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I thought the story was okay, but it still just feels like a big load of bullsh... since I know it's not really how it got changed. ;)

The entire time I'm reading it, I'm just thinking "okay, so this is how Peter THINKS it happened." I still know that Peter made a deal with Satan.

I just expect they'll continue to take Peter down the road of being a "modern" character...i.e., one night stands, girlfriends now and then, etc, etc. and this story gives them validation to do so.

Hopefully Marvel proves me wrong. I want classic, responsible, role model Peter back. The Spider-Man side of the stories have been awesome to me.
 
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A lot of people complain about the timing of the explanations, but what they forget is it came out NOW because it took them THIS LONG to figure out a way to make their crap plausible, such as it were.

Overall, the story pretty much solidifies every opinion I've had on the book since BND. The feel is gone. The characterization is gone. Yes, we got new supporting characters and villains, and I'm sure I would've loved them had they not appeared during THIS time. Case in point, Jackpot debuted before, and I've been digging her character for the most part.

No matter how you slice it, or how you try to justify it, the last 3 years boils down to one, immutable fact: these professional writers could not figure out how to make things work WITH the marriage (which has been done in other books over the years, ie Spider-Girl), so they did a "quick fix" solution that was even MORE contrived and further drove the character from where they CLAIMED they wanted him.

I will check out Slott's first solo issue as I am a fan of his, but I will happily never pick up this title again for the foreseeable future and never feel like I'm missing something. If I have questions, I'll wiki it. I will continue to buy backissues to fill in my Spidey runs back when I enjoyed the book, and I will continue to fulfill my completionist side by buying these issues in discount bins at cons. That is the extent of my Spidey reading.
 
No matter how you slice it, or how you try to justify it, the last 3 years boils down to one, immutable fact: these professional writers could not figure out how to make things work WITH the marriage (which has been done in other books over the years), so they did a "quick fix" solution that was even MORE contrived and further drove the character from where they CLAIMED they wanted him.

I still recommend people watch the TV series "Burn Notice" and consider the Michael/Madeline (Main character/his mom) dynamic in comparison to Pete/MJ.

The series starts with her kept in the dark, never really knowing what's going on, evolves to her having an idea and always worrying, to finally not only understanding but frequently contributing to help.

MJ was never allowed to develop that way. /shrug

Like I said, I'm enjoying the book on the Spider-Man side of things, but not liking Peter as much anymore.

But I know in a few years, they'll get Pete/MJ together when someone ELSE decides to change the change of the change either putting the marriage back in place or renewing the relationship they've finalized as "will never happen again" with OMIT (Is it ironic that One Moment In Time is OMIT as in omitted or was that intentional?) and I'll wind up wanting the back issues...

So I keep buying to maintain my collection's continuous run. -_-
 
Burn Notice is a great show. I came for Bruce, I stayed 'cause I loved it.

And you're 100% right. And when the next editorial mandated reversal comes around, I'll MAYBE start buying new again.
 
At long last, the final part of One Moment it Time, the sequel no one really demanded is here. So, what I think about this issue? Read on and see...

Once again, Paolo Rivera’s art comes across very well here, especially the scenes in which Dr. Strange begins to cast the spell to remove the knowledge of Peter’s secret identity as Spider-Man from the world. And again, Joe Quesada’s art in Peter and MJ’s conversation, while well colored, are the definition of inconsistent when it comes to Peter and MJ’s body types. Also, Quesada once again decided to cut and past panels from another issue, this time Amazing Spider-Man #545, the last part of One More Day. However, unlike what he did with the Wedding Annual from part 1, he rewrote the dialogue in those panels. Interestingly enough, sometimes it actually fits and other times it doesn’t match what’s on panel at all. And it still comes across as being lazy.

As for the plot of this issue? It moves at a absolute crawl. That’s because the first part of this issue is basically nothing but Dr. Strange trying to get permission from Reed Richards and Tony Stark to create the psychic blindspot that will make everyone forget Peter is Spider-Man, intersected with Peter trying to reassure the unconscious MJ that he‘ll make everything better because she‘ll forget he‘s Spider-Man.
This goes on for an agonizing 11 pages. It’s even worse once we get to the reprinted pages from One More Day with new dialogue between Peter and MJ, which goes on for 15 pages! Seriously, the only “action” that happens in this story is when Peter gets into the protective bubble Strange casts to shield Peter from the memory wipe and him temporarily leaving it at the last moment to carry MJ into the bubble as well. Virtually this entire issue is nothing but debating ad nauseum over whether or not Strange, Reed, and Tony should allow for the world to forget Peter is Spider-Man, Reed and Strange trying to convince Tony to use his Extremis virus as part of Strange‘s spell, Peter and MJ debating whether or not he should have let her forget along with the rest of the world, and MJ explaining why she and Peter can’t be together anymore.

Yes, if read that last paragraph right, the reason why MJ breaks up with Peter is because, ironically, she wanted to forget Peter was Spider-Man along with everyone else. Even though she says more than once that she loves him and acknowledges that she knew full well the risks of getting involved in a relationship with him, she states that it wasn’t until Eddie the Thug threatened her family (as seen in the last issue) that she realized she was also putting them in danger just by being with Peter, and that she can‘t risk the possibility of that happening again if Peter winds up getting unmasked by one of his enemies. Now granted, MJ has been put through a real emotional turmoil what with Peter having revealed his secret identity to the entire world, so it makes perfect sense for her to want to spend time away from Peter as a result. Of course, if Peter’s secret identity is compromised again, it wouldn’t make any difference whether MJ was with Peter or not--anyone even remotely associated with Peter, including MJ’s family, will still be put in danger. And let’s not forget that Peter or MJ wouldn’t even be having this conversation if Marvel hadn’t decided to make Spider-Man do such a forced, out-of-character move of revealing his secret identity to the world during Civil War in the first place. What’s more, considering the position MJ takes, we logically have to ask why would Peter want to be in another relationship since the same dangers would apply to that person. I guess the only woman Peter should hook up with is someone who doesn’t care about their family or doesn’t have a family to worry about, and is someone who Peter can not feel guilty about making them live in ignorance about his double-life as a superhero.

Then comes the “coup de grade” back in the “present day” in which, despite telling Peter that she still loves him, MJ says they can’t be anything more than friends because she’s not “strong enough” and that Peter needs “to find that someone who is and move on.” Never mind the fact that she once again admitted her true feelings for Peter, or that she doesn’t regret the relationship they had, or that she still wants to be a part of his life, or that she even gives him a passionate and romantic kiss--Peter and MJ can’t be a couple because she not “strong enough” to handle it, despite the fact that years and years worth of stories show what complete ******** this really is. Even One More Day made a big point about how Peter and MJ’s love for one another was so great and so powerful that it was enough for Mephisto to have to erase their marriage from existence because of it. Which means that, essentially, MJ actually IS the right person for him and that ANY relationship Peter gets involved in will not only pale in comparison but be doomed to fail.

If that wasn’t enough, we also get Peter, as Spidey, telling himself that because MJ, who he admits is his best friend and “the best person I have ever known,” has let him go, he now “feels free.” Really? Seems like he was pretty free when he contemplated acting on his feelings towards Harry’s fiancée, Lily. Or when he’s been trying to ask Carlie Cooper out on dates. Or when he decided to become the Black Cat’s f*** buddy. To make this even more ham-fisted, once again Quesada has Spidey state that it now feels like a “Brand New Day.” Quesada may be trying to make this come across as bittersweet, but instead it feels smugly triumphant, hoping that his agenda for Spider-Man lasts for the foreseeable future, since One More Day didn’t do a good enough job the first time around like he hoped.

And that’s the real problem with this issue and One Moment in Time overall. This isn’t so much of a story as it is Quesada trying to force his belief about how Spider-Man needs to single and to put him into a position where he can pursue other relationships besides Mary Jane, regardless of how contrived or contradictory it might be since he pretty much failed to do so the first time around. Granted, the retconned explanation as for why Peter and MJ are no longer together would have certainly worked better that Mephisto’s getting involved and probably would have even worked if Peter and MJ were still married and had wound up getting divorced instead. But even so, it’s another example of forced editorial fiat that, at the end of the day, it really is as MJ herself stated, comes off like a “clichéd chick flick.”

http://stillanerd.livejournal.com/2793.html
 
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So Slott's whole story in Avengers: Initiative with the Scarlet Spiders never came into play like Slott swore it would. Ugh..that actually makes me angrier than the actual story itself..was slott lying or did Quesada change things at the last second?
 
Burn Notice is a great show. I came for Bruce, I stayed 'cause I loved it.

And you're 100% right. And when the next editorial mandated reversal comes around, I'll MAYBE start buying new again.

Burn Notice does freakin' own. I can't wait until it starts back up again.
 
Well. I hated the conclusion to OMIT.
I can't believe they are doing this to Spider-Man.
 
Joe Q's art, once again terrible.
I also, am not sure exactly how the mind wiper worked... a magic virus?
 
RE: the finale of OMIT.

I was enjoying the meeting of Dr. Strange, Reed, and Tony (I was hearing Robert Downey Jr.'s voice in my head as I read Tony's lines). The problem was, when Strange came back, he essentially only told Peter to jump in the bubble and he would remember everything. He never told him how it worked, that if Pete unmasked, memories would return. So how does Pete know this?

Unfortnately, the rest of the issue, my sentiments echo stillanerd's, who expressed them eloquently. Joe Q seemed to go out of his way to demonize MJ through this whole arc, then trying to make her seem "heroic" by setting Pete free. And Pete feels a burden lifted? Seriously?

This whole thing was agenda, pure and simple. :cmad: :csad:
 
Stillanerd- Thanks for your summary of the issue! It keeps me from actually having to physically touch it, thus infecting myself with whatever idiot virus this book may carry!! God Bless You!!

That being said, this sounds like a storyline the world could have just done without. I've never been happier NOT to have this book on my pull list. Coming from an uber-Spidey fan, that hurts to say it.:csad:
 
The problem was, when Strange came back, he essentially only told Peter to jump in the bubble and he would remember everything. He never told him how it worked, that if Pete unmasked, memories would return. So how does Pete know this?

I thought the same thing... :o

:csad:

Also, does it also work so that it will make people think otherwise that Peter is Spider-Man? I never read the Sentry stories, nor when Tony used it on himself, so I have no idea if this is how these mind wipes work...
 
I thought the same thing... :o

:csad:

Also, does it also work so that it will make people think otherwise that Peter is Spider-Man? I never read the Sentry stories, nor when Tony used it on himself, so I have no idea if this is how these mind wipes work...

They never explained how they did the Sentry mindwipe, just why. Basically the Sentry and his archnemesis The Void are one and the same. So if Bob Reynolds and everyone else forget he's The Sentry then Void's forgotten. However I feel the Peter Parker mindwipe's less justified since they're taking the same steps to rewire the entire population's brains yet again, it's only being done to protect a handful of people as opposed to the people you're brainwashing. Although I believe Mephisto did a bit of subconscious manipulation on the three people involved since in OMD it was specifically stated that the mindwipe was part of the deal. But even that theory has holes in it since Dr. Strange shouldve caught that.
 
Ok, so in regards to how it should play out...
Mephisto never happened now?
So...
what?
this is so confusing...
OMIT is the new OMD?
It's funny, for the last 3 years, all anyone wanted, me included, was the explanation behind the breakup, Aunt May and the Mind-Wipe.

All the answers completely suck.

there is still the 100 missing days to be accounted for.
Which includes Harry sending letters to Pete, and finally them meeting.
Meeting Carlie, Lily and all the rest for the first time.
 
Well, from previous stories, we know that Peter laid low during those 100 days because he thought everybody was after him for going agaisnt the SHRA... also in that time frame, Harry comes back, helps May build her house, introduces his friend Lily (and her friend Carlie) to Peter...

While we may see some type of "untold tales" during that time frame, I think we all get the gist as to what happened, so do we really need to see these stories?
 
Stillanerd- Thanks for your summary of the issue! It keeps me from actually having to physically touch it, thus infecting myself with whatever idiot virus this book may carry!! God Bless You!!

Thanks, and you're welcome.
 
Ok, so in regards to how it should play out...
Mephisto never happened now?
So...
what?
this is so confusing...
OMIT is the new OMD?


There could always be a third part of the story to bring all answers to a head (like with X-Men, they had Messiah CompleX, Messiah War, and Second Coming to keep the Hope plot going). I read One More Day, haven't read any BND stuff (though a lot of it sounded interesting - it's just a matter of me finding the stuff and willing myself to read it), and I just read a summary of what OMIT was all about, and to me (as an outside to the Spider-Man comics), it sounds like this story could definitely be worked to a final conclusion a few years down the line.

All that really needs to happen is for Peter to realize that MJ is more than just a friend (maybe she gets hurt, making him realize that even if he distances himself from them, people he care about are always going to be in danger), and for them to develop as a couple. Cue Mephisto going "HEY! This isn't what we agreed upon!", and then reveal what MJ had said before the world was turned upside down. Have an epic battle, with Mephisto conceding that if Peter was willing to kill an honest-to-God demon, then the love he has for MJ must be more powerful than he realized, and that no amount of magical meddling would be able to ultimately keep them apart, so he lets them have their love and vanishes. Keep continuity as it is (no need to fudge it up more than it is already), so that everything that happened prior-and-post-OMD is still valid - they just happened on two separate planes of existence of sorts. Then Pete and MJ can sorta start fresh and OMD and OMIT wouldn't have been entirely pointless.
 
That's just it though, They did reveal what she said to him, and it makes absolutely no sense.
Joe Q. has said that he intends to write a 3 part to the OMD/OMIT stories.
It's Pete that wants the relationship with MJ, but MJ doesn't want it.
 
She didn't say "Face it Tiger, this storyline will go nowhere", did she?
 
OMD:
MJ - "Because of what I can offer you"
Mephisto - "And what, pray tell, might that be?"

OMIT:
MJ - "I know Peter. He will never make this deal with you, never, ever-- unless-- I ask him to. But if I do, this is the end of it-- You will leave him alone for the rest of his days."
Mephisto - "Agreed. As far as I'm concerned...This never happened"

OMD:
Peter - "MJ, what did you--
MJ - Isn't time to--
Mephisto - She's right. Time is running out, and yet, only one of you has agreed to my terms"
 
Ok, so in regards to how it should play out...
Mephisto never happened now?
So...
what?
this is so confusing...
OMIT is the new OMD?

It's like Back to the Future. The first time in that movie, Marty's dad is a shlub, the car is wrecked, Doc is shot and killed. The first time through the Spider-Man story, the meeting/deal with Mephisto did happen.

After the incident (Marty's dad stands up to Biff / Mephisto-pigeon releases the fat crook), the timeline is different, In BTTF: Marty's dad is successful, the car is not wrecked, Doc doesn't die. In Spider-Man: Pete saves Aunt May; Dr. Strange, Reed, & Tony cause the mind wipe; and the scene between Pete & MJ discussing Mephisto's deal is replaced with MJ explaining she's upset that Pete wouldn't let her forget he's Spider-Man.


there is still the 100 missing days to be accounted for.
Which includes Harry sending letters to Pete, and finally them meeting.
Meeting Carlie, Lily and all the rest for the first time.

Considering how much things were botched up with OMD/OMIT, I'm for just moving on at this point...
 
anyone else feel that stinging pain across they're face.
YES.

i haven't bought a Spidey comic since Back in Black. I've flipped through some at Borders occasionaly with hope of things being good, but everything since OMD has been nothing but garbage. And this just cements my hatred for the present series and the editorial staff.

I'm praying this will be this century's Clone Saga, and that eventually, (hopefully sooner) someone with common sense and love for the true characters will fix this.
 
anyone else feel that stinging pain across they're face.
YES.

i haven't bought a Spidey comic since Back in Black. I've flipped through some at Borders occasionaly with hope of things being good, but everything since OMD has been nothing but garbage. And this just cements my hatred for the present series and the editorial staff.

I'm praying this will be this century's Clone Saga, and that eventually, (hopefully sooner) someone with common sense and love for the true characters will fix this.
 

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