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So you're saying because he hasn't been with tons of women, that's justification to break up the marriage after it's been widely accepted? Hey Superman's only memorable girlfriends were Lana and Lois. Let's kill her off for no other reason than to make Superman a male prostitute.

I forgot to respond to this in my previous post.

No. That's not even remotely what I was saying. I don't even understand how you could glean this from my post. I was only stating the fact that over Spidey's near 50 years he hasn't had a relationship that was remotely interesintg aside from Betty, Gwen, MJ and Black Cat even though that one gets an asterisk. I'd have been fine with Peter having only one relationship (GWEN) f it had been handled properly.

Every other relationship, including everyone post-OMD has been not only boring but often idiotic.. The easist thing in the world is to write "The Chase" in a fictional relationship. But these guys can't even get that right.

I'm not per se against the marriage. I just think that like most evrything else, it was poorly handled. It was thrown together as a gimmick only because Stan decided to marry Peter and MJ in the news strip. It was made into a superficial farce by making MJ a Supermodel. No interesting challenges created because these two individuals were together. Only the skin-deep hostage. parenthood and jealousy stuff.
 
So what actually happens in the issue? I'm curious, but I wont buy it.
 
One of the goons from the Electro battle is freed by a Mephisto-colored pigeon hitting the locks on the cop car he's in. He later goes on a rampage that Spidey has to stop, resulting in his getting clocked in the head with a brick and then having the fat bastard fall right on top of him when they fall off a rooftop. That causes him to miss his wedding.
 
One of the goons from the Electro battle is freed by a Mephisto-colored pigeon hitting the locks on the cop car he's in. He later goes on a rampage that Spidey has to stop, resulting in his getting clocked in the head with a brick and then having the fat bastard fall right on top of him when they fall off a rooftop. That causes him to miss his wedding.

C'mon, admit it. Even your summary was funny. This story is gonna be a classic. I'm so glad they pudged Eddie up. It gives it that extra little bit of absurdity...
 
I got my shipment today and got around to reading # 638 this afternoon.

I was really surprised to see that they put the actual panels of the Annual in here. I thought that it was a nice little touch there, and then they elaborated on some of the scenes with the Paolo Rivera artwork. I really liked his artwork in this. I just wish that there was a little more emphasis on his art in this. At least I hope with the next three parts we get more of his work.

I was really taken back by the fact that they addressed what MJ whispered in Mephisto's ear right off the bat. I don't know if I really thought all this time we waited that what she said really wasn't worth the wait, but it was finally nice to have a concrete answer as to what she said.

Honestly, seeing those panels from the original Annual # 21 I had really forgotten how much Peter and Mary Jane were having cold feet with one another. The scene with Peter looking at Gwen's picture and the whole scene with Flash and Harry. Anybody else notice the flub that was made in the original # 21 issue where Flash was originally in a sling in the Coffee Bean then when they left together he didn't have it on? I was glad that when they switched over to the Rivera artwork they DID have him in the sling. Heh.

I've just known that many people seemed upset with this already. In my honest opinion, so far, it's really not that bad. I've wanted this answer for a while. What she whispered we got. The events that led to Peter not making it to the wedding. I mean it was kind of a neat little story with this Eddie guy who was a part of Electro's gang. From the reactions that I've just seen it seemed like this was one of the most horrible comics in the world and, to me, I just didn't see it.

I'm very interested in seeing how the next three parts are going to go and what further answers we are going to get. So far they have stayed pretty close with continuity. I'm interested to see what else Quesada will throw in to kind of tighten back up the continuity. According to the statement from Wacker in the letters page we will see how the unmasking thing got swept under the rug, so that will be cool. That's the other big thing. The other stuff I'm hoping are some of the adventures that he was on with the marriage heavily involved with the story. Like Kraven's Last Hunt, which happened directly out of the Annual pretty much. I'd also like them to kind of go into more about how Harry is still around. I know that they touched upon it a bit early on in Brand New Day but they really hadn't gone too in depth.

In conclusion, this wasn't too bad. I mean I went in with very low expectations, haha, so just from that it was pretty good. As it goes with continuity I thought it was cool. However, some of that Quesada artwork was a little sketchy. I would have rather of just had Rivera do that part too. His work really helped make it an extra boost. Compared to Grim Hunt, it wasn't as good, however, but it surprised the hell out of me. If the other three parts can hold up like this issue I will have faith. Maybe Quesada can not totally screw up every Spider-man story he has a heavy hand in, haha. :woot:
 
So far they have stayed pretty close with continuity.

Problem is, they already messed up continuity from OMD, imo.

What MJ whispered does not make any sense. In OMD, she said "Because of what I can offer you" to Mephisto. He's asks what that could be...?

Then she whispers "Leave Pete alone forever"...?

Um, no. That makes no sense. Just another way for JQ to fit a square peg in a round hole.

:down Piss poor job.
 
I was mainly talking about the continuity with Amazing Spider-Man Annual # 21 and the added parts from the deal with Mephisto. I thought that was done well. When it comes to One More Day, I really don't give a crap. I just want to get through this and get some more concrete answers on how the single Peter Parker universe is structured. Then we can get to Origin of the Species, which is written by Mark Waid...who I have way more faith in. Then after that we get to a twice a month format with Dan Slott as the main writer. Which is something I am ALL FOR.
 
I think we have yet to see what MJ has to offer...
 
She has red hair. And Mephisto is all red... Maybe that has something to do with it.
 
Well, what happened?
Where was last weeks issue?
Why was it delayed?
I just want this done and over with so i can read it....
 
All right, here's what I thought about this week's issue of Amazing Spider-Man, #639 and part 2 of One Moment in Time:

* One benefit part two has going for it (although it still suffers from Joe Quesada's inconsistent art style) is that we get a lot more of Paolo Rivera's wonderful art depicting the "flashback sequences and less filler (well, we still get some of that, what with Quesada once again cutting and pasting scenes from One More Day, and one panel from Civil War #2 showing Peter unmasking and another from issue #538, I believe, where Aunt May gets shot). Again, as last time, it's elegant and detailed without being excessively so, and Rivera also effectively captures the characters expressions and makes terrific usage of light and shadow. If anything, he's proving just what a terrific artist he really is.

*Also, for a brief moment, Quesada's script actually begins to show some promise. After getting through the over-the-top hysterical melodrama of Peter frantically swinging around the city screaming for Mary Jane like Christopher Daniel Barnes from the 1990s Spider-Man cartoon (and seriously, all this time, Peter NEVER told MJ the circumstances behind how he missed their wedding? And she NEVER asked him about it, either?), we get a rather very heartbreaking and heartwarming character arc for Mary Jane. Her embarrassment, anger, and misery over being not only being stood up on her wedding day but also that, once again, "Spider-Man" between her and Peter feels very real. The scene where she walks out on Peter because he refused to give up being Spider-Man is appropriately gut-wrenching. And her talk with Aunt Anna, intercept with scenes of MJ trying to cope with her pain and anger and regret over Peter, is, quite possibly, the best scene in the entire comic. It also leads up to another wonderful moment where MJ, realizing how unfair and wrong she was to essentially demand Peter give up being what he is, tearfully apologizes to Peter at the door of his apartment--which I couldn't help be reminded of the time Peter and MJ first met back in issue #42. It shows that Quesada CAN write very powerful, character-driven drama.

*And then it all goes belly-up when MJ tells Peter that, as long as they are a couple, they never have kids and thus never get married.

If I read this issue correctly, according to the new continuity, MJ was still in love with Peter, still wanted to live with him and wanted to bear his children — which apparently was one of the main reasons why she wanted to get married in the first place. But, because she was "jilted" by Peter at the altar as a result of his being "Spider-Man" last issue and doesn't want to go through that pain again, and because it would be unfair for their hypothetical child to grow up in such an environment--which she just got through telling Peter was wrong of her to ever demand him to ever stop being Spider-Man, mind you--MJ refused to marry him. Nevertheless, she still wanted to be with him forever because she loved him so much, just so long as he didn't accidentally knock her up. Because that would mean she would have to marry him and then she would wind up getting "jilted" at the altar again because of him being "Spider-Man." And since having kids is out of the question, there's no reason for the two of them to get married so long as they love each other anyway--because apparently, according to MJ's logic, people only get married to have kids.

This also means she apparently never got pregnant the entire time her and Peter were together. And since that was key in "determining" whether Peter or Ben was clone, this means the entire "Clone Saga" and the repercussions from that is now officially even more out-of-whack than it already was.

Oh, and she also equates Peter being Spider-Man analogous to her growing up with her abusive father or having a loaded gun in the house because, despite him "saving lives," its "the people who ultimately pay the price are the people who love [Peter] the most." As if Spidey saving lives was anywhere close to being the same thing. I guess, according to this logic, cops, firefighters, soldiers, paramedics--hell, anyone who helps people for a living--shouldn't get married, let alone have kids. And I guess people who are incapable of having kids shouldn't get married, either, since that's the only reason to get married according to MJ's logic. And while I don't necessarily condone this, did it never occur to Peter or MJ that him getting vasectomy might have been a somewhat effective "solution?" Why even continue having sex since the chance of MJ getting pregnant would only INCREASE as a result? Heck, Peter might as well not get romantically involved with ANY woman and take a lifelong vow of celibacy based on what's being suggested here.

Is your head exploding like that poor guy from Scanners, yet? If not, just wait...

*Aside from finding out that Peter revealing his identity to the entire world is what ultimately lead them to Peter and MJ splitting up, we also learn that, because Peter and MJ never made the deal with Mephisto (although, they still must have because otherwise how would Mephisto have magically let Electro's fat slob of stooge out of the cop car which lead to Peter and MJ not getting married?), Aunt May was saved after she flatlined...by Peter performing CPR on her.

Um...okay...I guess this means:

1. It didn't matter whether or not Peter and MJ would have made the deal or not, because since Peter was "destined" to save his Aunt after returning to the hospital after seeing Dr. Strange. Thus underscoring that Mephsito is a colossal d***.

2. As other reviews elsewhere have pointed out, Aunt May must have an adamantium-laced skeleton like Wolverine in order for her not being crushed by Peter's spider-strength powered chest compressions.

3. Just by the mere fact Peter saved Aunt May through mere CPR--despite One More Day stressing over and over again that no medical science or magic could save her from dying from a gunshot wound--it pretty much invalidates the entire reason why "One More Day" had to take place.

4. It's magic!

Brain exploding in three...two...one...BOOM!

*Seriously, while the questions that resulted from One More Day needed to be addressed, One Moment in Time at the half-way point is proving that, given the amount of narrative contortions Marvel had to make in order to make the new continuity square up with the old, it would have been better for all involved if they had just left the marriage well enough alone. While it certainly isn't as ridiculous as Peter missing his wedding as a result of getting hit by a cinder block he could have easily dodged and then being knocked unconscious from a fat guy falling on him, the idea that Peter and MJ stayed together but didn't get married because they realized they shouldn't have kids, and that Peter reviving Aunt May through spider-strength induced CPR is just as bad. Hopefully how his secret identity gets restored (which I'm guessing will be Madame Web) will be better, at least.

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Well, I agree with MJ's logic. To her, and a lot of others, marriage is just a piece of paper. Almost contradictory, but not quite, she feels that having a child out of wedlock is not appropriate.
I actually am enjoying the flashback parts of the wedding. I think JQ actually wrote some pretty good scenes of MJ mad at Peter and storming out, and then when they get back together.
Really the only weak moments of this story so far are the association it has to OMD, and Peter saving Aunt May was ridiculous. I suppose sometimes there are unexpected miracles in the medical field, but what would Peter's super powers do to make the CPR more effective than a regular doctors'? Wouldn't his powers do more damage to her health?
This leads me to the conclusion that what really saved Aunt May was love. Love is all he needed.
 
Part 2 was a lot better than part 1 ... in my opinion...
 
Well, I agree with MJ's logic. To her, and a lot of others, marriage is just a piece of paper. Almost contradictory, but not quite, she feels that having a child out of wedlock is not appropriate.

The thing is, though, what MJ is saying is not nearly as "progressive" as the script tries to make it out to be. Because the impression it gives is that the only legitimate reason to get married is to produce "legitimate" offspring, which is not only a lot more antiquated viewpoint than getting married because you love someone, want to fully commit to that person, and want to spend the rest of your life with them supposedly is (much less having that rather questionable implication that a woman would only want to marry someone solely so she can have kids) but actually a very BAD reason to get married solely just that reason. At least, that's how I read it.

I actually am enjoying the flashback parts of the wedding. I think JQ actually wrote some pretty good scenes of MJ mad at Peter and storming out, and then when they get back together.

Yeah, I did like MJ's character arc in this part...until it got to her explaining why she didn't want to marry Peter, that is.

Really the only weak moments of this story so far are the association it has to OMD, and Peter saving Aunt May was ridiculous. I suppose sometimes there are unexpected miracles in the medical field, but what would Peter's super powers do to make the CPR more effective than a regular doctors'? Wouldn't his powers do more damage to her health?
This leads me to the conclusion that what really saved Aunt May was love. Love is all he needed.

Well, considering how this issue implies that Peter had the power to save his Aunt May all along, it also not only makes Peter and MJ's deal with Mephisto unnecessary (but hey, that's a demon for you) it also undermines the entire reason for One More Day itself.
 
Problem is, they already messed up continuity from OMD, imo.

What MJ whispered does not make any sense. In OMD, she said "Because of what I can offer you" to Mephisto. He's asks what that could be...?

Then she whispers "Leave Pete alone forever"...?

Um, no. That makes no sense. Just another way for JQ to fit a square peg in a round hole.

:down Piss poor job.

Aloha,
I have to agree with you on that one:huh:
Spidey rules
 
... the impression it gives is that the only legitimate reason to get married is to produce "legitimate" offspring...

You make it sound like comics are supposed to have some message to it's readers. I don't get that impression from the issue at all.

Yeah, I did like MJ's character arc in this part...until it got to her explaining why she didn't want to marry Peter, that is.

The main thing to take away from the issue is that MJ still wants to be with Peter. She just doesn't want Spider-Man interrupting her dreams of family life. MJ is actually the one sacrificing the most here, doomed to be second in Peter's life.

Well, considering how this issue implies that Peter had the power to save his Aunt May all along, it also not only makes Peter and MJ's deal with Mephisto unnecessary (but hey, that's a demon for you) it also undermines the entire reason for One More Day itself.

Yeah, I agree with you there.
 
Wow, Quesada has done it. He made Amazing Spider-man the worst comic book I'd ever read and made it EVEN WORSE.

I don't care what anyone says, the Peter Parker I read for years is NOT the same guy in the book now. I've read a few and he has nothing in common with the old Peter. The new guy is a chode.

Seriously, the ravaged and old Spider-man annual and put it in this lousy new book. Is nothing sacred?
 
I didn't take the ending as Pete saving her with Spider-powered CPR. I looked at it more like in the movie The Abyss where Ed Harris won't give up.

And I actually liked the fact that Mephisto made it all unecessary. In other words, Pete could have done nothing, and everything would have turned out ok. Isn't that what the devil is supposed to do? It has that Chicken-and-the-egg aspect that I like.

Overall, I liked pt2 much more than pt1, take that as you will.
 
I liked Part 2. Ok the story isn't perfect, but it is working pretty well. Yes it messes up the history but at the same time it opens it to a whole new "pick and choose" idea(which lets be honest after nearly 50 years of one story is cool to keep things interesting).

And these people that get so stressed and say "THAT'S NOT MY PETER!" YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S NOT! But how consistant is a character going to stay after so many years? Truth be told, he isnt anything like he was when he started, but so many writers have added to him and changed him over the years. Thats just the way it goes.

I think the super lovers of the early years should just stick to their back issues and leave the new stuff alone. And the people like myself(and others that I have seen on here) that are more than happy to see the changes, can enjoy it in peace.

I love this "Quesada is RUINING everything" thing. Its not ****ing shakespere people. Its a comic book, a great one sure, but still a comic book. Its unrealistic, it doesnt make sense but its fun to read and very difficult to keep original and interesting.
 
Ironically, I'm finding MJ to be me more in character than ever (the one that was originally introduced). She's not who we've seen the last 15-20 years, but I never really liked that character. She never really did anything. I know some people will say that she grew as a character, but I don't really buy it. To me, almost overnight, she went form being "party girl trying to forget her past" to "I'm here to kiss your boo-boos."

I think I'm going to like this MJ more.
 
Ironically, I'm finding MJ to be me more in character than ever (the one that was originally introduced). She's not who we've seen the last 15-20 years, but I never really liked that character. She never really did anything. I know some people will say that she grew as a character, but I don't really buy it. To me, almost overnight, she went form being "party girl trying to forget her past" to "I'm here to kiss your boo-boos."

I think I'm going to like this MJ more.


Totally agree!!! The most interesting thing she did in the last 20 years was take up smoking(for 5 minutes).
 
Totally agree!!! The most interesting thing she did in the last 20 years was take up smoking(for 5 minutes).

Yeah, I know. Then the storyline where Nick Katzenberg got lung cancer and it caused her to quit.
 
This issue reminded me, once again, of why I thought the marriage was such contrived horse-drivel to begin with. The specter of Spider-Man ought to have kept them apart in the first place. And MJ was about the worst choice of a character to marry Pete. I can even understand the whole "kids" thing. I have a friend in the NYPD whose girlfriend refuses to marry him because he won't give up the force. She wants kids, but doesn't want to bring them into a situation where she's unsure whether their father will come home from work. Couple that with the "if we uncover your identity, we will kill your family" and MJ's reasoning is pretty solid. I still would have preferred Marvel kill off MJ than the magic thingy tho.
 
The main thing to take away from the issue is that MJ still wants to be with Peter. She just doesn't want Spider-Man interrupting her dreams of family life. MJ is actually the one sacrificing the most here, doomed to be second in Peter's life.

I understand. And like I implied in my take on this issue, one of the positive aspects about this story was MJ
coming to the realization of how unfair, selfish, and wrong it is of her to demand that Peter must give up being Spider-Man for them to be together, comparing this to, as she said, "like asking me to stop loving you." It just underscores not only how deep their love for each other actually is, but that these two do need each other. I would even argue that the framing device of this story--Peter and MJ's conversation in his apartment during the present--also indicates this. After all, just the fact that MJ wants to remain friends with Peter and wants to still be part of his life despite being his ex and thinking they can't be a couple anymore suggests there is some of that love and need which still remains. I just didn't exactly buy the rationale behind why she wouldn't marry Peter.
 
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stillanerd, again we are in complete agreement!



This issue reminded me, once again, of why I thought the marriage was such contrived horse-drivel to begin with. The specter of Spider-Man ought to have kept them apart in the first place. And MJ was about the worst choice of a character to marry Pete. I can even understand the whole "kids" thing. I have a friend in the NYPD whose girlfriend refuses to marry him because he won't give up the force. She wants kids, but doesn't want to bring them into a situation where she's unsure whether their father will come home from work. Couple that with the "if we uncover your identity, we will kill your family" and MJ's reasoning is pretty solid. I still would have preferred Marvel kill off MJ than the magic thingy tho.


Meehaul, we have been over this so many times before, so I won't get into it again. Your view of Spider-Man is he should never have developed beyond the Ditko years. MJ wasn't even a real character yet back then. You seem to view MJ as the bubble headed shallow party girl first introduced in ASM #42 & 43 and she is frozen in time.

What this issue reminded me is what a total waste of time coming up with convoluted plot & timeline that was not needed and only served to divide the fanbase.
 

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