The Official Green Lantern Review Thread

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Morningstar,

If I can see Thor and X-Men, I think I can see Green Lantern.

It's Captain America that I'm very, very sketchy on. Between the four, that's the one I'm just not getting all the positive vibe. I can't see it.
 
I addressed that. Superheroes are a far broader occupation than any other.
To the die-hard fans who follow them no matter what, they are. In movies...people generally aren't looking to do that.

Cowboys and soldiers are limited with their archetypes as well as their settings.
Again, apples to pears at worst. An old West or war fanatic would probably just as enthusiastically point out how deep and varied their favorite subjects are as well....and how much more potential there is to be tapped, and so on.

Compare Batman, to GL, to Spidey.
Wild Bill Hickock to Wyatt Earp, to Jesse James to Billy the Kid. All very different stories of very different individuals. George Patton, to Erwin Rommel, to McArthur to Montgomery....


One can be an urban crime thriller, the other an epic cosmic saga, the last a classic action/adventure escapism romp. The variances are undeniably more dynamic. If every other film sub-genre were primary colors, superhero films represent the entire color spectrum. It's why I tend to resent referring to these films as one singular genre in itself. The truth is they can all belong in separate categories, and it would be a far more accurate way of labeling them.
True, comics can span their own separate settings. But again, those are seen mostly as backdrops to the 'main attraction', which is the concept of a superhero....especially the costumed ones. Kind of the reverse-image of Westerns, where the setting is similar, but the figures are so varied...but to the same ultimate effect in terms of over-saturation. Audiences aren't really looking to be educated on the subtle and no-so-subtle differences...they're looking to be entertained for a while and then move on to something else.

I think what actually speaks better for the longevity of comic movies are the ones that you wouldn't necessarily know were based on comics/graphic novels if you weren't a comic fan.....like V for Vendetta or the like or other titles that don't have 'superheroes' like Batmamn or GL or Supes, etc.


It'll die down on its own. Every decade or so, a batch of similar films starts a boon in the industry which lasts a few good years. Rinse and repeat. Superheroes are here to stay, though. I'm sure there will be a point where we won't get 3 of 4 in the same season. But it won't die.
Superhero movies won't go away forever...but again, they are no more inherently immune to overexposure and the need for a break than any other movie genre. Because that's how movies are, regardless of what they're based on, and because most people don't go to see/investigate/follow the source/inspiration of the movie...they go to see the movie.

Anime-based movies might be the next 'wave', who knows?
 
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Rex Reed's pretty damning review in the New York Observer:

The Green Lantern Is A Blockbuster Bust

As summer garbage goes, The Green Lantern can’t go fast enough. Even in the brainless world of cinematic comic books gone bad, it’s as bad as it gets—a dumb, pointless, ugly, moronic and incomprehensible jumble of botched effects, technical blunders, and cluttered chaos. Oh yes. It is also—did I forget to mention?—boring.

I retain a certain fondness for Superman, Batman, Spider Man, and my favorite DC Comics superhero, Captain Marvel, who has mysteriously never been transposed to the screen. But of them all, the never-fail cure for insomnia, even for 10-year-olds who still buy Cracker Jack boxes searching for secret decoder rings, is the Green Lantern, deadlier and dopier than even the Green Hornet. Even to a hyperthyroidal, prepubescent geek, any attempt to relate something as simple as the premise for a plot must be downright defeating. Billions of years ago, a power race divided the universe into 3,000 sectors ruled by intergalactic peace keepers known as the Green Lantern Corps, who live on the planet Oa. The worst threat to the world was imprisoned on the Planet Ryut. This fiend is the Parallax, sort of an intergalactic Osama bin Laden who looks like a praying mantis with rabies. Parallax is now loose and declaring war on the planets, one sector at a time. Wouldn’t you know, this unspeakable enemy of mankind is headed for Earth, where the only person he can’t beat is supersonic F-35 Sabre jet pilot and gym-pumped Esquire cover boy Ryan Reynolds. It gets worse.

The dying Green Lantern warrior who comes to warn us hands over his green Buck Rogers ring to a goof-off with Coke bottle abs named Hal who points the ring at a target and—shazam!—there goes Afghanistan. Hal has competition (Peter Sarsgaard, trashing his career as a creepy wacko scientist, and Angela Bassett, whose specialty is examining purple aliens). He also has a sexy girlfriend (Blake Lively), the daughter of the demented aviation corporation owner (Tim Robbins) Hal works for. The Lanterns seek peace, order and justice. To join them is a big responsibility. Mr. Reynolds, as Hal, scarcely has the time to pull himself away from his bench presses long enough to bother. The dialogue consists mostly of lectures about brain-eating bacteria, and the locations are identified as stuff like “The Edge of the Milky Way Galaxy.” It took four writers who shall remain nameless to think up lines like “We must harness the power of our enemies and fight fear with fear!” Or this favorite exchange: “Why are you glowing?” “Why is your skin green?” “What in the hell is with that mask?” At the screening I attended, the critics were laughing so loud I missed a few bon mots, but you get the picture. The director is Martin Campbell, who doesn’t.

Humans aren’t the strongest species, or the smartest, but we’re worth saving. As a Lantern, Hal is a hit when he rubs the ring and turns the film’s primary color of lime Jell-O, but he’s also a flop because he has the one thing no Lantern is allowed to have: human terror! If you care, this seemingly interminable rubble of bad technology and computerized escapades is devoted to Hal’s dilemma. Can he overcome fear and save the film industry from bloated budgets and fiscal apocalypse? Surely it is time to save Ryan Reynolds from himself. Money says it all, but after he went to so much trouble a year ago to prove his acting prowess in Buried, the loafing and posing he does in The Green Lantern just seems like a lot of talent gone to seed. Even as a prime example of rotten summer silliness, this is a paralyzing experience.

http://www.observer.com/2011/06/the-green-lantern-is-a-blockbuster-bust/

Rex Reed, it must be said, is a bitter old queen (and I'm gay so I can say that) who is totally out of touch with modern movies, especially the sci-fi action blockbuster variety...he hated Inception, Batman Begins, all the Spider-Man movies, if it was a genre movie, he hated it or in some cases (Inception) obviously didn't get it. He is just short of Armond White when it comes to reviewers.
 
The basics of comic-books or the ones of film-making? Because all those Dutch angles were not that justified, even as an homage to the Adam West Batman series.
Anyway, X-M:Fc took some minor risks in mixing real life history, spy story and superhero lore and all things considered it worked quite well.
I am expecting Green Lantern to mix space opera, fun and superhero stuff and I hope it delivers. I don't want political subtexts but to see cool aliens.

Film making of course, it's not perfect and it's weaknesses are fairly evident but it's held together by good performances and some slight of hand directing.
 
There is plenty of places to go. There is still some great characters with great mythos' out there. Iron Fist for example, if done right could be very unique and compelling. Like a Wuxia superhero film. Or that Deadpool movie they're trying to do. Those kinda movies, unique ones that can be made with smaller budgets and that don't have to be cliche or appeal to broader demographics.

I think after next year the studios do need to scale back. They should try making superhero movies that don't have to appeal to massive demographics, that don't have to be cliched summer tent poles. More intimate, lower budget movies, kinda like the first couple of Blade flicks.

Smaller target demographics have been poisonous for comic book adaptations. Kick ass Scott Pilgram etc, there really is only a few characters that gel with the wider public, the rest are interchangeable.
 
Maybe we're making too much of this, though. Maybe GL simply isn't a very good movie, and the genre will keep marching on as long as good ones do come out.
 
To the die-hard fans who follow them no matter what, they are. In movies...people generally aren't looking to do that.

Again, apples to pears at worst. An old West or war fanatic would probably just as enthusiastically point out how deep and varied their favorite subjects are as well....and how much more potential there is to be tapped, and so on.

Wild Bill Hickock to Wyatt Earp, to Jesse James to Billy the Kid. All very different stories of very different individuals. George Patton, to Erwin Rommel, to McArthur to Montgomery....
I'm aware of their differences. I'm simply not convinced it's as wide as what the comics provide. It is apples to pears because as far as I can see they're not remotely operating on the same level of presentation. The fact that a large number of superhero stories can fit snugly under pre-existing genres, should illustrate how versatile these universes are.

True, comics can span their own separate settings. But again, those are seen mostly as backdrops to the 'main attraction', which is the concept of a superhero....especially the costumed ones.
Eh, that's brushing off a large contributory factor into how these stories are painted. GL's alien planets and Thor's mythical worlds are not mere backdrops. In many ways it alters how these characters interact with their own, as well as with their setting. You're not going to have the same story if it takes place in Gotham, versus Valhalla. If you're a good writer, anyway.

I think what actually speaks better for the longevity of comic movies are the ones that you wouldn't necessarily know were based on comics/graphic novels if you weren't a comic fan.....like V for Vendetta or the like or other titles that don't have 'superheroes' like Batmamn or GL or Supes, etc.
Only further serves my point that the books are more far-reaching than most people give them credit for.

Anime-based movies might be the next 'wave', who knows?
Hah, have you seen how the current projects in development are going? We'd be lucky to see a moderate hit within the next 5 years. :funny:
 
Maybe we're making too much of this, though. Maybe GL simply isn't a very good movie, and the genre will keep marching on as long as good ones do come out.

Take away the mark up of 3D on Thor and the returns aren't really as impressive.
 
jmc,

That's why I hate 3D. It skews everything. Not saying Thor doesn't deserve the box office it got.
 
I think I read somewhere that Thor and X-men FC sold roughly the same amount of tickets opening couple of weeks, so that's something to consider.
 
I see Lantern probably doing 350 million worldwide. I think it might soar on DVD/Blu Ray, depending on what the worldwide box office ends up being.

It's tracking right now between 50-60 million for opening weekend, which seems a little low. I just get the sense that it'll do 70 million opening weekend.
 
I see Lantern probably doing 350 million worldwide. I think it might soar on DVD/Blu Ray, depending on what the worldwide box office ends up being.

It's tracking right now between 50-60 million for opening weekend, which seems a little low. I just get the sense that it'll do 70 million opening weekend.

The scattered WW release could be affected with these reviews. 1 week is more than enough time for bad word to spread down here and other parts that don't get it for a while.
 
yeah I don't understand why they would delay it in some countries
 
I think I read somewhere that Thor and X-men FC sold roughly the same amount of tickets opening couple of weeks, so that's something to consider.

Probably is true. But Thor is heading towards $450M worldwide and FC less than $350M. Besides 3D ended up really hurting Pirates and Kung Fu Panda so there might be an argument that some people stayed away from Thor because of 3D.
 
Probably is true. But Thor is heading towards $450M worldwide and FC less than $350M. Besides 3D ended up really hurting Pirates and Kung Fu Panda so there might be an argument that some people stayed away from Thor because of 3D.

60% of it's revenue was from 3D, that's a lot.
yeah I don't understand why they would delay it in some countries

Lack of free 3D screens.
 
Take away the mark up of 3D on Thor and the returns aren't really as impressive.


I'd say if you did that Thor would likely go from a $450M WW ending finish to a $400M WW ending finish. Still a hit and sequel bound, in other words.
 
I'm aware of their differences. I'm simply not convinced it's as wide as what the comics provide. It is apples to pears because as far as I can see they're not remotely operating on the same level of presentation. The fact that a large number of superhero stories can fit snugly under pre-existing genres, should illustrate how versatile these universes are.
Just like you're not going to convince an old west or war fan that comics measure up to them. You're both looking through your own respective goggles in this case, because you're fans. But no movies made in these genres are seen by most moviegoers for the purposes of experiencing that fandom...fandom that creates the desire to see that breadth of variety or what have you. People aren't going to see that if they don't want to....and you can't force them to or convince them to by reiterating how much you, as a fan, see it.

Every endeavor has worlds of possibilities to those who are inherently enthusiastic about it.


Eh, that's brushing off a large contributory factor into how these stories are painted. GL's alien planets and Thor's mythical worlds are not mere backdrops. In many ways it alters how these characters interact with their own, as well as with their setting. You're not going to have the same story if it takes place in Gotham, versus Valhalla. If you're a good writer, anyway.
No, it's not brushing it off for its inherent qualities...but don't elevate it as if it's somehow able to transcend itself more than something else can, either. It is to a comic fan, of course. But so are sports to a sports fan. How many sports movies can you come out with per year, and for how long, until people have had enough of sports movies? There are a lot of sports fans in the world, too.

It's not a knock on any particular thing. But what you're saying is no less subjective than anything else that makes it into movies.


Only further serves my point that the books are more far-reaching than most people give them credit for.
Because again, you don't have a 'literature' genre in film. It's not as specific an art form/format as comics are, and they're not in serial/periodical circulation like comics and magazines are.

But if you want comics to be 'treated like books' are in movies....wait until comics are treated like books outside of movies first....however that may come about. Then we'll talk about the movies.


Hah, have you seen how the current projects in development are going? We'd be lucky to see a moderate hit within the next 5 years. :funny:
How long were the various started-then-stopped Superman projects in the works for before Spidey and X-men came about?

Wait, lemme guess....you can't compare anime to the depth and variety of comic such-and-such and whatever, right? ;)
 
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Too early to call this a dud yet?
 
Take away the mark up of 3D on Thor and the returns aren't really as impressive.

So...Thor got good reviews, and did moderately in the B.O.....therefore, GL which is getting rather poor reviews will.........?

Or are we only demystifying here? :oldrazz:
 
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