at Wiccan, and Speed being kinda half brothers to Vision 2.0, kinda like how Vision and WonderMan were kinda like brothers.

 

[Dread]

A little too familiar.

I don't care for the idea that Jean was always Logan's girl just waiting for circumstance to rid her of Scott. It seems every alternate reality or media depiction of the X-Men does that and I am not exactly counting down the days until 616 does it.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Well I think that Scott and Jean where originally sepposed to be the everlasting couple, but then the Wolverine was created in the 80's, almost 20 years after Scott and Jean. Wolverine became popular and the love triangle eventually happened, and since than things changed and I think after a certain point Jean was really always Logans girl. So now that Scott is taken and fully confident in his direction in life, it would be a good time to finally let Logan and Jean try a real relationship.

 

[Dread]

I wouldn't mind something no one would expect. How about Warren and Jean? He used to flirt with her back in the day and was around her age.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

That wouldn't be a good idea IMO, maybe if Logan didn't want her back or something.

 

[Dread]

"Want her back?" They were never a couple. They just would swap spit at any moment where it seemed like they would die (which, considering both are superheroes, could be pretty often). It just seems like Logan/Jean is uber predictable as we have seen it everywhere.

Even in WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN, Jean spends her one major on camera scene blowing a kiss at Logan. Jean has been boring for ages and attaching her to Logan won't help that. I wouldn't mind something a bit less predictable. Either Warren or Iceman would do.

 

[Duker Jay]

you really think toxin who is basically a shelved character is gonna be on the cover now..... chances are the Dark Avengers are big parts of the marvel universe that doesn't include the the offspring of Venom's offspring.

have any of you guys seen that?
I like how it has couples ad wolverine and jean are together

Is that an official ad?

It looks like a ten-year-old was playing with Photoshop...

 

[Dread]

Is that an official ad?

It looks like a ten-year-old was playing with Photoshop...

A surprising amount of comic book ads look like that.

I remember DC let out a few for FINAL CRISIS that looked like someone playing with a MOTIVATIONAL program for 5 minutes.

 

[hippie_hunter]

But what is the alternative? The effective duration of a happy, stable relationship between a man and a woman at Marvel is barely a year and a half these days, even among new characters. Wolverine & Jean, whether you like 'em together or hate them together, have had years to build things up and some could say a pairing might almost feel organic, tying into past material. After all, they were making out a few times before Jean's death.

I kinda feel that while Wolverine truly loved Jean, Jean herself saw Logan just as a good friend and lust object because he was the bad boy of the group, while her true love was with Cyclops.

Jean also should be pretty low on the list of Wolverine's true love with Silver Fox, Rose, Itsu, and Mariko should be much higher in Wolverine's heart than freaking Jean.

Wanda/Young Vision/Stature would be an awkward, drama filled mess. The only relationships Marvel likes are miserable angst ridden ones. Even money on this.

Wanda falling in love with someone who looks like her husband and in a lot of ways is her husband, but in heart isn't and is much younger with a girlfriend.

I think that a Wanda/Vision 2.0/Stature love triangle would be pretty interesting as long as it doesn't drag on for too long and ends up with Vision still being with Cassie.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

"Want her back?" They were never a couple. They just would swap spit at any moment where it seemed like they would die (which, considering both are superheroes, could be pretty often). It just seems like Logan/Jean is uber predictable as we have seen it everywhere.

Even in WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN, Jean spends her one major on camera scene blowing a kiss at Logan. Jean has been boring for ages and attaching her to Logan won't help that. I wouldn't mind something a bit less predictable. Either Warren or Iceman would do.

I didn'ty mean want her back, eventhough thats exactly what I said. I meant, simply want in the first place. It would only be a good idea for Warren and Jean to become a couple if Logan didn't already LOVEthe ish out of her.

Yes Jean has been boring for years, when she was the typical Phoenix dating Cyclops. But if she's Mutant X, she wont be your typical Jean Grey and she's never actually been with Logan as you said, so this would be very different. I wouldn't want to bother Warren or Bobby with Jean, and since Wolverine has always wanted her but she's always been with Cyclops why not leave the Jean burdon with Logan ho would be more than heppy to carry the burden.

 

[Dread]

I kinda feel that while Wolverine truly loved Jean, Jean herself saw Logan just as a good friend and lust object because he was the bad boy of the group, while her true love was with Cyclops.

Jean also should be pretty low on the list of Wolverine's true love with Silver Fox, Rose, Itsu, and Mariko should be much higher in Wolverine's heart than freaking Jean.

Aren't all of those ladies dead?

In way to me, if Logan hooks up with Jean, it makes Cyclops look like more of a dick for cheating on her and then slurping with his mistress on her freakin' grave whole "ol' honorable Logan" wasn't nearly as callous.

Most writers want to pair the two up.

Wanda falling in love with someone who looks like her husband and in a lot of ways is her husband, but in heart isn't and is much younger with a girlfriend.

I think that a Wanda/Vision 2.0/Stature love triangle would be pretty interesting as long as it doesn't drag on for too long and ends up with Vision still being with Cassie.

Yeah, it could be intesting, and angst ridden.

I didn'ty mean want her back, eventhough thats exactly what I said. I meant, simply want in the first place. It would only be a good idea for Warren and Jean to become a couple if Logan didn't already LOVE the ish out of her.

Yes Jean has been boring for years, when she was the typical Phoenix dating Cyclops. But if she's Mutant X, she wont be your typical Jean Grey and she's never actually been with Logan as you said, so this would be very different. I wouldn't want to bother Warren or Bobby with Jean, and since Wolverine has always wanted her but she's always been with Cyclops why not leave the Jean burdon with Logan ho would be more than heppy to carry the burden.

Mutant Zero, not Mutant X. Mutant X was Havok.

I don't see it as different as she has been with Logan in every single X-alternate reality as well as X-MEN films where it was obvious that she was supposed to be with Logan and whatnot.

It just seems very predictable, and like I said, it makes Scott look even worse than he does now, which is hard. I am getting a little irritated with Scott becoming, like, more of a dick than Superman. He cheats on his wife, then makes out with his mistress on his dead wife's grave, then has no qualms about ordering innocent teenagers to slaughter people without any remorse and even is now encouraging Logan to give into his darker desires by putting him on X-FORCE when for years Scott wanted to get Logan to not kill people as casually. Scott almost will have his own Superdickery site at this rate. Having Logan be the lover Jean always should have had in 616 will be the final straw.

I'd rather just see something I haven't see in X3 or AGE OF APOCALYPSE already.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Oh well, again My bad I meant Mutant Zero. Anyway I don't see Jean being with anybody besides Scott or Logan, so we'll agree to disagree. To me, Jean being with Logan has NOTHING to do woth Scott being more of a Dick.

 

[bryanss3]

I don't like Jean and Logan I never will. I've always loved Scott but they decided to change his character way to much from the beginning like said above. I've never even got how Scott could even be with Emma Frost look at her History and especially the dark phoenix saga(I understand now that wasn't jean it was the phoenix force clone of her, but when it was written it was Jean they didn't think of the way to bring jean back till way later).