The Official Pull List Discussion thread

[TheCorpulent1]

New Thunderbolts doesn't count for Genis. I don't know who the **** that dude was, but he wasn't anything like the Genis I knew.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Same for Sentry.

Nah, Genis WAS cool, I'll admit. Definitely way better than anybody else in his family.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

On this we agree. I kind of wish the Sentry'd just stayed in his first mini and that was it. He was a good one-time character, but their shoehorning him into the mainstream comics just hasn't worked as far as I'm concerned.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

He either needs to be rare, or non existant.

I actually liked the character more as a martyr, rather than this person nobody can write.

Unfortunately, like Strange, he's a little too powerful to be written in mainstream comics.

 

[yahman]

-Ultimates 3,New Avengers and Mighty Avengers I took off your list and replaced with Cap,Herc and Hulk.I took out Astonishing since it's done soon and replaced it with X-Factor.

-New Avengers and Mighty Avengers I took out because come on,it's new and mighty avengers

-Ultimates is only 5 issues

I was thinking about getting Warren Ellis's run on Astonoshing, and i do quite enjoy Mighty Avengers ATM.

 

[yahman]

He either needs to be rare, or non existant.

I actually liked the character more as a martyr, rather than this person nobody can write.

Unfortunately, like Strange, he's a little too powerful to be written in mainstream comics.

I agree, his most recent depiction in the WWH serries was the final straw for Sentry, and i think he's ventured into the teritory of 'unwritable'. There are very few earth based UBER characters who can be consistently written well in the Marvel universe. I think this is mainly due to its more realistsic edgy depiction which conflicts with the idea of characters who can sneeze away Solar systems. As you previously stated Id love Sentry; like Thanos or Blackbolt to be a novelty who is only used when he's on his own. He doesn't work in a team where he easilly out powers everyone else , and there's only so many times i can 'buy' the 'holding back' excuse before it makes me want to puke.

 

[Anubis]

I think that's a bulls**t excuse people with no imagination come up with to explain why they have no imagination. There are no unwritable characters, just bad writers, and writers who shouldn't be trying to write outside of their strengths. Bendis, a guy who does Noir and street level stories, should not be writing about a guy like the Sentry. That's why nothing has been done with him, that's why Pak sucks cuz he didn't even attempt to do anything with him. He's just powerful and crazy and that's all anybody ever tries to do with him.

Sentry should never have been a member of the Avengers. They wanted somebody crazy, they shoulda used Genis. he's the fun kinda Crazy and Bendis might have been able to pull it off. (Plus Genis might still be alive.) If you were gonna bring the Sentry back it shoulda been as a solo title. Get him as far away from everybody else as possible. Space. Finding himself. Beating his demons and taking on threats that fit more into his power set. Not sitting on a couch scared to go outside. That's something his alter ego is supposed to do, not the Golden guy with the cape. Unwriteable. pfft. If BKV can't write him, then I'd say he's unwritable. Bendis and Pak failing to do so, well, is pretty much expected.

 

[yahman]

I think that's a bulls**t excuse people with no imagination come up with to explain why they have no imagination. There are no unwritable characters, just bad writers, and writers who shouldn't be trying to write outside of their strengths. Bendis, a guy who does Noir and street level stories, should not be writing about a guy like the Sentry. That's why nothing has been done with him, that's why Pak sucks cuz he didn't even attempt to do anything with him. He's just powerful and crazy and that's all anybody ever tries to do with him.

Sentry should never have been a member of the Avengers. They wanted somebody crazy, they shoulda used Genis. he's the fun kinda Crazy and Bendis might have been able to pull it off. (Plus Genis might still be alive.) If you were gonna bring the Sentry back it shoulda been as a solo title. Get him as far away from everybody else as possible. Space. Finding himself. Beating his demons and taking on threats that fit more into his power set. Not sitting on a couch scared to go outside. That's something his alter ego is supposed to do, not the Golden guy with the cape. Unwriteable. pfft. If BKV can't write him, then I'd say he's unwritable. Bendis and Pak failing to do so, well, is pretty much expected.

So we basically agree then ....

Im not saying is an unwriteable character, numerous uber powerful characters have been written very well, especially by Alan Moore and Grant Morisson. But the scenario that Marvel has placed the Sentry in, has made him basically unwriteable (Maybe even to BKV, although id love to see him try). Uber characters (sometimes) work on D.C. earth, because there are so MANY of them. Hyeprion works really well in the Supreme Powerverse becasue of the nature of that reality.

I think in the context you've placed him in, maybe written by Starlin or Griffen would work really well.

IMO a mini written by Ellis could work really well; especially in a Supreme, Miracle Man esq fashion. But keep Sentry away from the teams !

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Ew, no, keep him away from Ellis. Ellis would just turn him into a half-deconstructed parody of himself.

I agree with Anubis. The only way the Sentry could work on an Earth-based team is if he were on the Defenders or a Marvel equivalent to Morrison/Waid/Kelly's JLA. The kind of team that takes on ridiculously huge threats that could easily destroy the entire planet in the blink of an eye if no one stood against them.

 

[GNR]

Black Summer
End League (delayed until Jan)
Superpowers

All Star Superman
Brave and the Bold
Green Lantern
JSA

Captain America
Daredevil
Fantastic Four (Hitlar)
Hulk
Immortal Iron Fist
Iron Man Director of SHIELD
Incredible Hercules
Punisher War Journal
Thor
Thunderbolts
The Order
The Twelve
Ultimate Human

 

[Anubis]

Ew, no, keep him away from Ellis. Ellis would just turn him into a half-deconstructed parody of himself.

I agree with Anubis. The only way the Sentry could work on an Earth-based team is if he were on the Defenders or a Marvel equivalent to Morrison/Waid/Kelly's JLA. The kind of team that takes on ridiculously huge threats that could easily destroy the entire planet in the blink of an eye if no one stood against them.

I was rereading some of my Morrison JLA trades today, (cuz i'm sick as an effin' dog and got nothing else better to do.) and I gotta tell you, that's how you write a superhero team. I mean, an invasion by freakin' angels, White Martian Invasion? 32nd century doomsday weapon set loose upon the world? This is the sorta s**t that one hero can't handle on their own.

Also, this is effin' cool.

 

[GNR]

I was rereading some of my Morrison JLA trades today, (cuz i'm sick as an effin' dog and got nothing else better to do.) and I gotta tell you, that's how you write a superhero team. I mean, an invasion by freakin' angels, White Martian Invasion? 32nd century doomsday weapon set loose upon the world? This is the sorta s**t that one hero can't handle on their own.

Also, this is effin' cool.

Morrison's JLA had great action,but not alot of re-readable value for me.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I've read that series from Morrison's run through Waid's to Kelly's at least twice now. Some of the best superhero team comics ever.

 

[PhotoJones]

Some of the best plots and action scenes, yeah. I like more character driven stories, though.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, the JLA members pretty much all had their own series to delve into character stuff. Except for J'onn, but Kelly's "Trial by Fire" was about as character-driven as you can get and examined J'onn really well.

 

[PhotoJones]

Weren't you *****ing just the other day about characters not being able to shine within team books?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No, I was *****ing about how Thor's been treated in Avengers. He's usually lacking in really impressive power feats or any sort of deep characterization in there, probably because both of those are kind of expected of his solo title.

I'm not sure how that pertains to the JLA, though. Every one of the JLA characters had some moments to shine in the JLA runs I mentioned, in power or in character or in both. A confused Superman, distraught over his electric power change, stepped up and wrestled a chief angel to a standstill; Aquaman telepathically gave a white Martian seizures with a variation on his "silly ability to control fish"; Kyle beat death by downloading his consciousness into his ring and living in there for millennia; J'onn went bad, cut loose, and nearly killed every other member of the JLA single-handed; Wonder Woman was the consummate warrior time and again; Batman out-thought practically everyone in the universe; and don't even get me started on impressive Flash feats.

 

[PhotoJones]

Fair enough.

And to add, Porter's artwork wasn't too shabby, either.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Quite so. Mike S. Miller did a bunch of fill-in issues that looked great, too. Then there was Hitch and then Mahnke. JLA did not hurt for good art back in those runs.

 

[PhotoJones]

Ooh, I forgot about Hitch's JLA. That might have been one of my favorite runs of his.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The Heaven's Ladder graphic novel from him and Mark Waid was a visual feast. I got Waid to sign mine at a convention, but it got all bent up later because it was huge and I'm bad at packing.

 

[PhotoJones]

That sucks. Is Waid a nice guy?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah. This was just after "Sins Past," and when I asked him about it he was nice enough to not come right out and say it was a god-awful piece of trash. He just smiled and kind of shrugged.

I had him sign a Captain America trade, too. I felt dumb for not bringing any individual issues for people to sign, but it was my first con and I'm just as happy knowing that Waid touched some trades that now sit on my shelf anyway.

 

[PhotoJones]

Wait, so you asked him what he thought about someone else's story? Were you expecting a straight answer?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I guess. He's a freelancer, so it's not like he has to show solidarity with Marvel or anything.