Comics The Official GAMBIT Discussion thread

[Congo Jack]

The trouble with that is....

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...are they seriously trying to say that Remy was there when Logan had his big break out? Don't they realize that 616 time wise that's 20 years ago? I mean Logan had all that time with Alpha Flight and all that after he got out of the program. Too much time has passed, Remy is simply not that old. *sigh*

Remy is around 13 in WEAPON X: FIRST CLASS according to artist Tim Seeley.

And according to current WOLVERINE: ORIGINS scribe Daniel Way, Weapon X (with Wolverine) took place sometime between the mid-to late-fifties and the late sixties.

So, Gambit would be at most 66 and at least 52 for this to make sense...which doesn't make sense. Or is my math off?

EDIT: Yeah this is annoying so I'm going to try and work it out lol.

Here's the full quote from Daniel Way:

And yes, the Weapon X series of experiments conducted on Wolverine took place sometime between the mid- to late-fifties and the late sixties, “Marvel time.”

Perhaps he means it happened "between the mid- to late-fifties and the late sixties" in relation to Wolverine's first appearance (1974) - so it happened at most 19 years ago and at least 5 years ago. Which would make a lot more sense in relation to Gambit.

 

[squeekness]

Remy is around 13 in WEAPON X: FIRST CLASS according to artist Tim Seeley.

And according to current WOLVERINE: ORIGINS scribe Daniel Way, Weapon X (with Wolverine) took place sometime between the mid-to late-fifties and the late sixties.

So, Gambit would be at most 66 and at least 52 for this to make sense...which doesn't make sense. Or is my math off?

EDIT: Yeah this is annoying so I'm going to try and work it out lol.

Here's the full quote from Daniel Way:


Perhaps he means it happened "between the mid- to late-fifties and the late sixties" in relation to Wolverine's first appearance (1974) - so it happened at most 19 years ago and at least 5 years ago. Which would make a lot more sense in relation to Gambit.

No matter how anyone tries to fit it just doesn't work. They did this because Gambit is in the upcoming movie. I am not complaining THAT loudly because I'll buy anything with Gambit in it and lately that's been happening few and far between. All continuity hiccups aside, the short series has been quite good and I am glad I picked it up.

 

[Congo Jack]

No matter how anyone tries to fit it just doesn't work...All continuity hiccups aside, the short series has been quite good and I am glad I picked it up.

I'm not sure about it not working. My interest in this comes from purely wanting to know Marvel's current policy on when Weapon X happened.

The assesment that it happened somewhere between 1954 and 1970 (in relation to the year 2008) is flawed because Logan didn't spend almost 30 years living with the Hudsons (and alone in the woods) imediately before joining the X-Men. Weapon X has to be have happened so many years prior to him joining the X-Men and not a set year - I would have said about 10.

 

[squeekness]

Keep in mind Deadpool. When did he happen? He's older than Remy I would say and he still got run through the program. Gambit would have been more likely to have met Wade than Logan.

 

[moonstar]

The assesment that it happened somewhere between 1954 and 1970 (in relation to the year 2008) is flawed because Logan didn't spend almost 30 years living with the Hudsons (and alone in the woods) imediately before joining the X-Men. Weapon X has to be have happened so many years prior to him joining the X-Men and not a set year - I would have said about 10.[/QUOTE]

we know they have to get remy in there for the movie sake but what if this is connected to the external/traitor/trial of gambit idea that he can live for a very long time or that maybe he ages more slowly than others.....

no matter what hasnt it always been known Remy would out live most of the xmen?Well why cant it be possible he's older than it looks now? yeah right and Logan never happened to mention it because he couldn't remember it...
that'd would mean prof X has known about gambit for a long time now makes their current relationship possibly more ineresting....

 

[Canemacar]

Doesn't really matter, IMO. The Weapon X was just a slapped together cash-in. It wasn't even a full comic: just a 10 page back up story. I doubt it even ranks as cannon; it certainly isn't going to be acknowledged ever again.

 

[squeekness]

I don't see how it can be canon. The first back story with Professor X and Sabes maybe could have happened. The second back story was just Deadpool explaining who he himself is and how he got his name, it had nothing to do with Logan at all really. It's this third Gambit back story that has the biggest stretch and makes for a nice What If? but I can't consider it to be canon at all.

 

[Congo Jack]

No doubt Gambit's appearance is a cash-in to the movie. The only reason this is even become a discussion point for me is because I'd like to know when Marvel considers the WX project to have taken place.

I don't see how it can be canon. The first back story with Professor X and Sabes maybe could have happened. The second back story was just Deadpool explaining who he himself is and how he got his name, it had nothing to do with Logan at all really. It's this third Gambit back story that has the biggest stretch and makes for a nice What If? but I can't consider it to be canon at all.

The writer of the series has stated that it is canon, and that is Marvel's position on it. It's not that much of a stretch at all. Logan, after escaping the factory, lived as a wild man in the woods for a couple of years before he was taken in by James and Heather Hudson.

If Weapon X took place around 10 years before GIANT-SIZE X-MEN #1, that would explain the Gambit age discrepancy. Gambit = 23 at the time of GSXM#1 and a couple of years older during the Morlock Massacre and when the X-Men first encounter him.

The mid-50s/late 60s date only makes sense if Logan lived in the woods like an animal for over 25 years.

 

[squeekness]

I was under the impression that Gambit's marriage to Belladonna took place when he was barely 18 and he was exiled that night for killing her brother. The Massacre took place shortly after that when Gambit was Guild-less and on his own. That would still make him too young for this back story. Just my opinion.

 

[Congo Jack]

I was under the impression that Gambit's marriage to Belladonna took place when he was barely 18 and he was exiled that night for killing her brother. The Massacre took place shortly after that when Gambit was Guild-less and on his own. That would still make him too young for this back story. Just my opinion.

I'm much more familiar with Wolvie's backstory than Remy's. I've read all the Fabian Nicieza GAMBIT but it was a while ago. Some recalculation is required on my part then. Gambit = 13 as Logan escapes WX. Gambit = 18/19 as Mutant Masacre occurs.

...well that makes it really difficult to see how it fits. Guess it doesn't lol.

 

[squeekness]

Yeah, there were two Gambit minis that came out long before his first ongoing which is what you read. In the first one, his exile from the Guild is explained and fleshed out. The mini came out in 1994 and was the best of the pair tho I liked them both.

 

[Canemacar]

The writer of the series has stated that it is canon,

To be perfectly honest, I'm not certain the writer even knew who Gambit was before this assignment. I have no problem ignoring him and his story.

 

[Congo Jack]

To be perfectly honest, I'm not certain the writer even knew who Gambit was before this assignment. I have no problem ignoring him and his story.

Fine by me. I'm a big fan of "personal continuity".

 

[The Infernal]

I don't see how it can be canon. The first back story with Professor X and Sabes maybe could have happened. The second back story was just Deadpool explaining who he himself is and how he got his name, it had nothing to do with Logan at all really. It's this third Gambit back story that has the biggest stretch and makes for a nice What If? but I can't consider it to be canon at all.

That really disappointed me. I was hoping for a Wolverine story (it's his book, go figure.) with DP in it. Not a break from Wolverine. Plus it didn't really cover much of his time in Weapon X which I was hoping to see also.

Hopefully in the movie we will at least get some proper interaction between them and see how they and the rest of the team were together.

Although on a side note the favourite cameo of Wolverine in DP was just before he went to tackle Black Swann, DP prank called a bunch of people and asked Wolverine if he ever goes to the toilet with his claws popped.

 

[squeekness]

This one was mine. "Snickt me!"

 

[The Infernal]

lol, shoryuken. Brings back my childhood arcade memories.

 

[Canemacar]

I swaer to god I'm going to find the guy who invented the Hadoken spam, and rip their heads off.

 

[The Infernal]

I take it you've been playing SF2HD then?

 

[Dr Strange]

 

[squeekness]

I miss Gambit having an ongoing.

 

[Neptune]

I miss Gambit period. I mean good old Suave-cuning-scheming-dirty fighting-flirting-gambling-smoking-not giving a F Gambit.

 

[squeekness]

Maybe we'll get some of that in the upcoming Legacy issues... but I won't hold my breath.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Maybe we'll get some of that in the upcoming Legacy issues... but I won't hold my breath.

The only reason I started collecting Legacy was because I thought I would be getting to see Gambit.....

Now I feel like I'm being shafted.

 

[El Bastardo]

squeekster, that Deadpool page is lovely and priceless in all the best ways.

 

[squeekness]

LOL, isn't it? Deadpool is hilarious. How could you not love him?