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Yup. A no win situation.

No kidding:csad:

After looking around and seeing how many folks have Wally's back, I've came to the conclusion that everyone needs to go out and buy Wally stuff ASAP. With all the love that Wally gets and based on how unique the character of Wally is in the DC universe, it amazes me that they tried to replace him with Bart, and now there bringing Barry back. Wally is more relatable than Barry as well, and that strokes a note with the readers. The character of Wally West alone made me a Flash fan.

If there is ever a Flash movie made, it MUST be Wally West for the reasons I stated about the character. Barry can be in it, hell, he needs to be in it at the beginning as the established Flash, (played by Peter Krause), but it must be Wally's story and franchise.

Why do the so many writers get a tingle in there crotch when they think of the silver age?
 
Yeah, he sucks. But at this point, does anyone really need another reason to hate DiDio? I'm sure everybody's got theirs by now, whether it was the idea of killing Nightwing, the character assassination of Batgirl, the unconditional support he gives to anything with the faintest Silver Age tinge, etc.

Yeah, why is that? I truly do not understand DiDio's obsession with wanting to kill off Dick Grayson.
 
He think he's irrelevant, like a bad Seinfeld episode:

"Hey we already have a Robin, this Nightwing guy is just there, what's up with that?!"
 
Yeah, why is that? I truly do not understand DiDio's obsession with wanting to kill off Dick Grayson.

If you bring one Robin back you have to kill another one to even things out, the same can probabley be said for Superboy too :whatever:
 
Didn't he say something like that in regards to The Flash too, when they killed Bart? :sleepy:
 
It was actually bigger.....but a hell of a lot more well proportioned.
 
No kidding:csad:

After looking around and seeing how many folks have Wally's back, I've came to the conclusion that everyone needs to go out and buy Wally stuff ASAP. With all the love that Wally gets and based on how unique the character of Wally is in the DC universe, it amazes me that they tried to replace him with Bart, and now there bringing Barry back. Wally is more relatable than Barry as well, and that strokes a note with the readers. The character of Wally West alone made me a Flash fan.

If there is ever a Flash movie made, it MUST be Wally West for the reasons I stated about the character. Barry can be in it, hell, he needs to be in it at the beginning as the established Flash, (played by Peter Krause), but it must be Wally's story and franchise.

Why do the so many writers get a tingle in there crotch when they think of the silver age?
Buying Wally stuff isn't gonna help anything. The train's already a-rollin' on Barry's return, and DiDio knows that no matter how much everyone b****es, the vast majority of readers are still going to buy Flash: Rebirth and Barry's comic when they come out. And he's right because comic fans can't grasp the concept of voting with their wallets. Witness: Amazing Spider-Man, still up in the top 20 every month.
 
I'm beginning to hope this fails horribly and Didio gets fired.
 
It's a nice thought, but it's not gonna happen. There are legions of people who still think Johns can do no wrong, so even if I weren't cynical enough to believe that 99% of the people b****ing aren't hypocrites who are totally gonna buy the comics regardless of what they say (and yeah, I'm counting myself because I've admitted I'm going to buy Rebirth already), the people who actually think it's a good idea for Barry to come back and Wally to get nerfed are actually the majority, it seems.
 
Buying Wally stuff isn't gonna help anything. The train's already a-rollin' on Barry's return, and DiDio knows that no matter how much everyone b****es, the vast majority of readers are still going to buy Flash: Rebirth and Barry's comic when they come out. And he's right because comic fans can't grasp the concept of voting with their wallets. Witness: Amazing Spider-Man, still up in the top 20 every month.

I agree, I don't understand people who complain and then still buy the comic.
 
I rarely complain, but when I do, I always stick to it. Except for when I don't.
 
you know....you can have a gun the size of texas.....as long as its in perspective

f****** liefeld....
 
Could be old, but Mark Waid on DC's treatment of Bart Allens

WELLS: Eventually, Impulse gave way to Kid Flash and Kid Flash, in turn, morphed into an adult Flash. Do you think those changes necessarily served Bart Allen well?

WAID: Nah. Listen, Geoff Johns and I made our peace about this. I love Geoff. Geoff's one of my best friends, and Geoff is an incredibly talented writer and is the only writer alive who loves these characters as much as I do. And I don't blame him for paving over the Impulse identity. The shoehorning of Impulse into Kid Flash was, as I understand it, not his idea. It was a wrongheaded edict passed down by an editor that never got the character and has made it his mission to purge DC of anything even remotely fun and lighthearted. But even as Kid Flash, he was still largely recognizable as Bart.

And then he became the Flash, and a more boneheaded move you couldn't have made with that character. Geoff and I fought against it, we fought like you wouldn't believe. Steve Wacker, who was slated to be the original editor, Geoff, me...we all fought the good fight, knowing beyond any shadow of a doubt that squeezing Bart into that costume would go against absolutely everything about that character. And we lost. We lost every step of the way. Ultimately, someone else's ego outweighed my opinion about what Bart would and wouldn't do, but that's how it often goes with corporate-owned heroes and is the price you pay dealing in them. Ask Keith Giffen sometime how many lectures he's had to endure about what Lobo "would and wouldn't do." So, in their infinite wisdom, DC Editorial made Bart The Flash, and that relaunch was one of the greatest critical failures in all of DC publishing history.

WELLS: Really?

WAID: In terms of sales they had on the first issue and the sales they posted by the fifth or sixth issues, it was just a crashing, crashing disaster. It was one of the most disastrous, embarrassing launches in DC history. And we were all " I'm not trying to sound all "I told you so," because it broke our hearts because we loved that character " but we warned them. We told them, "Don't do that, it won't work." Sure enough, six issues in, they realized they had a mess of a series they couldn't make work, no matter what. At that point, Dan DiDio called me up, a courtesy call, and said, "So we're going to kill Bart. I just thought I should let you know." My honest feeling at that point was like, "Dude, you killed Bart years ago." [mutual laughter] "That's so not Bart in that suit. I don't care. Everything in comics is cyclical. Bart'll be back eventually at some point anyway so, sure, go ahead and put the bullet through his head. I don't care." I figured Bart would be better off dead than misunderstood and mishandled.

Reading "a wrongheaded edict passed down by an editor that never got the character and has made it his mission to purge DC of anything even remotely fun and lighthearted", I immediately think DiDio, due to his anti-Young Justice stance.
 
Could be old, but Mark Waid on DC's treatment of Bart Allens



Reading "a wrongheaded edict passed down by an editor that never got the character and has made it his mission to purge DC of anything even remotely fun and lighthearted", I immediately think DiDio, due to his anti-Young Justice stance.
wow that was brutal. i didnt have any problems with Bart becoming the new Flash (im in no way a fan of the character other than i respect his role in the DCU). i thought it felt "right" having the grandson taking the mantle, but whatever. i do however HATE the idea of bringing back Barry. he died so heroically in COIE that i feel its tarnishes his place in DC history (again not a fan whatsoever). and when i think about it i didnt like Hal's return either, but thats a different conversation.
 
I-AM-TOTALLY-AGAINST-THE-RETURN-OF-BARRY-ALLEN. Plain& simple. I think it is very very very bad. Bad editorial choice, bad idea, bad consequences.
 
Are you still going to buy Rebirth?

I will. I want to see how bad this car crash is. In all honestly, I want to see them justify Barry coming back. I have no gripes about Barry, but I'm curious to see how all the speedsters will be affected. And from early interviews, it sounds like Wally will get a new costume.

I'm also curious to see the difference in speed and abilities among the speedsters. What makes Wally different than Barry, besides Wally being able to vibrate his molecules so fast that he causes an explosion (even though he mastered the phazing later on) and Barry being able to phaze through objects. Either way, I can't wait to see what happens and I'm sure we will get a new perspective as to the speedsters abilities. Hopefully, we will see new things that have never been done before.
 
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