The Official Flash thread

[Anubis]

Sorry. I made some spicy potato wedges last night and the cheyenne pepper is making me a bit antsy.

 

[UK_Stu]

I'm not sure how to take the news. Flash was one of the first comics I ever read, way back in 1981, so I've always had a fondness for Barry, (and for the same reason a fondness for Hal, but I'm old what can I say?) but seeing him make the ultimate sacrifice in COIE seemed fitting, and it seemed fitting the Flash legacy was taken over by another speedster. While I'm happy to see Barry return, I don't want to see a good legacy ruined.

 

[The Batman]

before they decided to give wally a family, i may have disliked the idea...

Now..i dont...IMO, Barry coming back to a modern DCU has more promising ideas than continuing with wally

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Ah, the ever-present irony of Wally's tenure. He's the hero who made good on the promise and, now that he has his kids and he's completed the journey from childhood to parenthood, everyone seems to hate him for it. It's almost enough to make you believe Joe Quesada.

 

[Anubis]

Comic nerds hate procreation.

 

[Themanofbat]

I like Barry, and he really died an "heroic" death back in 1986, and I remember him fondly, but I also got to watch Wally go from dumb-assed side-kick to a mature super-hero, and I feel kind of sad (and cheapened) by Geoff Johns' lust to bring back the DCU of yesteryear with the returns of the multiverse, <fill-in-the-blank> former dead heroes, etc...

The creative direction that the DC books are dwelving into (barring a few exceptions) is not to my liking and making me like my Marvel's and Inderpendant's a lot more.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's pure envy, man.

 

[Aristotle]

Oh, damn. So you guys don't like this?

No. We guys don't ****ing like this one bit.

didn't Flash suck anyways and this would mean really good Flash stories now?

No, Flash did not suck. Waid made some misfires, but Peyer had really turned the book around. I'm very frustrated that he and Wally weren't given a chance. And yes, this will mean really good Flash stories, but it will also mean good****ingbye to Wally West.

Why doesn't DC make more than one Flash book, only this would make more sense because it's actually two different characters. Didn't they do that with GL?

You think that's gonna happen? Really? You really think that's gonna happen? ...sorry, I forget, you're new to DC. No. It won't happen.

 

[Aristotle]

Regardless of how he goes about doing it, Wally will end up playing second-fiddle to Barry. It's a foregone conclusion. You don't bring back a character who's been dead for twenty years just to have him be a supporter to his ex-sidekick. Johns might not boot Wally out to the far reaches of space like he did with Kyle, and he may not even take every opportunity to show how much better than Wally Barry is like he did with Hal and Kyle, but Wally's role is going to be reduced. If Wally gets his own series, great, I'll read that. But if it's just the one Flash series, that and JLA are pretty clearly going to be Barry's, and without those Wally gets reduced to the same place as Donna Troy--a glorified supporter who is, for all intents and purposes, still basically treated as a second-class version of their ex-mentor.

DiDio's already said that's how it's gonna be. He barely even tried to dress it up as anything else. But he basically already said that Wally's stuck in Titans while Barry takes everything else.

 

[Aristotle]

I'm excited. I think everyone going "OH NOES WALLYYUYYYY" is overreacting just a tad. Johns lusts for Wally in a way that he never did for Kyle, and even Kyle did well for about two years post-Rebirth.

This blind, completely unfounded optimism is not like you.

I'm in total agreement here. Johns wrote Wally for too long to just shelve him.

Wake up, Doc. DC officially doesn't care about us anymore. We, the generation that stuck with them through the X-over madness and the Image craze. We, the generation that stuck with them while Marvel got Ultimized and Quesada came to power. We, the generation that still believes DC movies will one day be more than just Superman and Batman while Marvel's probably getting ready to make a freaking Squirrel Girl movie. We, their real fans, do not matter anymore.

 

[Darthphere]

You think that's gonna happen? Really? You really think that's gonna happen? ...sorry, I forget, you're new to DC. No. It won't happen.

Even if they did that, they would just cancel the better book in favor of the more popular book. Goodbye Iron Man Director of SHIELD.

 

[Aristotle]

Good point. Just because he's new to DC, that doesn't mean he's new to the ****wittery of major comic companies.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Even if they did that, they would just cancel the better book in favor of the more popular book. Goodbye Iron Man Director of SHIELD.

I'd be more broken up about that if not for War Machine by Pak and Manco. F***in' Manco, man! I love Leonardo Manco.

But yeah, Wally's screwed. Maybe Peyer can bring back a certain android badass now that he's free, though.

 

[Mr. Green]

No. We guys don't ****ing like this one bit.

No, Flash did not suck. Waid made some misfires, but Peyer had really turned the book around. I'm very frustrated that he and Wally weren't given a chance. And yes, this will mean really good Flash stories, but it will also mean good****ingbye to Wally West.

You think that's gonna happen? Really? You really think that's gonna happen? ...sorry, I forget, you're new to DC. No. It won't happen.

Damn. I guess that kinda sucks... I am still going to buy the hell out of this but it kind of surprises me that DC would cancel the current Flash book just because of Flash: Rebirth. It would make sense to actually see how sales of the current Flash book are affected first and go from there.

 

[WompuM]

well, just wait. barry's run will last for 12 issues, wont sell well, they'll kill him and bring in an even OLDER flash. jay garrick. the return to the glorious golden age.

Bring back Bart dammit.

 

[Aristotle]

Screw you, Wally West is Flash.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Errr, Jay is technically the Flash. The rest are just holding the mantle.

But, just the GL, I dig all the Flash's.

 

[WompuM]

I'm sorry, but the idea of a new flash having the mantle every 20 years was a unique premise to the series. And taking it away from Bart so rapidly, and then doing it again to Wally maybe ruins the [head, the tail, the] whole damn thing.

 

[The Batman]

I'm sorry, but the idea of a new flash having the mantle every 20 years was a unique premise to the series. And taking it away from Bart so rapidly, and then doing it again to Wally maybe ruins the [head, the tail, the] whole damn thing.

Eh...I'm sorry, but the whole Flash legacy things overrated and was being blown out of porportion with infinite crisis. The only reason Barry got killed in the first place was because his book got canned with 350, and it'd be shocking killing a dc staple. Wally shouldve never been replaced with bart in the first place. And now, we're gonna have three flashes running around again...two with virtually the same outfit...sigh.


The main thing that has me excited for rebirth is the potential return of a deaged Bart...

 

[The Batman]

Comic nerds hate procreation.

Not really...Fantastic Four's one of the few places where it works....but then again, the entire concept of FF is family. Batman having a son dosent bother me in the least either. It's just, imo, wally's character was more interesting before the kids...I also realize that he cant, and shouldnt go back. Which is why im not bothered by Barry returning

 

[Anubis]

A character doesn't suddenly become uninteresting because they have kids. If they are uninteresting, it's the writers fault for not making the situation more interesting. Waid is a comic nerd. He hates married Superheroes, he hates superheroes with kids. He hates Procreation. Waid made Wally boring. Statement stands.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Regardless of how he goes about doing it, Wally will end up playing second-fiddle to Barry. It's a foregone conclusion. You don't bring back a character who's been dead for twenty years just to have him be a supporter to his ex-sidekick. Johns might not boot Wally out to the far reaches of space like he did with Kyle, and he may not even take every opportunity to show how much better than Wally Barry is like he did with Hal and Kyle, but Wally's role is going to be reduced. If Wally gets his own series, great, I'll read that. But if it's just the one Flash series, that and JLA are pretty clearly going to be Barry's, and without those Wally gets reduced to the same place as Donna Troy--a glorified supporter who is, for all intents and purposes, still basically treated as a second-class version of their ex-mentor.

Considering that the Flash series will most likely end up in Johns' hands after Rebirth, I highly doubt that he will just have Wally simply reduced to a supporting character. He's done far too much with him, and loves the character far too much, to just simply do that. Johns did not feel that way towards Kyle Rayner.

I also wouldn't worry about Wally's spot in the League. If there was only one Justice League series I'd agree with you but I think that both Barry and Wally will be in the League with Wally being in McDuffie's Justice League of America and Barry will end up being in Robinson's Justice League alongside ol' buddies Hal and Ollie. Or maybe vice versa since Wally was a member of the Justice League Elite.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Do I really have to start listing the 80% of comic legacies who have been totally f***ed over in the wake of the previous version's return? I'm sure Johns'll go in with the best of intentions, but I seriously, seriously doubt it'll work out with Barry and Wally getting equal billing. There will come a day when Barry is the indisputable main Flash in the ongoing series and Wally is relegated to the Countdown of the day, just like it happened with Hal and Kyle, just like it happened with Ollie and Connor, just like it happens pretty much every time.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Do I really have to start listing the 80% of comic legacies who have been totally f***ed over in the wake of the previous version's return? I'm sure Johns'll go in with the best of intentions, but I seriously, seriously doubt it'll work out with Barry and Wally getting equal billing. There will come a day when Barry is the indisputable main Flash in the ongoing series and Wally is relegated to the Countdown of the day, just like it happened with Hal and Kyle, just like it happened with Ollie and Connor, just like it happens pretty much every time.

There's a big difference with the current Flash situation and the previous situations.

Kevin Smith did not write any issues of the previous Green Arrow series, let alone any, when Connor Hawke had the starring role. He lacked the massive love of the character like he did for Oliver Queen.

Geoff Johns was the exact same. He lacked the massive love for Kyle Rayner like he does for Hal Jordan and did not do anything with Kyle's character.

This time around though, Johns is back on Flash after writing 61 issues of Wally's series along with other related Wally stories. He has a massive love for the character, unlike Kyle Rayner and Smith with Connor Hawke. He played an important part in Wally West's character. You don't just ditch a character that you love and worked extensively on for 5 years and reduce them to a side character. There are also two Justice League teams to where there can be two Flashes just like there can be two Green Lanterns.

I doubt that they're going to get equal billing. Barry is obviously going to get the #1 spot overall and seen as the top Flash, but I highly doubt that Wally is just going to get pushed aside Kyle Rayner or Connor Hawke style.

 

[Aristotle]

Barry is obviously going to get the #1 spot overall and seen as the top Flash, but I highly doubt that Wally is just going to get pushed aside Kyle Rayner or Connor Hawke style.

Don't you getit? That's what we're saying! If Barry gets the #1 spot and is seen as the top Flash, that is Wally getting pushed aside.