The Official Flash Thread

Your Preferred Flash For This Movie (Regardless who it ends up being officially)

  • Jay Garrick

  • Barry Allen

  • Wally West

  • Bart Allen

  • Jay Garrick

  • Barry Allen

  • Wally West

  • Bart Allen

  • Jay Garrick

  • Barry Allen

  • Wally West

  • Bart Allen

  • Jay Garrick

  • Barry Allen

  • Wally West

  • Bart Allen


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Barry has all of the alternate media appearances except for the best one: the DCAU Justice League.

Clearly, there is a divide in the fanbase over which Flash they should use, which is why IMO thye should honor both characters by doing the movie as a "passing of the torch" story.
 
Timstuff, youve been saying things that Ive been saying so :up:

Wally is liked more by fans. Look around the net and see what you find.
Passing the torch would be alot more interesting than seeing a standard science lab incident origin story. Have Barry be in flashbacks
Barry Allen had his chance at live action twice, give Wally a go.
 
Barry has all of the alternate media appearances except for the best one: the DCAU Justice League.

(do me a favor and actually read this post, please)

You gotta be kidding me. You think that was Wally West? :lmao:

Puh-lease. Now I'm beginning to doubt if you've ever read any Wally comics.

The JL/JLU Flash was a combination of the 3 Flashes. They used Barry Allen's story, Wally West's name and appearance, and Bart Allen's impulsive personality.

Barry Allen's story elements: He lived in Central City, was a forensic scientist who was hit by lightning in a lab (Barry's origin), he has Barry's job, all his silver age foes, status as being the first scarlet speedster and co-founded the Justice League - all Barry Allen's story. The REAL Wally West doesn't have a single alternate media appearence that he can call his own. When have they ever delved into the "legacy" and Wally's origin and his history as Kid Flash that makes him so "special" and movie worthy? Not even once. I don't even think Keystone City was mentioned.

The Wally West elements were his name and appearance. That was about it. Oh, and Linda Park appeared in an episode and the speed force was referenced once. That about rounds out the Wally West elements of the JL/JLU Flash - kinda sucks if you were expecting the guy from the comics.

Bart Allen elements: The impulsive personality. It was a less punkish Bart Allen. The creators were even going to use Impulse when they originally pitched the show so there would be some kid memebers in the JLA. They were pitching to Wb originally, and WB likes shows with kid protagonists over adult ones. But they actually ended up using The Flash, as we all know, but they kept that personality. Wally West in the comics is much more intelligent than the JL/JLU Flash and acts more like Anakin Skywalker. A lot of this Flash was how the creators of the show wanted to characterize him and not necessarily how he was displayed in the comics.

That is especially true in the case of John Stewart, Hawkgirl, and The Flash. John Stewart in the comics was a black stereotype for a long time, and the marine, hardass, by-the-books, no onsense angle they added to him and has since become part of the comics. Same with Hawkgirl, she was kind of a ***** on the show, not quite how she was in the comics either.


So, in short:

They used Barry's story because it's the simplest to "get", i. e., not bogged down by legacy continuity and grew up with Barry/were most familiar with him, they used Wally's name and likenes at the end of season two because he was The Flash in the current comics which were very popular at the time because of Geoff Johns, and they used Bart's impulsive personality because they were originally going to use Impulse in the JLA instead of Flash because they were pitching the series to WB and WB likes mostly kid/teen characters in their shows. When they sold the show to Cartoon Network with a phone call they decided to use The Flash because he's such of a staple in the JLA and because they were doing CN and they don't mind cartoons with more adult protagonists, but they kept the personality so young kids would have someone to identify with.

So the JL/JLU Flash is really just a red haired, idiotic Barry Allen.


Clearly, there is a divide in the fanbase over which Flash they should use, which is why IMO thye should honor both characters by doing the movie as a "passing of the torch" story.


This is the type of thing that will drive away new audiences and exactly why the creators of JL/JLU gave Wally Barry's story in the first place:

From http://jl.toonzone.net/flash/flash.htm

Fundamentally the Flash is a difficult character to adapt, as his history from the comic books draws heavily from what has become known as the “Flash Legacy,” a mythos that has become both a blessing and a curse for the character. Here, Wally West is the third man to take up the mantle of the Flash, with Jay Garrick (the Golden Age Flash) and Barry Allen (the Silver Age Flash) coming before him…and this doesn’t even take into account the presence of Johnny Quick, Max Mercury, Jesse Quick, Impulse—a literal army of speedsters that spans hundreds of years, with each of them connected to the Speed Force, a fundamental energy source that all speed-related individuals tap into. While it is true that this mythos does provide a rich tapestry for writers to draw upon, it also holds the character back, as most modern-day Flash stories seem to be mired in it (in the comics, Wally West fights crime as the Flash in memoriam of Barry Allen, who died in 1985's Crisis on Infinite Earths series, and is constantly in his shadow). As a result, readers often see the current Flash as nothing more than an extension of the mythos and not as an individual character; as he races through the pages of his monthly comic he drags his back-story behind him.

That is exactly what a movie about a character most people have never even heard of does not need - a long ass, strings attached, mountainous continuity. A continuity, that, according to the way you want to do things what with just having Barry die at the beginning and then shoe-horning Wally into his suit, isn't even there because Barry is so un-established. Recipe for disater because no one will care.

Let's read on:

To combat this, the creative team took a big risk by severing Wally West’s ties to the Flash Legacy. On Justice League Wally is the only superhero to ever bear the identity of the Flash, and this distance from the mythos allows the character the chance to be something that he has never been able to be in his previous incarnations: unique. He doesn’t have to operate in the shadow of two prior incarnations; he is free to live his life without being compared to another hero. And while comic fans have complained about the absence of Jay Garrick and Barry Allen, their omission provides Wally the opportunity to be his own man.


That's exactly what is needed for the first movie; an interesting character who is self contained that can support his own movie. Wally West does not have that, Barry Allen does, which is why the creators used Barry's story instead of Wally's on JL/JLU.

In keeping with the concept of Wally West being the only Flash, it should come as no surprise that, without a mentor in Barry Allen or the presence of the Teen Titans to hone his skills with, the creative team decided to make his character fill the category of “the rookie” in the team’s dynamic. Portrayed as still learning the full range of his abilities and being inexperienced in terms of sacrifice (his bewilderment over Wonder Woman’s banishment in "Paradise Lost," his inability to comprehend leaving a teammate behind in "The Savage Time" or in "Hearts and Minds"), the Flash provides an interesting contrast when compared to his more seasoned teammates, who have been doing the job for years (and, in some cases, for centuries). In truth, the character is more Kid Flash than regular Flash, and the opportunity to see his evolution as a hero sans Barry is a new wrinkle for an old, Silver Age character. In addition, his lack of a mentor provides Wally with a measure of uncertainty when it comes to what his powers are actually capable of—as shown in "Only a Dream," the thought that his powers may one day lock him into super-speed mode permanently is one that will keep him awake at night for years to come.

All that fits perfectly with Barry, as he was 24 when he became Flash/got his superpowers and had ZERO experience at what he was doing. Truthfully, Wally West had much more experience at being a superhero than Barry when he became The Flash because he was a superhero most of his whole life! Unlike Barry, he had been a sidekick since he was a kid. He had all this experience, yet anything Barry did still dwarfs Wally. Speaks volumes about the characters, I think. :woot:

So like I said, everyone benefits from a Barry Allen movie or two first. It is self contained, will get people interested in The Flash, and lays the groundwork for the legacy aspects. Plus, it is compatible with the other DC films that are starting at the beginning of their respective characters and would work best for a JLA movie. And you will be able to tell the best Wally story this way. Anything else is a moronic way to go and will **** up the characters, all of them.
 
BTW, here's another poll that has a much larger size sampling (over 8,000), where Wally is beating Barry by a whopping 44 points. Clearly, Wally is The Flash for a great many people. Doing a Flash movie without Wally would be unwise.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090401-flash-poll.html

Thing is, most the people who voted have no idea who Barry is. Look at some of the comments on there. You'll see things like "I just read my first Barry comic today". More than half my generation has never read a Barry Allen story. Taking a poll now is the equivelant of taking a poll on who everyone's favorite GL is a few months before Green Lantern: Rebirth hits, or mid story. People would have no idea about Hal Jordan because most of them have grown up with Kyle. Even a year or so back when they were talking about doing a JLA film, a lot of places had John Stewart in the lead because most the people voting were only familiar with the cartoons.

Same case with Flash. There are virtually no current Barry stories out there in comparison with the Wally West stories, because he has been Flash for the last 20 years, he is the one that most people participating have grown up with. They're uninformed, but an uninformed vote still counts. Most people can't tell Wally from Barry because they don't know enough about Barry in the first place.

So that isn't any surprise that Wally is leading because most people don't know anything about Barry Allen. Barry's been gone for over 22 years, cut him some slack. All things considered, the polls are impressive that he has as many as he does.
 
Passing the torch would be alot more interesting than seeing a standard science lab incident origin story. Have Barry be in flashbacks

You all complain that you don't want Barry Allen because you don't want to see an origin flick. Yet you want a Wally movie where he becomes Flash, also an origin flick.

Wally going from Kid Flash to Flash is an origin. And you honsetly think they wouldn't show him getting his powers as Kid Flash (the same way Barry did, which is hokey and stupid, not to mention unoriginal, especially if it's an accident), in a flashback? So you'd have the origin of Kid Flash, the origin of Kid Flash's transformation to Flash, and flashbacks with Barry as The Flash that show how he got his powers?

Can you say too much for one movie? That would be way too congested, especially for the first film. Bad idea.

Of the two, Barry has the better origin, clearly. Give him good characterization and a compelling story, and the rest is done. There's your movie. If you want Wally to even begin to make sense to non comic book people you will have a lot of re-tooling on your hands, so much that the finished result won't even be the comic book Wally, which defeats the purpose of using Wally in the first place.

Barry Allen had his chance at live action twice, give Wally a go.

Are you talking about the Flash tv show and the crappy Friends JLA pilot or the tv show and the Legends of the Superpowers tv movie? Either way, you seriously think that is a fair shot at anything and is on par with getting a movie? :wow:

Honestly, this thing is so damn circular. Every few weeks some uneducated person comes along and complains that Wally should get the movie because "I like him best" but never thinks about the adaptability, and I have to confront them with logic. ('course then they just post pictures with assinine captions in place of a well reasoned response) I should just start copying and pasting the same arguments for the new people... :whatever:
 
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Ok Im gonna flat out say it

Kevin Smith you're really annoying

You write these long post on why everyone else is wrong and you're right. You call ppl idiots for no reason just because they dont agree with your opinion. Its fine to debate but when you're being a jerk about it it takes the fun out of doing. You make yourself seem like a real a**hole. Please stop
 
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Honestly, this thing is so damn circular. Every few weeks some uneducated idiot comes along and complains that Wally should get the movie because "I like him best" but never thinks about the adaptability, and I have to confront them with logic. ('course then they just post pictures with assinine captions in place of a well reasoned response) I should just start copying and pasting the same arguments for the new people... :whatever:

It would be even better if you refrained from referring to people who have differing ideas than yours as "idiots". Learn to discuss things civily...or I will be copying and pasting your name to the probationary list.
 
Ok Im gonna flat out say it

Kevin Smith you're really annoying

You write these long post on why everyone else is wrong and you're right. You call ppl idiots for no reason just because they dont agree with your opinion. Its fine to debate but when you're being a jerk about it it takes the fun out of doing. You make yourself seem like a real a**hole. Please stop

Just because someone is being rude and calling people names, it doesn't give everyone else free reign to do so also. Please refrain from doing this again in the future.
 
It would be even better if you refrained from referring to people who have differing ideas than yours as "idiots". Learn to discuss things civily...or I will be copying and pasting your name to the probationary list.

Sorry. Won't happen again.
 
You write these long post on why everyone else is wrong and you're right.

It's a well reasoned argument. Not just pictures. Maybe you should read it. If you disagree, say something back, but be prepared to back it up with facts. :)
 
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Your argument always focuses around why people should not prefer Wally West, but it doesn't change the fact that people do prefer Wally West. I like Wally because I think he's a more entertaining character. Barry, to me has always seemed more like the oldschool kind of superhero who was more of a role model than a 3 dimensional character, and coincidentally, his career was mostly during the time when DC couldn't seem to figure out why Marvel's comics were selling better. The reason Wally got people so interested in The Flash again was because he made The Flash into something people could relate to more, and the readers loved it. Barry is the pre-crisis Flash, and Wally is the post crisis Flash. The post-crisis versions of DC's heroes, by and large have been seen as deeper characters, and that's why DC's sales got a good shot in the arm from Crisis through the 90's.

Also, I'd like to point out that the vast majority of Green Lantern polls show that Hal Jordan is prefered by most fans, while Wally West is the preferred Flash.
 
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It's a well reasoned argument. Not just pictures. Maybe you should read it. If you disagree, say something back, but be prepared to back it up with facts. :)
Its whatever I'm just going to ignore you and accept that your one of the 3 most annoying ppl on the site
 
I would love to see these pics in a Wally West movie

the-new-flash-1-by-mike-baron.jpg

FLS-Cv14.jpg

flash213lrg.jpg
 
Your argument always focuses around why people should not prefer Wally West, but it doesn't change the fact that people do prefer Wally West.

So what? That is my point. Wally isn't economical for the first film.

I like Wally because I think he's a more entertaining character. Barry, to me has always seemed more like the oldschool kind of superhero who was more of a role model than a 3 dimensional character,

That's all fine and good, but how well do you know Barry? Is there a reason why he can't be 3 dimensional as well? People said the same about Hal Jordan and even Superman and Captain America.

and coincidentally, his career was mostly during the time when DC couldn't seem to figure out why Marvel's comics were selling better. The reason Wally got people so interested in The Flash again was because he made The Flash into something people could relate to more,

That was the take on all the post crisis characters except Barry for some reason. They could've rebooted Barry the same way they did Superman but they had just killed him.

and the readers loved it.

Not at first. Not for a longtime, in fact. I'm sure they appreciated the character driven stories, but have you ever read one of the letters columns? They were filled with letters about how Wally wasn't Flash. Which was good because at least people were talking about it.

Barry is the pre-crisis Flash, and Wally is the post crisis Flash. The post-crisis versions of DC's heroes, by and large have been seen as deeper characters, and that's why DC's sales got a good shot in the arm in the 90's.

All the post crisis versions are better because they have actual characterization. Barry was gone before that was common in comics. Now they bring him back and are doing a post crisis Barry Allen finally, which is something I've wanted to see for years. there is no reason why he can't be as engaging as anyone else, even more so. All the concepts are there.

Also, I'd like to point out that the vast majority of Green Lantern polls show that Hal Jordan is prefered by most fans, while Wally West is the preferred Flash.

Yes, that was my point, today they are. Burt if you'd have went back during Kyle's heyday or at least when they had made the decision to bring Hal back, they had Kyle in the lead. Some sites more than others, just like with Wally and Barry now.
 
To combat this, the creative team took a big risk by severing Wally West’s ties to the Flash Legacy. On Justice League Wally is the only superhero to ever bear the identity of the Flash, and this distance from the mythos allows the character the chance to be something that he has never been able to be in his previous incarnations: unique. He doesn’t have to operate in the shadow of two prior incarnations; he is free to live his life without being compared to another hero. And while comic fans have complained about the absence of Jay Garrick and Barry Allen, their omission provides Wally the opportunity to be his own man.

And herein lies the problem, and I think this snippet helps illustrate it:

Even without living under the shadow of Barry Allen, which supposedly was making him unique, that version of The Flash wasn't very interesting at all.

The JL animated Flash was shallow as hell, a walking punchline, and not much else.

A Flash movie deserves MUCH better from its titular character, for Barry, Wally, or Jay.

It's becoming apparent that most people clearly don't know anything about The Flash except what they've seen in the cartoons, and that even when they do, they don't recognize the important elements of Barry Allen and Wally West. And that's a real shame.
 
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And herein lies the problem, and I think this snippet helps illustrate it:

Even without living under the shadow of Barry Allen, which supposedly was making him unique, that version of The Flash wasn't very interesting at all.

The JL animated Flash was shallow as hell, a walking punchline, and not much else.

A Flash movie deserves MUCH better from its titular character, for Barry, Wally, or Jay.

It's becoming apparent that most people clearly don't know anything about The Flash except what they've seen in the cartoons, and that even when they do, they don't recognize the important elements of Barry Allen and Wally West. And that's a real shame.

Hell yes!! Yes!! FINALLY!!! Someone sees what I'm talking about! THANK YOU!!! :woot::woot::word::applaud:up::up:

We can't let the uneducated people make the decisions, and if this is how the majority of so called "fans" are, then what does that say about the guys in charge who typically don't have a clue in the first place? :wow:

Even post crisis with modern writing, Wally isn't that interesting a character, he wasn't to begin with - he was Kid Flash. It takes a lot to make that interesting.
 
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Here is a picture I want to see in the movie that would even work great as a poster:

flsreb-cv2-variant-copy.jpg


Barry Allen FTW! :D
 
Looks like all the fun has been sucked out of this thread. Nice going, guys. :(
 
Am I the only person who thinks the Flash ring is just silly? I mean, how do his earpieces fit inside the ring?
 
Does it really matter, whoever it ends up being, we will all be seeing it.
 
yea its probably something the film people would leave out. unless they could make it work.
 
Judging from this poll, I'm fine with Wally West being the main focus of the film.
 
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