Sequels The Official "How YOU would do Spider-Man 4" thread

[Visionary]

Why even compare?

Because one is truly dark and gritty (The Crow) and one isn't (BB).

Well, maybe I am just conforming, but imo they are the best comic book films in that order.

Well, to me they're not...

...in that order.

 

[Visionary]

ballet dancers? I really think not, there are dark elements that have been adapted properly. The Lizard will most likley be like he was back in the 1960's and 1970's and I'm happy about that. There were sort of dark elements from Lizard stories, especially in the comic series "Spider-Man", which Todd Macfarlane did the art for. The first story was Torment and it had a dark aspect to it and some fo those aspects should and could work, but not all.

I bet you we get a light and fluffy version of The Lizard, so he won't scare the kids.

 

[Frodo]

I Like the idea of Kraven being brought to New York to catch the Lizard and Aunt May being sick ,though I wouldn't have her die. I'd have Peter and MJ's lives going in different directions with MJ being offered a movie role in a foreign film . They aren't together but they love each other and @ the end Peter would propose to her. I like the angle of Billy being a mirror Image of Peter in the first film and Peter being a sort of Big Brother figuare to him . I'd leave out the stacy's and focus on Peter, MJ, Connors, Billy, Aunt May.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

I bet you we get a light and fluffy version of The Lizard, so he won't scare the kids.

I doubt the Lizard will be light and fluffy, unless you thought Jurassic Park was not significantly darker than A Land Before Time. We should expect that the Lizard will be, at the very least, on a level similar to that of the velociraptors in Jurassic Park.

Now you're probably going to tear apart what I just said, because that's probably not dark enough for you. Though I think the presence of Kraven would actually make it a decent bit darker than that, I have no issue with a Spider-Man movie being on that level of darkness and suspense.

Now just out of curiosity, what DO you consider the best comic book films of all-time? You seem to be of the opinion that the only good movies are the ones that are "dark," so I'd like to see how that's reflected in what you DO like (which you so seldom speak of in any thread).

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I bet you we get a light and fluffy version of The Lizard, so he won't scare the kids.

He won't be light and fluffy, I mean just look at all the other Villians in the films. They are truly menacing.

 

[Superunknown]

Despite what some people said about the animated series on MTV from a few years back, I think was well written, directed and had a great flow to it and was in some ways, was better than the movies. Though it was loosely based on the 1st movie, I think i captured and actually had everything that the movies were lacking...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Despite what some people said about the animated series on MTV from a few years back, I think was well written, directed and had a great flow to it and was in some ways, was better than the movies. Though it was loosely based on the 1st movie, I think i captured and actually had everything that the movies were lacking...

IMO, it was very bad and the films are a 100 times better than that show. It was so boring and unSpider-Man like, IMO. I just didn't feel the Spidey I know and love in that show.

 

[Visionary]

I doubt the Lizard will be light and fluffy, unless you thought Jurassic Park was not significantly darker than A Land Before Time. We should expect that the Lizard will be, at the very least, on a level similar to that of the velociraptors in Jurassic Park.

Now you're probably going to tear apart what I just said, because that's probably not dark enough for you. Though I think the presence of Kraven would actually make it a decent bit darker than that, I have no issue with a Spider-Man movie being on that level of darkness and suspense.

Now just out of curiosity, what DO you consider the best comic book films of all-time? You seem to be of the opinion that the only good movies are the ones that are "dark," so I'd like to see how that's reflected in what you DO like (which you so seldom speak of in any thread).

The Crow owns every comic book film ever made. I also like V for Vendetta, Road To Perdition is good too, it's how most comic book films with non-powered characters should be handled. As for comic book-like movies, The Matrix and Terminator 2, still hasn't been touched by the icon comic book films to date. Ironically and a damn shame, because the Wachowski Bros./Cameron get most of their stuff from comic books.

I see where you're going with the Jurassic Park motif. Here's my problem with Jurassic Park, for the most part it's too cutesy. Not by means of the dinosaurs, but by the characters that surrounds them. I loved the dinos and hated all the humans in that flick. The humans are too quirky and fun, to be on a patch of arable land that's filled with huge ass dinosaurs, with not even a hand-gun...and they even brought the kids along (great parents). The kids feeding the dino was a WTF moment for me. I'd be scared pissless if I was on an island with dinosaurs, hell, or even komodo dragons. It's just not the intensity that I want for The Lizard. Speaking of komodo dragons, these are the giant lizards that I want Sony to use, to create the face, skin graphs and movements of The Lizard.

Now, if they really want to capture THE LIZARD in great light on screen. They need to study THE PREDATOR movie, and both Ridley Scott's ALIEN and James Cameron's ALIENS films. And I mean study them, these directors know when and when not to show their creature on screen, they know how to tease you with them, as well. They have the intensity to make the audience feel what the humans are feeling in a frightening way--and make them put themselves in the character's place of fear. They also know how to get realistic reactions from their actors, when they are face to face with certain death. These creatures kill, they show you them killing to let the audience know...you don't want to be hunted or attacked by these things, period.

 

[Immortalfire]

Merging...

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I'd echo the use of Lizard and Kraven, definitely.

What I would do is set it at Christmas time, just for something different. The last three movies were so generically seasoned; they could've taken place at any time of the year.

I think the Christmas setting would work well with Lizard's story, and the Connors family. I also think there's a possibility for great setpieces.

I would utilize a lot more familiar NY locations - maybe a Lizard/ Kraven/Spidey chase scene through Central Park.

I think it would also be cool to have a major setpiece (maybe towards the beginning of the movie, to pace it out through the season) during the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. I don't know how you would pull something like this off, but it would be awesome if it could be done.

Also, utilizing Rockefeller Center - the Tree and the skating rink, maybe in a final showdown.

 

[Blader5489]

^Those are some great ideas. It's the little things like those that can keep a franchise into its fourth installment still feel fresh and new.

 

[Grinning-smile]

I totally think the lizard is a good idea for the next film, kraven too, there's a personal involvement with peter stopping kraven from killing the lizard because under the reptilian skin he's just good ol doc connors, so pete would want to help him without killing him, throw in the fact that kraven would probably be hunting spiderman too and that's the basis for a good film, flesh it out with some personal issues for peter, not with mj this time, but probably with aunt may, bring her into it a bit more, then my friends you got a character driven but fun to watch spiderman 4

 

[Visionary]

I'd echo the use of Lizard and Kraven, definitely.

What I would do is set it at Christmas time, just for something different.

Christmas time, absolutely not, it could get too cutesy and sentimental, with presents and bullsh:t Christmas music. During the winter, yes, that would be great for a different season. Just leave Christmas out of it, this ain't Home Alone.

The last three movies were so generically seasoned; they could've taken place at any time of the year.

Most big movies are shot during the summer, but I seem to remember a turkey being carved in SM1. So a winter scene would be nice.

 

[thejon93]

Villain(s):
The Lizard; Dylan Baker - Major
Shocker; Javier Bardem - Minor

Story:
Peter Parker(Maguire) a.k.a. Spider-Man struggles to protect his identity from those around him and slowly begins to realize that sooner or later, everyone is going to know who he really is. In 'Spider-Man 4', Spider-Man battles a ruthless foe named Herman Schultz(Bardem) who appears to be nothing more than a petty theif through Spider-Man's eyes but he soon discovers he poises a great threat thanks to his new weapon; two gauntlets that shoot concentrated vibrations all at his control. But, Spider-Man's alter-ego must deal with tragity all around him with the death of Dr. Connor's wife Martha, Dr. Connors(Baker) begins to turn frustrated by this and the fact that his son has been diagnosed with the same type of cancer as his mother. Dr. Connors blames it all on himself and risks his life to find a cure but after finding one that re-grows his lost limb, Dr. Connors slowly begins transforming into The Lizard; a deadly foe who carries no heart and shows no mercy to his prey. Spider-Man must defeat this new found foe before he does anything else to harm the citizens of Manhattan.

Teaser Trailer:
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(BLACK SCREEN)Uncle Ben... he taught me that under any circumstances...(Spider-Man lied on the storage system as it rained on him, he took off his mask and his face was pale white with blood pouring out of his mouth) anyone can stand before the people and give them hope...(Spider-Man stands up on roof of his apartment with the moon shining behind him, he then leapt off the building) give them a chance to make the best of the lives they live. Uncle Ben taught me that... one man can make a difference, for better...(Spider-Man web-slinging towards bank caught on fire) or worse(Peter stood up all the way and Dr. Connors had been completely transformed in The Lizard) - Peter
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Check out my 'Spider-Man 4' script below my signature for more.

 

[Blader5489]

Christmas time, absolutely not, it could get too cutesy and sentimental, with presents and bullsh:t Christmas music. During the winter, yes, that would be great for a different season. Just leave Christmas out of it, this ain't Home Alone.

You are one bitter individual.

 

[Venom 1988]

I agree with Vis, I rather not have a movie be set around Christmas. However I am not opposed to a movie set in the Winter (with not set date). After all it can snow crazy in New York. Hell one time I was over there in July and it snowed for a day.

 

[Visionary]

You are one bitter individual.

Why would you say that? I'm a gentle and kind soul, full of love, caring and sharing. In fact, I'm about to make some JELL-O right now, please, name your flavor.

I agree with Vis, I rather not have a movie be set around Christmas. However I am not opposed to a movie set in the Winter.

Yeah, a Winter New York scenery would be great. Especially with The Lizard, the cold climate could be a good reasons why he goes underground down into the sewers.

 

[MrSmith1114]

I do like the idea of having it set in Winter, and I don't think having it set around Christmas would be the worst idea. Though, if they're planning to release it in the summer, which I'm sure they are, then the whole Christmas setting doesn't actually work that well.

 

[thejon93]

I do like the idea of having it set in Winter, and I don't think having it set around Christmas would be the worst idea. Though, if they're planning to release it in the summer, which I'm sure they are, then the whole Christmas setting doesn't actually work that well.

I think the problem about a Winter setting would be the Spider-Man costume itself because it would be very uncomfortable for Maguire or any kind of stuntman.

 

[MrSmith1114]

I think the problem about a Winter setting would be the Spider-Man costume itself because it would be very uncomfortable for Maguire or any kind of stuntman.

You mean because it's too cold? Because surely most of it could probably be filmed in a studio. When they have to go outside though, then yes, that could be a problem.

 

[TheFuture]

You are one bitter individual.

He's all knowing

 

[DACrowe]

How YOU would do Spider-Man 4

I'd ignore what all the fans on the internet say they want, because they have no idea what they want.

 

[thejon93]

I'd ignore what all the fans on the internet say they want, because they have no idea what they want.

Good point there, DACrowe. I don't think anyone knows what they want, they'll just have to wait and see what comes of Spider-Man 4.

 

[Hectorminator]

I know exactly what I want:

Sam Raimi directing.

Someone else writing.

Tobey and everyone else returning.

The Lizard in the beginning, turning back to Conners early on to become Peter's confidant and to help Aunt May because she's sick.

Adrian Toomes sabotages Conner's experiment when they were competing for a grant, becomes the Vulture after he kills the dean who fires him for Conner's disappearance (he was suspected, never any proof), then Toomes just starts robbing banks.

Kraven shows up in New York on Jonah's dime, claims he will capture the Lizard, gets humiliated by Spidey, turns his attention on him, after one more failure he plans his greatest hunt, then drugs and buries Spidey alive. He goes out and captures the Vulture (one thing Spidey couldn't do) to prove he is superior.

Spidey breaks out and almost kills Kraven (having to subdue the animal within his own self) but has to chase after the Vulture who Kraven let go, and he saves a kidnapped J. Jonah Jameson after Vulture almost kills him claiming that his paper revealing that Vulture was Toomes ruined his career.

Spidey breaks up with MJ in the beginning, later goes out with Gwen, but still has strong feelings for MJ.

The Twist at the end: Kraven is about to shoot himself, and you hear a gunshot from his mansion window as Spidey webs away to save Jonah. But when you come back to Kraven, he was shooting at something else in the shadows: Norman Osborn comes back from the "dead", really from hiding out in Europe since his "death" and planning a bunch of crap to destroy Spider-Man. Osborn offers Kraven more of the performance enhancers he got in Africa ("witch doctor potions" that Osborn based his own enhancers on) and tells him he has a plan. (Sinister Six)

THAT is exactly what I want.

 

[Visionary]

You have THREE villains, who all require origins, you sure you want that?

I think TWO villains, which is their plan, is enough.