Homecoming The Official "Don't Panic" Thread

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Those rumors of a possible 15 YEAR OLD playing Spider-Man got me a little scared. I think it's just a rumour though, hopefully.

believe it, it's nothing more than rumor... no way in hell are they gettin' a teeny-boy to play Spidey...

 

[BarryAllen]

believe it, it's nothing more than rumor... no way in hell are they gettin' a teeny-boy to play Spidey...

What's wrong with getting an actor to play a character of the same age? It'll give a different angle than the adults we have for the Avengers.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well in typical Hollywood films or shows teen characters are rarely ever played by actual teens. Characters who are 15 to 18 are usually played by 18 to 25 yr old actors playing younger.

This is cause if many reasons one not having to deal with young actors growing to fast or change so much they might not work as character they are hired. Then there is labor laws that affect amount of time for filming. And then third is would actual young kid actors want to be in a long term deal. They way be fine for a film or two. But maybe they would want to move to other projects or go to school or play sports.

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

What's wrong with getting an actor to play a character of the same age? It'll give a different angle than the adults we have for the Avengers.

Well in typical Hollywood films or shows teen characters are rarely ever played by actual teens. Characters who are 15 to 18 are usually played by 18 to 25 yr old actors playing younger.

This is cause if many reasons one not having to deal with young actors growing to fast or change so much they might not work as character they are hired. Then there is labor laws that affect amount of time for filming. And then third is would actual young kid actors want to be in a long term deal. They way be fine for a film or two. But maybe they would want to move to other projects or go to school or play sports.

2006 pretty much explained it for me...

 

[Webhead2006]

No problem that is why logically even if marvel sony may be or may have looked at 15 to 17 yr old actors. I ultimately see it going to a 18 to 24 yr old. Cause we by pass labor laws school issues and more likely be open to signing a minimum a 6 picture deal. And if the deal is civil war infinity wars and 3 solo films they be shooting all this for the next 5 years. So actual would have to commit to pretty much all marvel work for next few yrs.

 

[ernesth100]

I'm just worried this fandom is gonna tear itself apart over this New Spider-Man crap.

 

[Flint Marko]

We need a young spider-man that can grow into the role. No more of this 26 year old dude playing a teenager garbage. I want a spider-man in high school, and a high schooler playing him.

 

[Webhead2006]

Come on though Tobey and Andrew for there first film where 27 when cast. And about 27 to 28 when filming first film.

Logan and dylan are both 23 right now turning 24 later this summer. As I pointed out with makeup glasses type of cloths and way they act can play younger and as I posted in general thread if the peyer actor is set for a first 6 picture deal. And it be for 3 solo and civil war and infinity war. With civil war shooting this yr. Solo spidey next yr and infinity shooting 16/ possibly into 17. And then 2nd and 3rd solo films shooting between 17 and 18 respectfully. Logan and dylan they both be 27 turning 28 by the time they likely be finished with there 6 picture deal filming wise. Not by release wise. By time 3rd solo film likely be released they be 29 to 30 yrs old. But by that time if each film is set in yr film is released peter has to be done with hs by solo 2 or the latest his 3rd solo film. So I think they would by filming films there age would still work.

Them if they re up contract they be 28 to 30 yrs old. And could then be playing collage age and make the character ambitious around 25 to 28 yr old. It's not like spidey will always be set at 15 yrs old. He will grow and then be set in that ambiguous 25 to 28 yrs old range the comics set him in.

 

[Morbius]

We need a young spider-man that can grow into the role. No more of this 26 year old dude playing a teenager garbage. I want a spider-man in high school, and a high schooler playing him.

It was all starting to feel very Dawson's Creekesque

 

[Frodo]

I really don't have a problem with them picking a 16-19 year old to play a teenage Peter Parker/Spiderman. If anything its the most logical way to go given Disney's long term plans . I'm a bit surprised by fandom's desire to have another guy in their mid-twenties to old play a 14 to 16 year old . I have a feeling whoever is gonna get cast isn't gonna be what fans want anyway, because that's usually how these castings go down.

Still though I'm surprised at the resistance to the concept of hiring someone who isn't pushing 30. It just makes the most sense given Disney's desire to A)Focus on his highschool years, B) Grow into the part over several years including High school and College, C) Get an actor who can play the part for relatively long period before he's got a wife and kids.

 

[Webhead2006]

I don't have problem either. Just there isn't that wide of pool of good actors at that age range be it known or unknown.

And like I said above if logan or Dylan was picked. With shooting for solo films and other mcu films likely going for next 5 yrs on and off. They would be by the time they finish filming all there films be the age that andrew and Tobey where when they first started to shoot first film. So I don't see why folks think oh they are to old. When they would have 5 to 6 films shot before they even get to age the former actors where when they begin time as spidey.

 

[Frodo]

I think it all depends on Disney/Marvel's long term plan. If Disney/Marvel truly want a teenager to grow into the part then O'Brien and Lerman are too old. Plain and Simple. If its a teen they're casting, their out, just as much as Bryan Crantson was out as Lex because Snyder clearly wanted to cast a younger actor like Adam Driver, who was apparently up for the part, and Eisenberg who got the part. Its that simple.

Yeah, O'Brien and Lerman could conceivably play teenagers at their age now, but if they truly want a young actor in the role , there are all kinds of reasons you could put forward to cast someone in their 20s, but in the end, the production has already made its decision.

It then becomes a question of whether the production has made the right choice in going with a younger actor. In the end , I gotta defer to whatever choice Disney/Marvel/Sony have made in terms of the actor they want to go with because they know the plan, they know what they're looking for, and they have the script. These guys do this stuff for a living, and at the end of the day, we're just fans giving our preferences.

They have to go with their vision of what Spiderman is gonna be , and its either gonna work or it won't.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya but still as folks brought up if they plan to have peter in civil war/solo 1 be in freshmen year. And each ur his appearances are one year in real time we would be out of hs time by solo 2. Or stretch it maybe to solo 3. And if that case I still don't see an early 20s being to old to play teen going to early 20s aged spidey. But hopefully we know soon enough what marvel plans are and actor.

 

[Spider2099]

A 15 year old actor is just way too young for a long term franchise.

 

[Webhead2006]

I agree and it's more we don't know if such a young actor can handle the pressure. How will they grow. Then labor laws affecting time for filming. Then would the actor want to stay on board with marvel for at least ten yrs. They might want to do 2 or 3 films and then leave on you.

Which is why I rather go slightly older 20 to 24 yrs old. And we wouldn't have to deal with some if those factors. But you never know what will happen.

 

[Spider2099]

What if the actor's voice breaks? What if he becomes a lot taller in between films? If you cast someone like Dylan O'Brien (who is about 22 years old), then you basically know what you are going to get.

 

[Frodo]

With an older actor, their hair line can go back, their age can catch up to them ala Andrew Garfield, they can start looking their ages when the character is suppose to be 16.

There are positives and negatives to using teen actors or adult actors so its not like there are more disadvantages for one than the other. Both models have been used successfully for decades. The question is what model they decide to use this time around.

If they decide to cast an older actor for the role of teen , then I frankly can't see why they can't look at actors like Targon Egerton in their mid to late twenties as they did for the casting of Maguire and Garfield. Why not cast the actor if their 25 or even 27 to play a teen if the age actor isn't an issue and they can pass for 10 to 12 years younger?

 

[Webhead2006]

Come on if guy is 20 to 24 range. They likely will still have hair. And hair can be fixed with wigs too. And like I pointed out if they went 20 to 24 they would have 5 films of teen spidey under there wing by the time they even reach andrew or Tobey firdt time age. Then phase 4 will likely see peter go from 20 to 25 yrs old. And a 28 to 33 yrs old actor be fine playing then a mid 20s yr old character. Them phase 5 and on we likely keep peter at that 28 to 33 yrs old range comics have him set at.

 

[Frodo]

Come on if guy is 20 to 24 range. They likely will still have hair. And hair can be fixed with wigs too. And like I pointed out if they went 20 to 24 they would have 5 films of teen spidey under there wing by the time they even reach andrew or Tobey firdt time age. Then phase 4 will likely see peter go from 20 to 25 yrs old. And a 28 to 33 yrs old actor be fine playing then a mid 20s yr old character. Them phase 5 and on we likely keep peter at that 28 to 33 yrs old range comics have him set at.

A hair line can recede pretty early actually, especially if you're talking about several films over several years which is what the plan is. I was pointing out the hair in response to the voice changing thing with a teen for a reason not to cast a teen. The point is that you can come up with a number of reasons why you should or shouldn't go with a teen. It seems to me if the argument is about not going with a teen but getting someone older then as long as the actor can pass for a teen, and can act the role well, there really shouldn't be any reason why you can't go with a 25-27 year old as well as they did with Garfield.

With a 20-25 year old you'd still have the same issue of the actor looking too old to be 14 or 15 . Then again , it depends on genetics of the actor just like it would with a teen. If they commit to an actor who's older than teenage then you have to deal with the eventuality that they will end up looking too old to be in highschool. You can't escape it. That's why I say if you're going older as they've done in the past, its harder to argue for limiting the age range to 20-24 on the basis of looking younger because you know that their age will eventually show anyway especially if the character is supposed to be 14 or 15. Now if you go the Webb/Raimi way the character can be in and out of highschool in a film or two which in that case, casting older works. However if the plan is to have several films in highschool or as a teenager, the actor is gonna look older than a teen.

If you go older, you basically conceding that you'd rather have the more experienced actor despite the fact that they may end up looking older even while playing a teen long term. Raimi and Webb excepted that when they cast the roles and many filmmakers and tv shows do as well.

Both options have positives and negatives and we could throw out all day long. The fact is whatever option you choose there's always a risk it won't work. It doesn't matter if the actor is 17 or 26. Nothing is guaranteed and nothing is a sure thing. And to be honest, I haven't really seen a convincing arguments as to why you can't do either options. That's I wouldn't mind if they go either way. Both models have worked, both models are in use in tv and film.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well hair is all about generics from grandfather's and father's hair. So it really counts on that. But hair is something that should be least of the problem. As I said wigs and other things can be done about hair.


And age thing remember each film he will be appearing in the mcu and solos. He isn't staying one age if 15 or 16 yrs old. He be aging every yr. So it be like this:

Civil war age 15. Solo 1 age 16. Infinity war 1 age 17. Infinity war 2/solo 2 if both out on 2019 age 18. And if a solo 3 could be out by 2020 peter age 19. Which would cover the time frame phase 3 is covering. So again like I brought up as long as said pick even if early 20s now can keep fresh face for next 5 yrs. Teen peter be fine.

Then 2020 and beyond we be going to phase 4 and future phases. And peter will no longer be a teen then. We see him in early to mid/late 20s. And then once we are in phase 4 they likely stop mentioning peter age. And he stays in that ambiguous mid to late 20s comics have. So then someone like dylan or logan who be just turning around 29 when phase 4 starts could easily still play the role for phase 4 and maybe phase 5 before replaced for getting to old looking.

 

[Frodo]

Well, we don't really know what the time line is of the films. For all we know CW and the first Sony Spiderman film will take place in the same year and he will be 14 or 15 in both. Or they'll take place a couple of years apart . That's why we can't assume he won't be in highschool for several films or for just two films for that matter. If they go the Potter route as claimed, then you could very well have a few films which take place within the same year much like a few of the later Harry potter films took place within a relatively short period. We can't assume that each film will cover each year of highschool. We also have to keep in mind that the team up films may focus on the mission at hand as opposed to his highschool life since he'll be sharing the screen with several different other characters. Whatever route they go the actor is gonna age .

A teen is naturally gonna be able to pass for a teenager better than a 22 or 23 year old, especially if the character is supposed to be 14. A teen actor will inevitably age as time goes on as much as an older actor will age. Acting wise, there are good teen actors and good twenty something actors. There really is no disadvantage to either option when it comes down to it .

 

[Webhead2006]

actually i cant see that happening as we know the mcu follows real life time line, unless like cap 1 or agent carter is set in a different year. So i am sure since spider is ow a part of the mcu, the ms/sony co produced films will have to fit that time frame too. And it makes sense. No reason why spidey would be cornered into his own time frame out of the loop of the mcu. More so if any mcu characters and things show up in the solo films.

So ya we could go when we first see spider-man he is a freshmen. So civil war could be set around first half of freshmen year age 15. Then solo 1 be second half of freshmen year at him turning 16yrs old. Then infinity war 1 could 17 yrs old sophomore year, and then infinity 2 and solo 2 he be 18 yrs old junior year. and if they could get solo 3 out by 2020 we cover senoir year.

All i am saying is at any rate we likely only will see three solo films and civil war/infinity films covering teen peter time. All which will fall in phase three timeline of events. So no way even if they want to do multi films that he will be a teen all the time. Just wouldnt work right. By the time phase three ends peter likely be hitting 19/20 yrs old. And teen time be done with. And then phase 4 and on like i said we likely be getting collage/young adult age peter and then stop mentioning his age and we keep spidey at that mid to late 20s age frame.

 

[Frodo]

At this point we can really say anything for certain in terms of the timeline of the Marvel films and the Sony solo films. Sony may have their own ideas for what they want to do with the character in his solo films. Feige is going to be producing and Marvel will no doubt have creative imput but you're still going to Pascal and Sony at the helm so we can't assume the Spiderman film will be totally bound to the same rules and "real time" time line as the other MCU films.

That's why Its premature to assume a one to one correlation between being 14 in one film and 15 in the next. It may not end up being that clear . We don't even know what the time gap between AOU and CW will be so we could come up with all kinds of theories for how old the character will be as opposed to hold old the character will be in another. The only thing we know for sure as far as the Spiderman character is involved is that he will be in highschool.

The real time stuff, the age of the character, and how old he'll be in one film vs another is basically speculation and theorizing. Ironically , it really doesn't make a difference whether the actor is in their teens or twenties because which ever plan you have, there's really no reason to not use and actor in their teens or twenties. That's the problem with the arguments against either because whatever negative is used against one option can be easily applied to the other option. That's why I really haven't been convinced by those who argue that a teen actor shouldn't be used or visa versa.

When you compare actors to actors, i.e. O'Brien vs Asa, then I think there a much stronger ground to stand on because you can at least compare their prior work, the type of actors they are, and perhaps their ability, though even that is questionable. In that case both can play and look like teens and the question is really which actor is better for the part. When the argument is framed only around getting a teen vs getting an adult, it becomes problematic because both models have worked and are have been used successfully in the industry .

 

[Webhead2006]

True but like I said if we know in civil war which will be set in 2016. That peter is 15 or 16 and what grade he is in. That already sets mcu peter age school period. So then again if he shows up in infinity wars 1 and 2. And other future films from then on. Right there it already sets limits to yr movie is and age peter is. I still expect by the time phase 3 ends in 2019/2020 that teen peter time will be done. If they want more solo with teen it would likely have to be back to back filming. But still I can't see any more then 3 solo films under teen time.

 

[Talion]

I don't think it's hard to imagine a timeline if someone like Asa Butterfield is Spidey:

15 in Civil War
16 in Spider-Man (2017)
17 in Avengers: Infinity War Part 1 and 2
17 to 18 in Spider-Man (2019-2020)