The Official Flash Thread

Your Preferred Flash For This Movie (Regardless who it ends up being officially)

  • Jay Garrick

  • Barry Allen

  • Wally West

  • Bart Allen

  • Jay Garrick

  • Barry Allen

  • Wally West

  • Bart Allen

  • Jay Garrick

  • Barry Allen

  • Wally West

  • Bart Allen

  • Jay Garrick

  • Barry Allen

  • Wally West

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@NotFadeAway

You know I want a Barry film/series, but that is the best idea for a Wally movie ever (outside of doing Wally after a Barry series, of course :D). If they have to do Wally first and it's only one film, I'd go with your idea. It isn't the closest to the comics, but it reads like a great Elseworlds story. Nicely done. :D
 
I know I've posted this before, but here it is again, my idea for the first Flash movie, just a first draft anyway in terms of story (a work in progress). I've also updated it slightly to include some of the Geoff Johns background into it.

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My ideas for The Flash movie:

For starters, let's go with the basics: The Flash is all about speed. Everything about him literally is about speed and its related forms. His whole life is about speed. That's the premise of the film, and in the age of technology where everyone wants everything instantly, instant communications, etc, speed is an incredibly relevant concept. Barry Allen is slow, The Flash is fast. That is the movie.

Now I know that people like Wally West because he took over for Barry (and acts like a less jerky Anakin Skywalker) and I don't mean any disrespect to the character because frankly, despite my Barry fandom, I do like Wally too, but The Flash was never supposed to be about a guy trying to fill a dead guy's boots (which is a cool concept, it works for Wally and Bucky and will probably work for Robin, but honestly, what else were they gonna do with those characters?). It was always supposed to be about speed. That's what the character is supposed to be about, that's what the book was always supposed to be about (which is a fact I think people have forgotten or are just completely oblivious to with Wally and the legacy aspect so prevelant in the last few years), and that's what the movie needs to be about: the fastest man alive. And that man is Barry Allen.

Barry Allen is not only the only MAJOR DC character to have his powers because of an accident, but is the only one who has powers because of his one, major flaw. Hal Jordan has the Green Lantern ring because he is brave and honest, because of his good character traits. Barry Allen has super speed because he is lazy/late for everything, and by extension uncommited or easily distracted (a classic attribute of the absent minded professor syndrome), he has powers because of his character flaws.

The whole reason he is a forensics scientist is because he wants to help people, but he also wants to take his time at it - and chemistry takes time to get right. Had he not been late for work/everything else, he would not have had to work late in the forensics lab to make up for lost time the night he got hit by lightning/electrically charged chemicals (at age 24) and gained superspeed. Barry Allen is essentially fast because he is slow. He goes from being the guy everyone is waiting on to the guy waiting for everyone else. In a complex sense, this is like how Jon Osterman became Doctor Manhattan in Watchmen, because he was a watchmaker and could reassemble things. That is what's so great about Barry Allen, it's not his accomplishments, it's not his emoluments, it's not the fact that he was The Flash longer than anyone else, it's not that he's the iconic Flash that makes him the greatest Flash, Barry Allen is the definitive Flash because he is the only one who is all about speed. He is fast because he is slow. He's all about speed.


Characterization:

Barry Allen is 24 years old and has had his job as a forensics scientist for the Central City Police Department for about a year. He is easy-going, optimistic and humorous, intelligent and inventive, and a bit of a law and order type, but he is also lazy and late for everything; he's slow, this is his major character flaw. Been that way all his life. Barry is easily distracted or uncommitted. He has a super hot reporter girlfriend he met in college. She really likes him, and he her, but she is career driven and doesn't like to be kept waiting, which is unfortunate considering who her boyfriend is.

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Structure/Story (beginning):

I'd say start the beginning of the film with the actual scene of the accident, with a tall, young, strawberry blonde haired, blue eyed man that we could otherwise care less about getting hit by lightning alone in his lab, we know nothing about him. (This is how someone who doesn't care about characterization may have done The Flash film for all we know) But right before the lightning strikes the man, a centimeter away from his chest, everything, the lightning, the broken glass falling through the air, it all stops. A voice begins to speak. It's Barry Allen (but we don't know that yet). He says something to the effect of "You know that feeling you get right before something happens, usually life threatening, that will change your life forever? That feeling where your whole life flashes before your eyes? That's what happened to me on the night of the accident. The night my life changed forever". He could say something like that, and then the camera swirls around his body, still paused in mid air with everything else, and travels toward the lightning almost touching his chest, electrified chemicals swirling around it, and the camera climbs up the lightning and out the window, into the night sky, all the way into the storm cloud from which it came and then the credits could begin here and go on for about 2 minutes.

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After the credits sequence, we could see a child reading comics in bed. We find that it is Barry when his mother calls into him, asking him to shut off the lights and stop reading comics so he can get to sleep so he can get to school early tomorrow.

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We also find that this is Barry because he is narrating. They could cut to a series of scenes, one showing Barry in school, alone, because he was late again, where he finishes his papers last and gives them to the teacher where he says something like his grades are better than most everyone's in the class, but he's just so slow. Also cut to child running on track, maybe pan up, we are meant to think it is Barry Allen, but it isn't, the camera then drags all the way to the back of the track revealing Barry Allen, the last to cross the finish line. They could do stuff like that, to establish that he's late for everything, even that early in his life. Later this day he returns home (late), and finds cops at his house arresting his father for supposedly murdering his mother, his mother is dead on the floor. This is what makes him decide to go into forensics; he wants to prove that his dad didn't kill his mom.

Also show him in college, getting his degree in forensics and meeting Iris. He is late for his first date with her because he's lazy, he gets distracted doing something else and keeps putting off getting ready to leave. A series of scenes could be done to convey that he's late for nearly every date he's had with her, every seminar in college, etc. And at last, he is too late to prove his dad wasn't guilty of murdering his mom, as his dad dies in prison during this time.

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He eventually gets his job at CCPD, where he is also late, despite making every effort to be on time, for his first day on the job. He is slow and pragmatic and a bit of a doormat for the other cops there, but he is eventually also the best forensic scientist CCPD has, he is dependable and has solved cases for every cop that's laughed at him and they respect him for that.

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Because Barry is always late to see Iris and sometimes can't see her at all, he just shows up at her job, and although she loves to see him, this is during her work hours, and it pisses her off because she can't be with him everytime there's a commercial break or see him once shooting has wrapped for the tv station. By the time we get to the few weeks before the accident, Barry's chronic lateness has escalated into this; he has been late so many times to his work that he may lose his job, "best" at it or not, because he's been late so many times, and because he's been late so many times, he has to work late in order to make up for all the lost time, and because of this, he has to keep canceling dates with Iris, which pisses her off because he is not only late whenever he comes to see her but now it's like he doesn't want to see her at all. She sets up another date with him, one last time, and she wants him to be on time. She's thinking that maybe they should take some time away from each other for a little while or until he gets a better handle on his life at least. But Barry cancels this because of work, if he doesn't make up for everything by that night/next day he loses his job, he hopes she understands that, because the police depo doesn't want him to lose his job either. This is the night of the accident that gave him superspeed. We are now taken to the same scene we were at at the beginning of the film, only now we care about the man being hit by lightning and know his background and his wants and life.

Anyway, this ^ is just an idea for what they could maybe do with it to get people interested.

In short, begin with the scene of the accident, then after the credits (if they have them) show his life up until that point in a flashback - which we come to find out he's having as he's about to be hit by the lightning. He is narrating ala Forrest Gump, and the whole flahback sequence of his life up until that point should take about 20 minutes of screen time.


Now here's a couple other random ideas I'd like to point out that might work:

Barry is narrating into his own, personal log/journal or recording, which he keeps as he does tests on himself after he gets his super speed, but we don't know that until later in the film when we see it with him for the first time. I always imagined that Barry Allen, a man of science, would probably keep some sort of private record for himself documenting his super speed. He certainly did enough tests on himself in the comics like when he tested himeslf to make sure that he and Iris could have kids. This could also be played up in the sequel, where in the far future Eobard Thawne has this device which is now/or was a relic in a museum dedicated to The Flash. He listens (or watches) Barry recount the accident that gave him super speed and tries to recreate it, and after several tests, he is successful.

The costume ring is something Barry came up with while in college, a sort of unstable material that expands with contact with air, like an inflatable raft. He could probably make a lot of money if he sold this but he doesn't and instead cans the idea because he's just too lazy to market it. Also, the ring, even when he is Flash, has no lightning logo on it like it's depicted in some versions. I always thought that was kinda stupid considering it might give away his identity.

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At some point in the film the "Ballad of Barry Allen" by Jim's Big Ego should be played. Barry is the only Flash to have song written about him. :D

The film is a combination of Iron Man, Back to the Future, and CSI. Iron Man for the superheroics, Back to the Future for the time travel, and CSI for Barry's forensics job.

The Flash needs to do more than just run fast. They need to establish that he has complete control over his molecular structure and can literally do anything fast. Think fast, talk fast, read (and retain what he reads) fast, see fast, he has complete control over his body mass when he runs, etc. He has "speed mode" which he has to kick into when he uses his super speed - this way everything isn't moving super slow to him all the time, only when he wants it to. At first it could be done as a sort of accident.

At first Barry has no intentions of being a superhero. He ends up wearing a suit super hero like stylized suit because (although not complete yet) one, he likes comic books. Always has. Having these powers is so cool to him, of course he's gonna dress up, he's like us - what would you do if you had superpowers? Two, his ordinary clothes, because they're loose fitting, burn and tear when he runs, they aren't exactly protected by the aura around his body that shield him from friction.

One day, Barry ends up stopping one random crime he notices, then another, and all this escalates and one thing needs to another, next thing he knows he's now got a complete costume and is listening to a police scanner and is somewhat of a hometown hero, a celebrity, the city seems to love him. Eventually he ends up giving Iris West the first tv interview with The Flash, but he blurs his face so she can't recognize him.

Also, when Flash speaks, his voice should sound like speed incarnate, sort of electrical and crackley, but we can still understand him, he also talks a little fast. Oh, talking fast - this is a bother to him sometimes, because while he can understand what he's saying, no one else can. He must remember this when he speaks.

The reason for the white circle on his chest is because his life feels complete. Having this speed just "feels right", which will be explained in later films as at the time of his "death" when he runs many hundreds of times faster than the speed of light and turns into a sort of energy when he stops the Anti Monitor, he becomes the lightning bolt/speed that hit himself.

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Also, The Flash never walks. He is always seen either running or standing still, never walking. Barry walks, The Flash does not.

There could be a scene in the movie where Barry runs to the track where he'd lose many a race as a child, now as Flash, back in Iowa, and before leaving, he runs the track faster than we can blink and chuckles to himself. If only he knew then what he does now.

Also, at some point in the film, probably one of the first times he turns into The Flash with the suit ejecting from the ring, he puts the suit on but before running off he stops and looks behind him and sees all his civillian clothes on the ground (which he picks up at super-speed).

Still working on the villain, but I want it to be Mirror Master. He can be done scary and can negate the Flash's abilities.

^ These are just some ideas of what they could do with The Flash film. They aren't perfect, and many of them probably need rethinking, but I hope you liked them and would love to hear your thoughts. I know it's a long post and thank anyone who read. :)

Thoughts?
 
Yep. Would you rather have some villain like Captain Cold or Mirror Master who Barry sacrifices himself for (if Barry was to die in the film)
I would have Dr. Alchemy make the robot look like Anti Monitor (i know hes not really a robot)

You're asking if I'd rather have a known villain that Barry sacrifices himself to stop, or a random robot invented for the movie?

Established villain, please.

I mean besides Reverse Flash is their any believable villain who could kill Barry all by himself?

I don't particularly believe a giant robot could, either. That's why his death in CRISIS was so powerful. There was basically no way to avoid it. It wasn't the nature of the villain that made his death powerful, but the event.

But it never took off because of the legacy aspect.

I heard from one person who had read it that Goyer's script was pretty forgettable. Supposedly it never took off because, prior to THE DARK KNIGHT, WB felt it was too dark, which is why they hired Shawn Levy to work up a version of the project. And then The Flash was going to be in JUSTICE LEAGUE (where the Flash legacy was to come into play heavily). And then there was no director.

I really don't think WB is waiting for a comic book writer to make Flash interesting to a few thousand comic book fans. They're waiting for the right time to make a Flash movie, when they don't have a ton of other massive projects on their hands. And they want someone who wants to make the movie a priority. They need a Martin Campbell, a Chris Nolan, etc. I suspect we'll see THE FLASH in short order if GREEN LANTERN is a success.

I too think the Rogues probably work best without a lot of explanation, as long as their brotherhood is explored, their respective lives don't particularly matter in a film adaption.

I don't know that it's really all that possible for The Rogues to "quietly" commit crimes with their signature equipment, though. Actually, I've toyed with the idea that perhaps someone from an advanced race or the future should provide them with their fantastic weaponry via futuristic technology in order to cause more issues for The Flash.

Frankly, if The Rogues aren't who they are because The Flash upped the ante, you have to wonder why someone became "Mirror Master", "Captain Cold", "Captain Boomerang", etc.

I can see the "Rogues across the world coming together" bit working, though.

As for The Flash's fighting style, I've always thought it would be FANTASTIC to see superspeed turned into a form of slow motion. So essentially...superspeed at slow motion, with the speeds ramping up and down.

So Barry basically just came out of the Speed Force and randomly became The Black Flash?

What was his role in FINAL CRISIS?
 
I see what your saying Guard. I just was thinking of an idea that would be some what reminiscent of how Barry originally died w/o introducing the Anti MOnitor (which would mess up alot of things)
 
If Barry needs to die, it'd be cool to see him sacrificing himself to desactiva an bomb or something while he's attacked by all the Rogues.
 
You're asking if I'd rather have a known villain that Barry sacrifices himself to stop, or a random robot invented for the movie?

Established villain, please.



I don't particularly believe a giant robot could, either. That's why his death in CRISIS was so powerful. There was basically no way to avoid it. It wasn't the nature of the villain that made his death powerful, but the event.

Right. And even there, no one killed him. He sacraficed himeslf. He "pulled the trigger" in a sense.


I heard from one person who had read it that Goyer's script was pretty forgettable.

Wow. :-/

Supposedly it never took off because, prior to THE DARK KNIGHT, WB felt it was too dark, which is why they hired Shawn Levy to work up a version of the project. And then The Flash was going to be in JUSTICE LEAGUE (where the Flash legacy was to come into play heavily). And then there was no director.

I really don't think WB is waiting for a comic book writer to make Flash interesting to a few thousand comic book fans. They're waiting for the right time to make a Flash movie, when they don't have a ton of other massive projects on their hands. And they want someone who wants to make the movie a priority. They need a Martin Campbell, a Chris Nolan, etc. I suspect we'll see THE FLASH in short order if GREEN LANTERN is a success.

I agree.

I too think the Rogues probably work best without a lot of explanation, as long as their brotherhood is explored, their respective lives don't particularly matter in a film adaption.

I don't know that it's really all that possible for The Rogues to "quietly" commit crimes with their signature equipment, though.

LOL! Yeah, that is true now that I think of it. A dude is iced up or stuck in a mirror, nothing quiet about that. lol.

Actually, I've toyed with the idea that perhaps someone from an advanced race or the future should provide them with their fantastic weaponry via futuristic technology in order to cause more issues for The Flash.

Frankly, if The Rogues aren't who they are because The Flash upped the ante, you have to wonder why someone became "Mirror Master", "Captain Cold", "Captain Boomerang", etc.

Some of those can be done like mob names or hitman names, you know? But I see what you mean. I think some of them should be using things that will eventually become their "signature" equipment but aren't quite as developed as they will be later. But yes, the costumes and gimmicks are probably more likely to show up as Flash does.

I can see the "Rogues across the world coming together" bit working, though.

As for The Flash's fighting style, I've always thought it would be FANTASTIC to see superspeed turned into a form of slow motion. So essentially...superspeed at slow motion, with the speeds ramping up and down.

So Barry basically just came out of the Speed Force and randomly became The Black Flash?

What was his role in FINAL CRISIS?

I dunno. The speed force was turned inside out and out runs Barry to kick Darkseid in the face. It should be interesting, I can't wait for tomorrow's issue (Rebirth #3).

He didn't randomly become The Black Flash tho. Someone turned him into it, remember? Someone who knows (or knew) Barry pretty damn well from the narration in Rebirth #1, and he intends to do harm to him (and The Flash Family).
 
are they ever gonna make a movie on flash?

if Reynolds cant do it due to deadpool go with gosling
 
I'm writing an summary of the movie, like Kevin did, but, in the meantime, here's the introduction. I based it on Kevin's idea :woot::

CUT TO: CENTRAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT - INT. SHOT - NIGHT.

White screen. We hear a "Click". Then, another. Then, another. As we hear it, the image slowly gains focus, revealing to be an DNA sample. It is being studied by an microscophe. Behind it, there's BARRY ALLEN (Mid-20's). Barry is sitting in his chair, focused on the DNA sample. His identification says he's a forensic scientist. Behind him, there are walls covered by stands filled with several chemical products. An legend appears:

CENTRAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT - CRIMINALISTICS LABORATORY - 00:45 AM.

Barry continues looking at the microscophe, searching for something. Next to him, there's an window. Black clouds cover the night sky, and an thunder roars behind the glass. In Barry's desk, there's an radio. We hear snippets of an story about an storm coming to city.

Barry is oblivious to all of this. To him, it only matters the DNA sample he's studying. Another thunder roars. The lights flick. Just for a second. Too fast for him to notice.

The radio continues talking. The thunders continue roaring. The windows crumble. In the stands, the chemical products hang, almost as if they were going to fall. In the radio, the narrations becomes more and more dramatic. It's the storm of the century shapping up outside, and Barry couldn't be less aware of it. We interchange between these elements: Barry's distraction, the thunders roaring, the chemicals tripping, the windows crumbling, the radio speaking. Tension comes to maximum. The radio stops. Now, there's only interference. The windows BREAK, sending glass all over the place. Barry finally looks up, for a split-second, and then...

BANG!

An LIGHTNING BOLT storms in the laboratory, the walls crack, the stands crumble, sending chemicals all over the place. Barry gets up just as the lightning heads towards him. As the lightning gets an inch away from Barry's chest, it STOPS.

EVERYTHING stops.

The camera rootates arround the laboratory. Barry's eyes are closed, as he expects the impact. The lightning heads towards him, sending eletricity all over the laboratory, charging up the chemical products as they falls, and sending glass flying all over the place. And then, we hear a voice:

BARRY ALLEN (V.O)
You know that feeling you get right before something happens, usually life threatening, that will change your life forever? That sensation that nothing is ever going to be the same? That feeling where your whole life flashes before your eyes? That's what happened to me on the night of the accident. The night that changed my life... forever.

The camera continues rootating, zooming arround Barry until it focuses on his eyes. And then, slowly, they open, as an white FLASH takes over the screen, fading to...

GRANDVILLE, KANSAS - EXT. SHOT - DAY.

Barry's eyes. But not adult Barry's eyes. Child Barry (12's) eyes. He's frantic, sweaty and exalted. He knows what is happening and it frightnes him. It's the worst thing that could ever happen to him that moment.

He's late for school.

Again.​


What do you think? :yay:
 
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I like alot except

1. I think that Zoom should be saved. I think Zoom is Wally's darkest hero (depending how you make him) and I'm one of those supporters of making the 2nd film the darkest. I mean Zoom is bad but he's being bad so that he can make Wally a better hero, I think for the first film it's too much. I would do something similar to what Raimi was PLANNING to do with Eddie Brock/Venom. Have Zolomon be a supporting character and then in the next film make him a villain. The 2nd film should be like the "Blitz: storyline


2. Garrick being a crippled. I always imagined a scene where Jay and Wally fight side by side. I dont see why he should be crippled

3. Even though Wally did see other girls before her, I still think Linda should be the love interest from the get go

First film = The Flash: Born to Run
2nd film = The Flash: Blitz
Third film = its a toss up....



But I really like your ideas

Thank you for liking my ideas, and I see were your coming from on all of your critiques, I really do. But, hear me out....

1. I would use Zoom for the very reasons you pointed out. Zoom is Wally's darkest foe, and Zoom makes Wally a better hero, which essentially plays into a story about Wally taking up the Flash mantle. Not to mention, without an Anti-Monitor running around, Zoom is one of the few characters I would give the honor of killing Barry Allen. It was Zoom or Deathstroke, and I wanted to keep the focus on the speed force, speed enabled characters, and Flash only villians. Now, for my idea personally, you must remember that this is the pure comic version of Hunter Zolomon, I included elements of The Rival. I do personally believe that with the Reverse Flash, just roll up all three into one character and go from there, although I kinda screwed Eobard Thawne with my idea. And I agree with you that the 2nd film in a series should be the darkest, but I think that could be done just as well using the Rogues, with the world crumbling down around Wally.

2. There has to be a reason Jay isn't The Flash. I want Jay in a Wally movie, but he cannot be The Flash and there needs to be a reason for that. I guess you could simply go the old age route, but I didn't want to resign myself to that. Either crippling Jay or giving him health problems seemed logical.

3. The Wally/Tina relationship has always interested me. It was a unique case of younger guy and older girl, which you don't see alot of. And you don't see alot of it in comic book movies. I think it would be yet another unique route that would help seperate a Flash movie from the pack of comic book movies that have came out. And wouldn't it be nice for a change if the superhero wasn't pursuing his 'true love" 30 minutes into meeting the character. Sometimes relationships don't work out and your destined for someone else, but that doesn't mean your other realationships aren't important. Show that here, have Linda Park in a nice supporting role as a television reporter who gets caught up in the story and set up Wally/Linda in the sequel after Wally/Tina break things off at the start of the 2nd film. And yes, I'm still pissed at Sam Raimi for not having Gwen Stacey in the 1st Spider-Man movie, dying at end.

Before anyone thinks I'm completely ignoring everything Eobard Thawne. I would have Wally break Zoom's neck in the climax of my film just like Barry broke Thawne's. This would carry over in the sequel.

I would also try to get a "name" actor to play Zoom/Reverse-Flash. Not just a name for the sake of having a name, like John Travolta in Punisher or Arnie in Batman and Robin. A name that fits the part, which I'm still working on ideas.

I'd give my Zoom character an extensive background in hand to hand combat training, giving him superspeed kung-fu, if you will. And then Wally would have to use all the applications of his speed powers, stealing Zoom's speed, Vibrating through solid objects, leaving after images of himself, etc etc.


In addition to the opening moments of the trailer that I described for my Flash movie, in that trailer, I'd show Zoom standing over a beating, bloody Wally West saying "I killed Barry Allen, and you are no Barry Allen".
 
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@NotFadeAway

You know I want a Barry film/series, but that is the best idea for a Wally movie ever (outside of doing Wally after a Barry series, of course :D). If they have to do Wally first and it's only one film, I'd go with your idea. It isn't the closest to the comics, but it reads like a great Elseworlds story. Nicely done. :D

As always, thank you for your compliments Kevin.

You bring up apoint that I would like to discuss. I think that if we get a Wally movie first, it basically has to be an elseworlds story, they can't adapt the Kid Flash and Barry Allen because of the Anti-Monitor for film. Sure, they could always write out Barry Allen and Iris West entirely, give Wally West the forensic's job, Linda Park as a love interest, etc etc, but thats also basically an elseworld thing to do. BTW, I have a sneaky feeling thats how a Wally movie would be made knowing the knuckle heads at WB.

I feel comic book movies are best made when you pick and choose from different comic book storylines, mix and match them, and make your movie from there. For example, my idea included the Flash Legacy, Barry Allen dying, Wally West gaining his powers while toruing Barry's lab, Wally being unable to use his powers due to disease, Zolomon's dad killing his mother and then being shot himself, Central and Keystone city, Tina McGee, the different methods of gaining speed powers(chemicals and lightning, hard water), Wally's personality from "Born to Run", the DCAU Justice League humor, Wally breaking Zoom's neck ala Barry breaking Thawne's, and Jay Garrick even getting the chance to grace a live action Flash piece. I think that by using all of these different elements, my Flash movie would be "faithful". And I think it's a method that should be used with more comic book movie properties. Superman, for example. I'd take The Animated Series, Birthright, For All Seasons, and Man of Steel. From that pile, I'd craft a Superman script.
 
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I mentioned this to Kevin Smith in a private message, but I thought I'd bring it up in this thread as well.

The perfect actor to play Wally West is Michael Rosenbaum, imo. He looks like Wally, acts like Wally, has the acting range to portray every aspect of Wally's personality. Rosey could play Wally from "Born to Run" and he could play the Wally from the DCAU. Rosenbaym was a great Lex Luthor, but he was born to play Wally West. But sadly, very sadly, Michael is now too old for the role at 36. I really believe Rosenbaum would have been to Wally what Christian Bale is to Batman and what Chris Reeve was to Superman, although it's time to move past Reeve as Supes. I just wanted to say my piece about Rosenbaum as Wally.

And Barry Allen, the perfect Barry Allen is, imo, Peter Krause. Krause could still play an older, aging Barry Allen, but nothing else. Krause has every attribute needed for Barry Allen.

Both of these men are too old now, one being 43 and the other 36. But take ten years off both of them, there is your Barry Allen and Wally West. This just hit me today.
 
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The Speed Force turned itself inside out? Like a shirt?

I really think Thawne is a more interesting concept for a character than Hunter Zolomon. You could take a few elements of Zolomon's that are really intriguing and give them to Thawne.
 
The Speed Force turned itself inside out? Like a shirt?

I really think Thawne is a more interesting concept for a character than Hunter Zolomon. You could take a few elements of Zolomon's that are really intriguing and give them to Thawne.

What about The Rival?

I think the combination of the Reverse-Flash characters can go either way. If it's a Barry story, take Thawne and give him elements of Hunter Zolomon. If it's a Wally movie, take Zolomon and give him some elements from Thawne. And then, mix the aspects of the Rival in with either.

I hope that sounds fair.....
 
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@ NFA Sounds like a solid pitch for a movie to me. Question: Why would Wally not want the cure?

@ Kevin Interesting. Question: Why would Barry not want stop crime when he gets his powers? I mean he is a police officer after all.
 
Since everyone is posting their ideas for a Flash movie I thought I'd post the opening of script I read on these forums a long time ago that I really liked. Before reading this I never read fan fics.

This is not my script it was written by a poster named Zev. I am including it in spoiler tags so it wont clutter up the pages of the thread. If people are interested I can post the rest.

*The Flash*
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"Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." -
Aldous Huxley

"Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the
same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least
twice as fast as that!" - Lewis Carroll



OPEN ON:

Darkness. In the distance, we see a tiny SPECK of red and yellow. We
slowly zoom in on it... or is it coming towards us?

WALLY: (V.O.) My name is... well, that's not important right now. This
isn't just about me, after all.

We see what it is. A COMIC BOOK. No, not a graphic novel, a good ol'
four-color comic book. The Flash 123, "Flash of Two Worlds", showing two
Flashes racing each other, to be exact.

WALLY: (V.O.) It's about about a streak of lightning that sparked a
legacy... a lineage of heroes with one name.

As if by magic, the comic opens in front of us, revealing the interior
to be the VIBRANT FLASH SYMBOL, a yellow LIGHTNING BOLT on a white
circle. We continue zooming in on it until the logo FILLS THE SCREEN.

WALLY: (V.O.) They called themselves... THE FLASH!

Suddenly the logo is ripped through by a REAL bolt of lightning,
transporting us into...

A thunderstorm... at several thousand feet off the ground! Dwarfed by
the massive storm is a small, single-seat PLANE. A jet-powered
prototype, to be exact, right out of a Flash Gordon comic. We see
LIGHTNING booming deep within the epic clouds that surround the plane.
We continue our zoom in on the tiny, battered plane, noting TANKS OF
MULTI-COLORED CHEMICALS strapped to the undercarriage, like bombs.

INT. PLANE ? DAY

Inside, BARRY ALLEN, clean cut, rugged good looks, square-jawed, all
young Kirk Douglas from his blonde crewcut to his spit-shined shoes,
eases in the controls. He's your model aviator; goggles, scarf, leather
jacket and all. We see, tucked amongst the gauges and dials of the
cockpit, a small photo of Barry's girl, IRIS.

FLIGHT CONTROL: (filtered) Ground 1 to Flyboy, Ground 1 to Flyboy, do
you copy, over?

BARRY: I copy. This thunderstorm is wrecking havoc with my equipment.

FLIGHT CONTROL: (filtered) We wouldn't have had to put up with it if you
weren't always LATE.

Barry winces.

BARRY: Late? I thought I was early...

FLIGHT CONTROL: (filtered) And my mom wears boots... Do you wish to
abort the test?

BARRY: Where's the fun in that? All chemicals secured...

FLIGHT CONTROL: (filtered) How does it feel sitting on a couple hundred
pounds of experimental rocket fuel?

BARRY: No different than usual. Ask your boot-wearing mom.

FLIGHT CONTROL: (filtered) And the horse you rode in on, Barry.

BARRY: Ready to test rockets... wait a minute.

He sees BALL LIGHTNING surrounding his plane. Hovering in the air, all
shapes, spherical, ovoid, teardrop, or rod-like. All red or yellow...

BARRY: Foo fighters!

ST. ELMO'S FIRE breaks out all over the ship. Bright bluish white glows
jetting off and between the sharp points of the plane, sometimes in
double or triple jets. Barry isn't freaking... in fact, he's curious.

BARRY: Some kind of atmospheric disturbance... surrounding the ship...
On the ship. That's odd... lightning certainly is unpredict...

EXT. STORM ? DAY

From high in the heavens, a massive LIGHTING BOLT shoots downwards. We
track with it at supersonic speed as it flies just to the left of the
cockpit, HITTING the chemicals dead center. They EXPLODE.

INT. PLANE ? DAY

The canopy is blasted right off, glass fragments CUTTING into Barry like
throwing stars! Barry is slammed with BOILING CHEMICALS, melting through
his clothing. He SCREAMS as they touch his skin, not hurting him... but
something weird going on. The St. Elmo's Fire appears to be spreading
over him... He pulls down his goggles to shield his eyes from the rain
and struggles with the stick.

FLIGHT CONTROL: (filtered) Barry! Barry! Come in! Is something wrong?

BARRY: (gritted teeth) You could say that...

His craft flies through a cloud... emerges from the other end... ahead
of him, we see a small airfield, packed with fire engines and
ambulances... being rushed into action. He overshoots it... his ship has
caught fire, the chemicals emitting strange clouds of smoke in his
wake... Barry is rapidly losing altitude... the rain turning everything
into a half-image... his eyes glance at the photo of Iris, the ink
running from the rain, turning it into an abstract painting... and
below, the ground rushing up to meet him... Barry makes one last-ditch
effort to keep the plane level...

BARRY: Goddamnit.

CRASH! The jolt alone is enough to break your neck. The plane skids
through the slick mud, the propellor slapping up mudpies. Specks of dirt
kicked up by the plane land on Barry. The wings snap like toothpicks and
the fireball the airplane has become finally stops.

And slowly, Barry steps out of the cockpit. He's different, to say the
least. His clothes hang off him in tatters. He begins stripping off his
headgear, aviator cap, goggles, and scarf. Screaming? We see the
chemicals streaked over his face like warpaint, slowly flaking off in
the rain. His hair stands on end. A glow comes from within his body,
like he's a jack o'lantern. He jumps down from the cockpit as the
emergency workers approaching, bearing first aid equipment and a
stretcher. They're ready for any injury... except this. We realize Barry
isn't screaming, he's LAUGHING. Uproariously. He holds up his hands. St.
Elmo's Fire dances between his fingers.

The emergency team exchanges glances as Barry walks towards them, the
rain washing him clean of blood and mud. Behind him, the plane burns
like a funeral pyre, burning away the old Barry Allen...

Camera glides up smoothly, following the trail of black smoke belching
forth from the burning crash site to an odd trick of the eye lingering
as a result of the chemical explosion. Every time lightning stabs
downwards, it leaves a strange afterimage superimposed in the clouds.
The growing number of lightning afterimages resemble nothing so much as
the branches of a tree, growing and growing. We spin around, tracking,
following... until the afterimages become a discernable shape. We MATCH
CUT to title screen, the afterimages becoming the thick, heroic font
that spells out...

THE FLASH

INT. LABORATORY ? DAY

SUPER: Fifteen years later...

On a SIGNET RING. On it is the FLASH SYMBOL. We pull out to reveal the
hand it's attached to, signing BARRY ALLEN with a flourish. Pull out
further to reveal the paper is on a clipboard. BARRY, ten years older,
twenty years wiser, hands the clipboard to an ASSISTANT.

BARRY: Get that to the Chief right away. It should blow the Lampert case
wide open.

ASSISTANT: Thanks, Mr. Allen.

Barry turns around, goes back to monitoring a CHEMICAL FLASK on a BUNSEN
BURNER. Camera pans around to reveal a KID watching him. A few moments
pass. Bary turns around, impatient.

BARRY: What?

KID: You know, they say a watched pot never boils.

Behind Barry, the flask begins spewing thick black smoke.

BARRY: Well, this isn't a pot, it's very sensitive experiment, I need to
record the exact time it shows a change in...

He smells the smoke. Turns around. Doing a slow burn, he turns off the
bunsen burner.

BARRY: Thirty hours of work, down the drain...

KID: Sorry, Mr. Allen.

BARRY: What's your name, son?

KID: Freddie. Freddie Chyre.

BARRY: Well, Freddie Chyre, what do you want now that you have my
UNDIVIDED ATTENTION?

KID: My dad says you help the cops out with experiments.

BARRY: Yes.

KID: To catch the bad guys?

BARRY: Sometimes. Usually to prove they're guilty.

KID: How?

BARRY: With fingerprints. Gunpowder. Things like that.

KID: Do you cut up bodies?

BARRY: No.

KID: My dad says when you die, they cut your body up to find out what
killed you.

BARRY: Sometimes. It's called an autopsy.

KID: I'm going to be a cop when I grow up.

BARRY: That's nice.

KID: You wanna listen to the radio?

He bounds off to the radio. Barry is exasperated.

BARRY: Listen, Freddie, I have a lot of work to do...

The Kid finds and turns on the radio. Playing is a NEWS REPORT.

NEWSCASTER: Comrade Boomerang, that infamous Soviet menance, is up to
his old tricks again. He's holding a young lady hostage on the roof of
the Morrison Building...

BARRY: Kid, mind the store a minute...

He dashes out the backdoor.

EXT. STREET ? DAY

A very Norman Rockwell kinda smalltown. Bustling with activity. TRACK
with a freckle-faced TEENAGER in a porkpie hat. A red and blue BLUR
whooshes by him, the wake pulling his hat off. The Teenager's hand
shoots out, an automatic reflex, to CATCH his hat. He's unsure what
happened for a moment, then...

TEENAGER: GO GET 'EM, FLASH!

EXT. ROOFTOP ? DAY

IRIS, effortlessly beautiful, is tied up in classic Betty Page fashion
to a GIANT BOOMERANG. She SCREAMS bloody murder. A man in an outrageous
costume steps in front of her. COMRADE BOOMERANG.

COMRADE BOOMERANG: Scream all you like. No one's coming to...

With a WHOOSH of air, THE FLASH appears. He wears blue street pants, a
red T-shirt bisected by a lightning bolt, and a Mercury-like helmet.

FLASH: Is there a problem here?

Comrage Boomerang CURSES in Russian.

COMRAGE BOOMERANG: Comrade Flash! We meet again! For the last time, I'm
afraid!

FLASH: Can it, buttinsky! You dirty commies will never triumph over the
American spirit!

COMRADE BOOMERANG: That's what you think! As soon as I pull this lever,
this lovely creature will be launched into perpetual orbit around the moon!

He reaches for the lever. Suddenly ROCKS BACK.

FLASH: I just hit you one hundred times in the blink of an eye. Fall down.

Comrade Boomerang does. Flash rushes to untie Iris.

FLASH: You alright?

IRIS: I'm fine.

He finishes untying her, helps her down. Their gaze lingers on each other.

IRIS: Why, Mr. Flash... I don't know if my husband would appreciate you
looking at me like that.

FLASH: Why don't we ask him?

IRIS: He'll be at the ball tonight... if you'd like to talk to him.

FLASH: Sorry. Can't make it.

IRIS: That's a shame.

She gives him a quick peck on the cheek.

IRIS: See you around, Flash.

INT. PARTY ? EVENING

Two champaign glasses CHINK together. Pull out to reveal an elaborate
ballroom dance.

Barry is talking with a trio of dimwitted waitors, WINKY, BLINKY, and NODDY.

BARRY: Now remember, bring out the steak after the cocktails. Got that?

WINKY: Got it!

BLINKY: We won't let ya down, g'vernor.

NODDY: Not in tha slightest!

They salute, accidentally slapping each other, and go on their way.
Barry is tapped on the shoulder by IRIS, in a va-va-va-voom dress.

IRIS: Barry, how nice of you to make it.

BARRY: You know I wouldn't miss this for the world.

IRIS: Care for a dance?

BARRY: I've been told I'm a bit of a leadfoot.

IRIS: I'll help you get the lead out.

She drags him onto the dance floor.They begin dancing. To see them
together is to know how King Arthur and Lady Guineverie held court in
Camelot.

BARRY: Happy anniversary, darling.

IRIS: Happy anniversary.

INT. HIDEOUT ? EVENING

SHADOWY HANDS manipulate a strange radio console. Twisting dials,
sorting through frequencies. Finally, a pair of thin, sneering lips
approach an old-time microphone.

INT. PARTY ? EVENING

Barry is listening to a TV PRODUCER drone on.

TV PRODUCER: It's a variety show. People come on the soundstage, do a
bit, the audience loves it. And we tape it and send it out over the
airwaves... it's really most impressive. Perhaps you should do one of
your experients on my program, Barry.

BARRY: I'm sorry, Bill, but I don't think anyone would be interested in
watching police scientists on TV.

TV PRODUCER: Perhaps you're right.

BARRY: Besides, I prefer the real world. At least that's in color...

He notices that he's talking to a MANNEQUIN. Or the functional
equivalent at least. In fact, EVERYTHING has frozen mid-stride. Punch is
frozen inbetween cup and serving spoon. A cork caps an explosion of
champaign, hanging like a cloud in mid-air.

We hear a STRANGELY-ACCENTED VOICE, quite distinctive. The voice of CAIN.

CAIN: (V.O.) Can you hear me, Flash? You're the only one who can. This
transmission is being played out so fast that only your ears can hear
it. I hope you're listening, Flash. Because I'm going to tell you about
a bomb that's going to go off in one minute.
 
What about The Rival?

I think the combination of the Reverse-Flash characters can go either way. If it's a Barry story, take Thawne and give him elements of Hunter Zolomon. If it's a Wally movie, take Zolomon and give him some elements from Thawne. And then, mix the aspects of the Rival in with either.

I hope that sounds fair.....

It sounds fair. I guess here's my question. Why does The Rival need to be represented at all? What's so interesting about him as a character?

Let's break this down. What elements of Thawne should be in the franchise, and which elements of Zolomon?

If I'm using Zoom/The Reverse Flash, I'm going to use the most interesting one and omit the others entirely, though I would not suggest they never existed, could not exist.

I.E, if Thawne exists with some of Zolomon's traits, there's nothing that says Zolomon couldn't also exist later on. We just wouldn't see it. I see no reason to mash them all together just so they all get screentime.
 
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So...is this stupid?

Idea for a Flash franchise:

The first film would feature Barry Allen's origin and takes place over the span of about a year. The movie would deal with Barry's discovery of the Speed Force, and feature The Rogues as the villains, ordinary criminals with high-tech, outlandish weapons and methods who come to Central City after The Flash appears, and provide an actual test for the Scarlet Speedster, as well as something of a mysterious element to the franchise. The subplot would be the Rogues coming together and bonding, and Barry's teenage nephew Wally West and his hero worship. Basic themes would be about the evolution of human potential, both for crimefighters and criminals.

In the second film, which takes place further into The Flash's career when Wally is entering college, it would be revealed that the weapons The Rogues were using in the first film were from the future as the sequel's villain, Eobard Thawne, who had been working somewhat behind the scenes for some time, makes his personal move to halt The Flash's legacy with the assistance of a version of Chronos. Wally becomes Kid Flash early on, he and Barry fight Thawne, take a trip to the future via a certain treadmill, etc. The film would culminate with the death of Barry Allen in order to prevent the collapse of time and space itself, and Wally West taking up the mantle of The Flash to carry on the legacy.

The third film would feature The Flash legacy in full force, with another villain from the future (Help me out here, some version of Cobalt Blue?) bringing together Rogues from many time periods to halt The Flash's legacy once and for all. This would allow us to see some of the less interesting, but still very cool Rogues throughout history. Barry Allen would show up again to fight with Wally, thanks to the wonders of time travel, and young Bart Allen would be introduced. I think we'd also HAVE to see Zoom again somehow.

Jay Garrick would serve as a mentor/friend to Barry in the first two films, and a mentor to Wally in the third (and have his share of action). Iris Allen would be Barry's love interest, with Linda Park and Tina McGee for Wally. I'd like to see the Terminal Velocity angle somewhere as well.

I'd love to use Grodd, but not at the expense of the Rogues or Zoom.
 
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It sounds fair. I guess here's my question. Why does The Rival need to be represented at all? What's so interesting about him as a character?

Let's break this down. What elements of Thawne should be in the franchise, and which elements of Zolomon?

If I'm using Zoom/The Reverse Flash, I'm going to use the most interesting one and omit the others entirely, though I would not suggest they never existed, could not exist.

I.E, if Thawne exists with some of Zolomon's traits, there's nothing that says Zolomon couldn't also exist later on. We just wouldn't see it. I see no reason to mash them all together just so they all get screentime.

Actually, I just like the simplicity of The Rival, and I want to inculde the hard water speed origin as well as the lightning and chemical speed origin.
 
]@ NFA Sounds like a solid pitch for a movie to me. Question: Why would Wally not want the cure?[/B]

@ Kevin Interesting. Question: Why would Barry not want stop crime when he gets his powers? I mean he is a police officer after all.

Thank you, and I've actually thought about eliminating the disease aspect and moving forward with Wally always having powers, but not being a costumed hero until Barry dies. It's easier that way.

And I didn't see you ask for a link for my story on the previous pages. Sorry about that. I'm not finished yet, but I will send PM it when I'm done. And it's in novel form, not a film script. I hope you don't mind.
 
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