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[Canemacar]

Ok, I just read an advanced summary of #204 and I now hate Gambit more than ever.

 

[squeekness]

Ok, I just read an advanced summary of #204 and I now hate Gambit more than ever.

In that case, I'll probably be pleased with it.

 

[Canemacar]

In that case, I'll probably be pleased with it.

That depends. Do you like it when Gambit is pathologically dependent upon Rogue and utterly submissive?

 

[squeekness]

Not really, no.

 

[Canemacar]

Then you'll hate it too.

 

[squeekness]

Well, that's why I write my fanfic. Trying to remember Gambit the way he should be.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Ok, I just read an advanced summary of #204 and I now hate Gambit more than ever.

Oh God, lemme guess, an "I can't live without you" vibe?

 

[Canemacar]

Oh God, lemme guess, an "I can't live without you" vibe?

I *wish* it was as mild as that.

 

[squeekness]

Don't spoil it for us.

 

[Canemacar]

The summary right here if anyone wants to read it:

Spoiler

We get an update on her condition and... SPOILERS! it isn't good. It's so bad that Sinister considers killing her, and that it's not worth keeping her alive. He and Emma can't find her mind, because basically, there's nothing to be found. All that he can find of her are a few scattered thoughts/memories and impulses, and nothing more.

Gambit gets upset and tells Sinister that if he's going to kill Rogue, he'll have to go through him first.

Essex puts him in his place, then Mystique tells him that they shouldn't kill Rogue because somewhere in her head is the full version of Destiny's Diaries. According to him, if they can't even find her mind, they won't be able to find the diaries. He tells her that he asked to look through Mystique's mind instead because she's read the diaries too, but she refuses, saying that she's using her psi shield for a reason, and that she is only working with him, not for him. Then Raven suggests that maybe if Rogue were to wake up to a friendly face, maybe they could get a fix on her personality. She then glares at Gambit.

And then we get the Rogue and Gambit moment.

He says that he was never good at saying sorry, talks about how he went away from her, and even went away from himself. And now that he's back to himself again, she's the one that's gone.

He wants her to fight it and tells her that he doesn't care if she spits in his face (or was it slap, I don't quite remember), or never lets him explain, he just wants her to wake up.

And then we get a two-page spread of a look inside her head at that moment. There a few random faces around the borders in the background, but the main images are of memories of him and her together. Her flying with him while blind, the moment she left him in Antarctica, her telling Remy that she's stubborn and that she wants more (I think this line is from X-Treme), another image of her sort of introducing him and saying that for now at least, he's on the side of the angels, and another image of her saying that she'll follow him to where ever he goes.

And then she wakes up, telling him that she'd just had a horrible dream/nightmare, and then her eyes start glazing over, saying something about it being dark/getting darker, then she rattles off a vector/coordinate, not herself anymore, then becomes unconscious again.

It turns out that Mystique was watching the whole thing. She tells Gambit that maybe he should touch her to let her permanently absorb him, so he could become a piece of her, mocking him that it might be on par with his version of romance, or something to that effect. Rogue is alone, suffering, and definitely not at peace while unconscious, and she thinks that it might do her good.

He's wondering if Mystique is actually concerned with her, and Mystique says that she does care if Rogue is alive and happy. She tells him that they both tried to kill her and that it makes them both even, and they'd have to wade through a lot of blood to try to make it up to her.

She takes a glance at Rogue, then tells Remy to have patience, for the pieces to fall into place...

Now onto the "Scott blames Rogue" scene. The Astonishing X-men plus Bobby all talking about what they should do about the whole situation with Sinister, and have figured out that everything that's been going on lately has to do with the future. Wolverine wants to storm into the place and rescue Rogue. Emma concurs with him, and Scott tells them that he's already chosen a team that will go to Sinister's base. When everyone leaves, Bobby stays behind and accuses him of sounding like he wants to disband Rogue's team. Scott tells him if he hadn't noticed by now, there isn't a team left, it's only him, and that Rogue got it all wrong.

Then Bobby gets angry at him for blaming Rogue, saying that he was there when Scott told her that bringing Sabretooth was a bad idea, but it didn't change anything. Mystique was Scott's fault because he was the one that led the vote. Karima shouldn't be thought of any different than when Lorna was possessed by Malice, and regardless of everything, they defended the mansion from the Children of the Vault and saved the world from a brain-stealing alien. He says that the only reason they're being disbanded is because Cable died, but he shouldn't do it because Nathan wouldn't have wanted it that way.

Scott then says that no one's going to be disbanded or sidelined, and if anyone should be blamed, it's Sinister and the Marauders, and they're going to take the fight to him.
And, that's basically all the Rogue-related stuff this issue. I guess we'll have to wait to see what happens SPOILERS! until she wakes up...again.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I *wish* it was as mild as that.

Am so not reading the spoilers, lol. t:

 

[squeekness]

me neither. I can hold out until Wednesday....maybe... probably....

 

[Canemacar]

Oh, you'll look....You'll look.

*evil cackle*

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Still not reading the thingy, but something dawned on me.

Remember when he had that debate about whether Cyke was boring/submissive or not?

And right now, in the very same issue, Cyke basically tells Emma to f**k off if she plans on being a b**ch while Remy will do something like telling Rogue he'd do anything (meh, make that begging?) just so she'd wake up.

Poor Gumbo, lol.

 

[Canemacar]

Still not reading the thingy, but something dawned on me.

Remember when he had that debate about whether Cyke was boring/submissive or not?

And right now, in the very same issue, Cyke basically tells Emma to f**k off if she plans on being a b**ch while Remy will do something like telling Rogue he'd do anything (meh, make that begging?) just so she'd wake up.

Poor Gumbo, lol.

Cyke finds his balls at the same time Gambit looses them for good(at least as far as I'm concerned). Almost makes you wonder if they planned it.....

 

[DJSCARLET]

DAMN IT Canemacar. DAMN, DAMN DAMN!!!!!!
well...i lost some money.
i can just hear romy fans cheering away. bet their happy.
my only hope...that spoiler you put up was a dud. otherwise...

 

[Canemacar]

I have to wonder who in the world would actually be cheering to hear that kind of self-debasement? I know being a Romy fan generally involves a bit of self-delusion(used to be one myself so I'd know), but that would be quite a feat of doublethink.

 

[DJSCARLET]

dude, you would be surprised.
that little sappy pic with gambit crying is inspiration enough that there is still a chance for romy, seeing is she is still living in #207.
i can not imagine you as being a romy fan...ever.

 

[iamlegend]

dude, you would be surprised.
that little sappy pic with gambit crying is inspiration enough that there is still a chance for romy, seeing is she is still living in #207.
i can not imagine you as being a romy fan...ever.

Eh, one of my few hopes at this point is that the crossover ends with Rogue being able to touch Gambit...

And hence the whole angst thing would die and the characters could go back to being their respectable selves again...

Seriously, though. Does Marvel realize that if they offed the whole "Rogue can't touch anyone, especially Gambit" thing that both characters could truly develop into huge fan favorites again? I mean, ditch that whole thing and Gambit/Rogue could have their respective personalities back, but be the ultimate X-Couple at the same time.

 

[LadyVader]

How can you compare Cyclops' dysfunctional sex-romp of a relationship with a psycho manipulative b*tch like Emma Frost to Gambit's relationship with Rogue?

Gambit has been through HELL. Ok, he's partly to blame, but ultimately he wanted to be the hero that nobody else could and it blew up in his face. Now who knows what kind of stuff he had to go through to remove what Poccy did to him.

In this condition... why is it so unbelievable he would cling to the one person in his life who loved him truly loved him. Even if they broke up, even if they have bad history. She brought him from the brink of death, remember!? I'm not saying that I'm looking forward to them reigniting their undying love and humping like rabbits while covered in plastic wrap...

But we gotta let Gambit and Rogue resolve their situation. If nothing else he still owes her for what happened in Madripoor. Now it's his turn to bring her back.

 

[Canemacar]

How can you compare Cyclops' dysfunctional sex-romp of a relationship with a psycho manipulative b*tch like Emma Frost to Gambit's relationship with Rogue?

Surely you're not trying to imply that Gambit and Rogue's "relationship" in any way resembles a stable, healthy union between two people who love each other.

Gambit has been through HELL. Ok, he's partly to blame, but ultimately he wanted to be the hero that nobody else could and it blew up in his face. Now who knows what kind of stuff he had to go through to remove what Poccy did to him.

The idjit brought it on himself. Why should anyone feel sorry for him when he's perfectly content to do that sort of thing and then wallow in the misery?

In this condition... why is it so unbelievable he would cling to the one person in his life who loved him unconditionally.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Rogue. HAHAHAHA!!! Love him unconditionally? HAHAHAHA!!! *wipes away tears*

That's a good one.

*chuckles*

Even if they broke up, even if they have bad history. She brought him from the brink of death, remember!? I'm not saying that I'm looking forward to them reigniting their undying love and humping like rabbits while covered in plastic wrap. But we gotta let Gambit and Rogue resolve their situation. If nothing else he still owes her for what happened in Madripoor. Now it's his turn to bring her back.

I don't see how a questionable story by a writer well past his prime written years ago requires that Gambit be a p*ssy-whipped moron without an iota of self-respect in this one.

 

[LadyVader]

Surely you're not trying to imply that Gambit and Rogue's "relationship" in any way resembles a stable, healthy union between two people who love each other.

They've had their ups and downs. When it was good, it was real good. When it was bad, it was terrible. But with Cyclops and Emma... it's always terrible

The idjit brought it on himself. Why should anyone feel sorry for him when he's perfectly content to do that sort of thing and then wallow in the misery?

I don't know, because you're supposed to identify with a character. Because we all know what failure and regret feels like.


BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Rogue. HAHAHAHA!!! Love him unconditionally? HAHAHAHA!!! *wipes away tears*

That's a good one.

*chuckles*

Ok... I replaced that "unconditionally" with "truly".



I don't see how a questionable story by a writer well past his prime written years ago requires that Gambit be a p*ssy-whipped moron without an iota of self-respect in this one.

Questionable!? HAHAHA, that's a good one. You call Claremont's story questionable? What about some of the crap Austen spewed up since then? or the idiot who thought of turning Gambit into Death? What do you call that!?

Regardless, Gambit wouldn't be alive today if wasn't for Rogue. That doesn't mean he's ***** whipped or pathetic. It means he's indebted.

:heart: :heart:

 

[Silver Phoenix]

OK...was not going to read through the spoiler, but then I got to read aaaall the last posts,so then I got really curious and...I had to be spoiled!It does sound awfully sentimental,doesn't it, the whole scene there-still waiting to read it for myself...argh, I have to wait 2 more weeks till we get the issue here*dies*-but I do wonder if there's any hope for them;I have to agree, the whole not touching thing worked back at the start, but now?Come on, it's really time to move past that-and they can do that, there has to be a way AND it would indeed work wonders for the characters that have grown somewhat 'tiresome'-forgive the expression,fellow fans, if you meant to take offense,I hope you'll understand what I mean here-and bring them back to the top,where I, for one, would like them to be!

 

[Neptune]

Ok so i read the summary and i am not happy. I understand that even after all that has happened Gambit wouldn't simply want Rogue dead or hurt but come on! Gambit knows how to keep his cool, he knows how to hide his emotions and make a "pokerface". It just silly to act like he does. Does he want to blow his cover?

 

[Canemacar]

They've had their ups and downs. When it was good, it was real good. When it was bad, it was terrible. But with Cyclops and Emma... it's always terrible

Emma and Cyke's relationship, for all it's problems, is far more mature and adult than Romy has ever been or will be.

I don't know, because you're supposed to identify with a character. Because we all know what failure and regret feels like.

Thats not simple failure or regret. What Gambit did is basically natural selection. Anything that stupid doesn't deserve to live.

Ok... I replaced that "unconditionally" with "truly".

Still laughing. Romy is the emotional equivalent of self-mutilation.


Questionable!? HAHAHA, that's a good one. You call Claremont's story questionable? What about some of the crap Austen spewed up since then? or the idiot who thought of turning Gambit into Death? What do you call that!?

Par for the course as far as Gambit is concerned. You'd think the guy was allergic to good writing or something.


Regardless, Gambit wouldn't be alive today if wasn't for Rogue. That doesn't mean he's ***** whipped or pathetic. It means he's indebted.

She tried to kill him prior to X-Treme. By saving him, she made up for it. No debt.