The Official Dark Avengers Thread

[Blader5489]

Best guess: preoccupying Thor who is the only one who could stand his way.

My theory is that Norman will declare war on Asgard, or something to that effect. He'll throw all of HAMMER and the Initiative at Asgard for whatever reason he invents. The other gods will start badgering Thor to move Asgard back up into the sky, since they can't/won't fight humans.

And then Loki can make his move.

 

[stillanerd]

My theory is that Norman will declare war on Asgard, or something to that effect. He'll throw all of HAMMER and the Initiative at Asgard for whatever reason he invents. The other gods will start badgering Thor to move Asgard back up into the sky, since they can't/won't fight humans.

And then Loki can make his move.

Yep. And as justification for this, Osborn could argue that the Asgardians are the equivalent of illegal aliens since they are not legal citizens of the United States and/or their presence represents an invasion of a sovereign state and a "clear and present danger." Not to mention considering how Loki is already working over and manipulating Balder, this attack by HAMMER, the Initiative, the Dark Avengers, etc. would make the other Asgardian's question Thor's leadership as a worthy successor to his father, Odin, and may sugest Balder be put on the throne instead--with Loki acting as his advisor and, therefore, the one who is really the power behind Asgard.

 

[MightyAvenge]

Good prediction.

 

[The Question]

My theory is that Norman will declare war on Asgard, or something to that effect. He'll throw all of HAMMER and the Initiative at Asgard for whatever reason he invents. The other gods will start badgering Thor to move Asgard back up into the sky, since they can't/won't fight humans.

Or worse yet, the Asgardians all declare a unanimous "**** this" and open a can of whupass on The Initiative, leading to a massacre that will further vilify Asgard, make Hammer look good in the eyes of the public (allowing Osborn's word to allow him to discredit anyone he likes, most likely the rest of the old Avengers), and maybe even bring Thor and the rest of Asgard a bit closer to their old barbarian roots, which Loki would most certainly get a kick out of.

 

[MightyAvenge]

Sounds great.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

One problem with all that: Why wouldn't the Asgardians fight humans? If humans show up on Asgard's doorstep with rocket launchers, I don't see any reason the Asgardians wouldn't treat them like any other invading army and shut them the f*** down hard.

 

[The Question]

One problem with all that: Why wouldn't the Asgardians fight humans? If humans show up on Asgard's doorstep with rocket launchers, I don't see any reason the Asgardians wouldn't treat them like any other invading army and shut them the f*** down hard.

Hence the idea of Osborn basically sending The Initiative as sacrificial lambs to make Asgard look bad when they send half of America's super heroes home in body bags.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I picked the first issue up of Dark Reign yesterday, and I must say, it was simply fantastic. I love how Norman was so calm about things when he was giving rules, orders, etc. I feel as though Bendis making Norman in charge in he comics really is going ot be very effective, especially over time. So, overall, a very solid issue and as I said, I can't wait for Dark Avengers.

 

[stillanerd]

One problem with all that: Why wouldn't the Asgardians fight humans? If humans show up on Asgard's doorstep with rocket launchers, I don't see any reason the Asgardians wouldn't treat them like any other invading army and shut them the f*** down hard.

Hence the idea of Osborn basically sending The Initiative as sacrificial lambs to make Asgard look bad when they send half of America's super heroes home in body bags.

Exactly. If the Asgardian's don't fight back and decide to leave under Thor's command because he doesn't want the innocent to be harmed, then Osborn looks like a hero in the eyes of the public because he "chased away the Asgardians without firing a shot" and Thor to his fellow Asgardians gets branded a "coward." But if the Asgardians do fight back and thus there's tremendous loss of life, then the public sides with Osborn in thinking that the Asgardians are too dangerous to stay near the Earth and the Asgardians would then blame Thor for bringing all kinds of trouble from the humans right on their doorstep. Either way, Osborn and Loki would benefit.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

This is still assuming that people don't like the Asgardians. Everyone in Broxton seems to be just fine with them. They're a bit odd, but they've clearly come to accept them as a part of their community. That's part of why Thor likes it there. Personally, if I were a guy in Broxton and HAMMER sicced a mob of superhumans on my neighbors, I'd be pretty pissed. Writing off Asgardians is one thing, but completely ignoring the normal, god-fearing, salt-of-the-earth folk who happen to live near them and actually like them is something else.

 

[stillanerd]

This is still assuming that people don't like the Asgardians. Everyone in Broxton seems to be just fine with them. They're a bit odd, but they've clearly come to accept them as a part of their community. That's part of why Thor likes it there. Personally, if I were a guy in Broxton and HAMMER sicced a mob of superhumans on my neighbors, I'd be pretty pissed. Writing off Asgardians is one thing, but completely ignoring the normal, god-fearing, salt-of-the-earth folk who happen to live near them and actually like them is something else.

But just because the people in Broxton like them doesn't mean ALL of the United States like them, for the simple reason that not everyone lives in Broxton and thus are direct neighbors of the Asgardians. After all, most people may think they were merely mutants or aliens rather than deities. And it wouldn't matter anyway because, given their power, that's enough for people to fear them. Besides, Osborn would suggest, whose to say the citizens of Broxton haven't been brainwashed into becoming the Asgardian's worshipers--all the more reason to compell the Asgardians to leave because we have to save the people of Broxton.

 

[Eros]

This is still assuming that people don't like the Asgardians. Everyone in Broxton seems to be just fine with them. They're a bit odd, but they've clearly come to accept them as a part of their community. That's part of why Thor likes it there. Personally, if I were a guy in Broxton and HAMMER sicced a mob of superhumans on my neighbors, I'd be pretty pissed. Writing off Asgardians is one thing, but completely ignoring the normal, god-fearing, salt-of-the-earth folk who happen to live near them and actually like them is something else.

Asgard being in America is bad news.

 

[The Question]

Asgard being in America, is like giving Iran and North Korea Nukes,and then telling them don't do anything stupid.

...in no way does that analogy work at all.

 

[Eros]

...in no way does that analogy work at all.

It was a typo dude, I have to correct it.

 

[Blader5489]

I don't think you can call a whole sentence a typo.

 

[fifthfiend]

I don't think you can call a whole sentence a typo.

Sure you could, it would just be another typo.

 

[kguillou]

You know i just thought of something, didnt Norman Osborn kill a bunch of Atlanteans during Civil War under the orders of Tony Stark? Does Namor know about this? If he did there's no way he'd even listen to Osborn right?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, Tony's the one who gave the order. Tony bore the brunt of Namor's anger over Atlantis' destruction already. I doubt he'd be too pleased with Osborn, but if he could use Osborn to get back at Tony, that'd probably trump whatever righteous anger he felt on behalf of his people.

 

[chris moore]

Osborn is the CIC of the superheroes sure, but they aren't like the normal armed forces - you tell two hundred former avengers, defenders, solo heroes and initiative recruits to go take down the Asgardians and they're gonna tell Osborn where to shove it. Pretty much every hero who existed prior to two years ago knows for a fact that Osborn is the GG regardless of whatever legal loophole got his secret ID dismissed as libel and slander, and him declaring war on freakin' Asgard is the scale tipper of how far to let him go.

All his ramblings about the Hood and what he can do for him, and extricating Doom home etc is all paperwork and politics - Osborn when it comes to it will have no control on any superhero activities beyond homestate villain take downs and rescue ops.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, well, you would've thought all those heroes wouldn't have fought each other because Iron Man told them the government would hunt them down if they didn't register, either. There may be some who resist, but the majority of them will be cowed by the threat of government retaliation, just as they have been since Civil War.

 

[Mr. Green]

I read Dark Reign last night. It rocked.

Maleev's new way of drawing Namor makes him ugly as **** though.

 

[cdk]

who was that guy in the doorway ? The Void?

 

[squeekness]

We don't know yet. I'd like to know that myself.

 

[Blader5489]

who was that guy in the doorway ? The Void?

From the solicits, we know that [blackout]the Sentry will be Norman's bodyguard. So the person in the doorway is either the Sentry or the Void, depending on who's in control.[/blackout]

 

[Captain Useless]

I read Dark Reign last night. It rocked.

Maleev's new way of drawing Namor makes him ugly as **** though.

I kept expecting to see Namor's bald spot.